**Beware SPOILERS** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Disney+ **Beware SPOILERS**

[Asta]

 

[jye4ever]

I think it's a mixture of both (half-assing it *and* bad filmmaking. But I don't do brevity, so this post will be of no use to you.

The half-assing it comes in the form of not being able to develop an original storyline, and just going with the tired trope of "adult character down on his luck or missing something spends time protecting young kid who helps him gain perspective, personal growth, and wisdom." It's from the same playbook for writing character narratives as Rebels/Mando/Bad Batch. There's also half-assing it in the form of either not learning the established lore, or just ignoring it out of laziness.

The mix of half-assing and bad filmmaking comes in the form of a staggering number of plot conveniences. Same goes for there being very little that is ever earned in this series. Some examples:

• Reva suspects that Owen Lars knows about a Jedi fugitive and asks him some threatening questions. Reva later encounters a guy she also suspects knows about a Jedi fugitive but mind probes him. And it works. Why the inconsistency? Not clear (but it's because Owen knows where Kenobi is and the plot can't have that discovered yet).

• Reva knows Bail will call on Kenobi because those two used to work together. Why Bail and not one of the dozens of other senate associates of Kenobi (like Jar Jar or Mothma)? Not clear (but it's because Bail is Leia's father and the plot needs that).

• Obi-Wan goes from barely being able to move a tiny scrap with the Force to holding the ocean back while being distracted by stormtroopers in that very same episode. What caused the shift? Not clear (but it's because the same people who wanted a reflective story of a Jedi suffering effects of PTSD also want to have heroic "cool" scenes with the same Jedi in the same episode).

• Vader starts a fire and lifts Kenobi from the other side of that fire with the Force. He then extinguishes the fire to toss the one man he wants revenge against more than any living being. Fire starts again and Vader is rendered useless as Kenobi escapes *very slowly.* Why? Not clear (but it's because... aw screw it; it's because the writing sucks).

Actually on your first example she probed Owen in that loud boisterous threatening theatrical manner because she needed to get a message across to the town versus probing the one guy in a dark alley no theatrics needed she just went straight for the mind probe.

Also remember with Owen she was in the company of the other inquisitors and as much as she wanted it their mission was not Obi-Wan so the threatening theatrics for the town was sufficient enough.

In the alley she took advantage of being alone and went straight for the mind probe!

By the time she got to the alley on that planet she was already in full on backstabbing the other inquisitors mode where with Owen she was still not full Reva!

Besides it lead to my favorite exchange….

“REEEEEEEVAaaaaa!!”

 

[Bleah]

Enough of this -- LOOK! Puppies!

 

[Wor-Gar]

The lone survivor, hiding...

 

[Asta]

The lone survivor, hiding...

I don't know if I should be laughing or not though.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's... Reva.

 

[Bleah]

It's... Reva.

I'd imagine her to be this. Attitude seems to check as well.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Actually on your first example she probed Owen in that loud boisterous threatening theatrical manner because she needed to get a message across to the town versus probing the one guy in a dark alley no theatrics needed she just went straight for the mind probe.

Also remember with Owen she was in the company of the other inquisitors and as much as she wanted it their mission was not Obi-Wan so the threatening theatrics for the town was sufficient enough.

In the alley she took advantage of being alone and went straight for the mind probe!

By the time she got to the alley on that planet she was already in full on backstabbing the other inquisitors mode where with Owen she was still not full Reva!

Besides it lead to my favorite exchange….

“REEEEEEEVAaaaaa!!”

The townspeople heard her speech and got to witness her cutting that one lady's hand off. Point made; theatrics delivered. Then when nobody offered info to spare Owen's life, she doesn't leave without saying, "next time, Owen." Which would be fine if we didn't learn that she can probe minds with relative ease in the very next episode. Why bother with a next time?

Probing someone's mind out in public could end up being as intimidating anyway. If you're hiding something and know she can do that, you might start blurting out whatever it is so as not to be punished for withholding info if she probes your mind next.

And the very next scene is her and the Inquisitor with the salad bowl on his head where she says, "I'm sick of wasting time!" Well, you know what a good way to stop wasting time would be? What she did to save time in the alley during the very next episode.

