Battlestar Galactica Episode Thread *SPOILERS*

[hairlesswookiee]

i finally watched sunday's episode and it was great. i hope they try to get at least 5 seasons out BSG. it has its ups and downs, but when it gets up there's no going back!!

 

[DouglasMcc]

Well, tonight's the night. The producers have said that this season finale will "change the direction of the show, even more drastically than either of the past 2 season's cliffhangers." I am curious to see how that plays out. It might be a long 9 months til Season 4 begins.

 

[DouglasMcc]

i finally watched sunday's episode and it was great. i hope they try to get at least 5 seasons out BSG. it has its ups and downs, but when it gets up there's no going back!!

The reports I have seen all believe that Moore and Co. plan on ending it after season 4. That might be the reason for the increase from 13 to 22 episodes - i.e. so they do not have to rush the ending.

I really would love a season 5. Maybe they find Earth at the end of season 4 and have to deal with Cylons there in season 5 ... you know, a GOOD version/vision of Galactica 1980

 

[Batty]

I really hope they don't end after season 4. Maybe they'll change their minds. Wasn't The Sopranos originally supposed to be only 3 seasons? And look at it now.

And I read a couple of days ago that the direct to DVD movie will be shown on TV before season 4 starts.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

well i understand the reasoning in tying it all up before the season 4 ender because i hate it when shows drag out for too long and seem limp. (SG-1, X Files)

 

[DouglasMcc]

well i understand the reasoning in tying it all up before the season 4 ender because i hate it when shows drag out for too long and seem limp. (SG-1, X Files)

***cough***LOST***cough***

Sorry, just had to clear my throat...



But, I would be willing to support a Season 5 ... but they NEED to find Earth before the end of S4.

 

[Serpentor]

Holy Crap talk about a show changing ending. I never would have seen any of that comming except Starbuck showing up at the end that was a no brainer.

 

[Darth Caedus]

that episode was fracking crazy. I am sad to say that the spoilers I read were dead on, would have liked to have seen the episode without knowing how it was to turn out, but oh well, great episode nontheless. I still think that the final 5 have been one earth the entire time and we will find them there soon enough. Starbuck, I think, is obviously the last cylon to be revealed, think we can assume that. Plus, with the zoom in and zoom out that they did at the end of the episode, it's safe to say that they are now in the Milky Way Galaxy and near Earth

But the more pressing matter, WTF is up with COMING IN 2008 !!!!!! That is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too far away for the new season. The person who stated the next season release for 2008 must the same person who axed Stargate SG-1, I must find this person NOW !!!!

 

[Serpentor]

Either Starbuck is a cylon or her ship magically never blew up..being a cylon seems more likley of course. Still so many things going on and the wait is going to suck. I hope that season 4 isnt the last season this show is awsome.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Just thought of another question, I have to watch the episode again, but did they explain why all the ships had a power surge? And does anyone think that maybe starbuck might be in lee's mind a la six in baltars?

 

[Darklord Dave]

HOLY FRACKIN' FRACK!

Hey anyone with a theory of who the Cylon was...?" YOU WERE RIGHT!

So either Kara is a Cylon or there's a big reveal of who the final Cylon is. I can see them doing something like having Lee being a visionary like Rosalyn and he's just imagining Kara.

I think 4 being the final season could be okay if it's 22 episodes and really wraps things up.

 

[Batty]

Hell of a way to end the season!

Now that the final five are know (I think Starbuck is), I think they may actually be there to help the humans rather than destroy them. Who would have thought Bob Dylan would activate them?

I now see the show ending with season four. With them being so close to Earth, where else could it go?

 

[Darth Caedus]

Wonder if Mr. Bob Dylan's song can shed some hidden light on the episode

All Along The Watch Tower

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

 

[Serpentor]

I think there is more they could do maybe not another 3 seasons but I think a 5th wouldnt hurt. Unless they resolve the Cylon threat completley within season 4.

 

[Batty]

Wonder if Mr. Bob Dylan's song can shed some hidden light on the episode

I'm thinking it's not so much about the lyrics having meaning (although the first two lines are appropriate). I think it was just a transmission from Earth. And Kira's been to Earth... Maybe all five are from there. Or are there.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Hmm, based on the song - perhaps they get to earth next season and then a new series starts - Galactica 1960!

 

[hairlesswookiee]

And does anyone think that maybe starbuck might be in lee's mind a la six in baltars?

i only managed to catch the last 20 minutes last night, but thats the first thing i thought.

 

[DouglasMcc]

Okay, either no one noticed it ...or no one felt it was important enough to mention it. However, Kara was in an old school 1st generation Battlestar Galactica Viper, not a modern Viper. I highly doubt Lee would imagine/vision Starbuck in the old Viper. I believe she is real and has been to Earth. This would work with either possibility - A.) she's a Cylon or B.) she was "transported" away from the ship. In fact, I believe the Viper came from Earth. I think a lot of us are assuming that Earth in the show will be like Earth here and now - similar to BSG 1980. However, it doesn't have to be. It could be a fully realized colony/planet with defenses and such of their own.

Another thought I had was ... what if the Final 5 Cylon models followed the 13th tribe's markers and made it to Earth. What if they either A.) admitted who they were and worked to help modernize Earth to Colonial level or B.) hide in wait - not necessarily in a sinister way - and subtly influenced society in fear/anticipation that their more warlike "brothers/sisters" would one day find their way to Earth? Think about it, BSG has always been about the grey ... they never characterized Baltar as the stereotypical "handle-bar mustache" villain present in the original show. He was an arrogant man with flaws and a survival instinct ... but he has yet to do anything "evil". They have characterized humanity in the same way, neither good nor bad, but both - in the grey. For every Admiral Cain who felt that violence was the only way, there has been a Lee Adama, who wanted a more "humane" approach. Well, wouldn't it tie this whole show together so well if the Cylons were the same way - one group that wants to whip out mankind, another who wants to co-exist? The opening credits preach every episode that "the Cylons were created by man." Well, lets look at it this way then - Man created machine, and man is imperfect. Well, then it is rational to assume that machine is imperfect. They have already proven that they possess the same emotions - love, anger, etc. Why couldn't the final 5 make the same decision that Sharon made, to live peacefully with man. Oh ... I am so looking forward to next year now

 

[Darth Caedus]

Okay, either no one noticed it ...or no one felt it was important enough to mention it. However, Kara was in an old school 1st generation Battlestar Galactica Viper, not a modern Viper. I highly doubt Lee would imagine/vision Starbuck in the old Viper. I believe she is real and has been to Earth. This would work with either possibility - A.) she's a Cylon or B.) she was "transported" away from the ship. In fact, I believe the Viper came from Earth. I think a lot of us are assuming that Earth in the show will be like Earth here and now - similar to BSG 1980. However, it doesn't have to be. It could be a fully realized colony/planet with defenses and such of their own.

Another thought I had was ... what if the Final 5 Cylon models followed the 13th tribe's markers and made it to Earth. What if they either A.) admitted who they were and worked to help modernize Earth to Colonial level or B.) hide in wait - not necessarily in a sinister way - and subtly influenced society in fear/anticipation that their more warlike "brothers/sisters" would one day find their way to Earth? Think about it, BSG has always been about the grey ... they never characterized Baltar as the stereotypical "handle-bar mustache" villain present in the original show. He was an arrogant man with flaws and a survival instinct ... but he has yet to do anything "evil". They have characterized humanity in the same way, neither good nor bad, but both - in the grey. For every Admiral Cain who felt that violence was the only way, there has been a Lee Adama, who wanted a more "humane" approach. Well, wouldn't it tie this whole show together so well if the Cylons were the same way - one group that wants to whip out mankind, another who wants to co-exist? The opening credits preach every episode that "the Cylons were created by man." Well, lets look at it this way then - Man created machine, and man is imperfect. Well, then it is rational to assume that machine is imperfect. They have already proven that they possess the same emotions - love, anger, etc. Why couldn't the final 5 make the same decision that Sharon made, to live peacefully with man. Oh ... I am so looking forward to next year now

Pretty much agree with everything you said. I DID NOT notice the type of Viper Starbuck was flying, but your explanation of it does make sense. I can see her somehow being transported through the spinning cloud thing she was flying into before her ship exploded, being transported to earth, and flying an old viper out to where the humans and cylons both were in the milky way galaxy. I also think that the final 5 cylons found earth a LONG time ago and are awaiting the rest of the human/cylon race to find it. About the grey area, that's why I love the show so much, it's so real. In real life there is no black and white, but there is always grey. The cylons do have a plan, and I think that plan is to be more human, even though they hate humans, great irony there. Suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility for a child (the cylons) to want to be like their parents (the humans), can't wait for how the new season will pan out.

Pretty interesting article I found with Moore.

https://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm

 

[screamingmetal]

Warning Spoilers below!
Holy s#!t that was good. I'm soooo glad I didn't read any spoilers, I was tempted but knew better.
I can't wait to see how Tigh deals with this revelation. But I'm confused, I thought Cylons can't have kids, doesn't Galen Tyrol have a kid with Cally?
I think there's much more to the final 6 being kept hidden from the other Cylons then it just being ultra secrecy and deniability. I think these 6 Cylons are not at all like the regular Cylons in the series so far. 2008 is too damn far off!