But yeah, “REEEEEEEVAaaaaa!!” was hilarious. I'll give you that.

 

[Khev]

Yes, it's shown that the Darksaber requires a clear mind to wield effectively. It's heavy and awkward to swing. Cuts fine though. Even in Mando's hands.
He struggles to swing it, but it still cuts very well. Doesn't hit like a blunt object.
That's all about handling, not about how effective the blade is at cutting.
Assuming normal lightsabers are the same, Obi-Wan being rusty just means he'd swing awkwardly but it'd cut fine.

And yet they don't always "cut fine," and that's going as far back as ESB and ROTJ. Heck on top of the barge Luke even swings it at a Gammorean Guard and knocks the rifle out of his hands without even cutting the rifle. So the laziness shown in that sequence obviously wasn't just about toning down the violence.

So you either accept that lightsaber cutting is internally inconsistent from film to film and hold it against all the movies or you string together a common pattern shown on screen as a way of explaining it for all. I prefer the latter. Holding it against the Obi-Wan show while giving it a free pass in the OT and PT is silly IMO.

You can accept that a wielder's "mental state" (regardless of whether they know the Force) can literally change the very weight of the weapon in your hands but for some reason it's too ridiculous to allow for that same mental state to explain the decades old inconsistency in how much damage they do?

Okay, have your double standards, whatever works for you...

But at least my explanation covers all the movies without me having to turn a blind eye to one or willfully give a free pass to another.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

And yet they don't always "cut fine," and that's going as far back as ESB and ROTJ. Heck on top of the barge Luke even swings it at a Gammorean Guard and knocks the rifle out of his hands without even cutting the rifle. So the laziness shown in that sequence obviously wasn't just about toning down the violence.

So you either accept that lightsaber cutting is internally inconsistent from film to film and hold it against all the movies or you string together a common pattern shown on screen as a way of explaining it for all. I prefer the latter. Holding it against the Obi-Wan show while giving it a free pass in the OT and PT is silly IMO.

You can accept that a wielder's "mental state" (regardless of whether they know the Force) can literally change the very weight of the weapon in your hands but for somehow it's just too ridiculous to allow for that same mental state to explain the decades old inconsistency in how much damage they do?

Okay, have your double standards, whatever works for you. But at least my explanation covers all the movies without me having to turn a blind eye to one or willfully give a free pass to another.

Can you have a debate without making snippy comments?

Yes, lightsabers have been a bit inconsistent (particularly the OT) but there's no onscreen evidence that lightsaber blades stop working as cutting tools depending on the mental state of the wielder.
The idea that a lightsaber becomes heavier due to wielder emotions/mental state, is only applied directly, as shown onscreen, for the darksaber. Technically we don't know if that rule applies to all lightsabers.
I can just about buy that (though I find it very sus), but the blade suddenly not be able to cut things is silly.
Lucas didn't film people being chopped to pieces in ROTJ. This was likely because he didn't want it to be overly violent.
The bleeding arm in ANH. Yep that one is dodgy but it was thd first movie lightsabers ever appear.
Vader not having his shoulder sliced. That I assume is more to do with Vaders armour than Lukes blade now being ineffective because Luke isn't focused or whatever.
You don't have to get so defensive and rude just because someone disagrees with your fan theory trying to give an in universe explanation for an issue caused by real world reasons.

 

[Otomofan]

Intimidating enough to make a grown man soil his pants.

Almost as intimidating as an elementary school substitute teacher.

 

[Khev]

Can you have a debate without making snippy comments?

Dang it, I don't mean to be. I'm just so annoyed with the new Jurassic World that I should probably just wait a while before posting anything. Lightsabers can do whatever you want, it's all good, lol.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

Dang it, I don't mean to be. I'm just so annoyed with the new Jurassic World that I should probably just wait a while before posting anything. Lightsabers can do whatever you want, it's all good, lol.

No worries. We're here because we're passionate fans who care about this stuff, and it's OK to disagree.
Even though I'm not entirely convinced by your theory, it is quite a clever explanation to make sense of the dodgy lightsaber inconsistencies.
I saw your comment on the JW thread. Damn shame about that movie. I didn't like Fallen Kingdom very much but hoped Dominion would end the new trilogy with a bang.
Watching Jurassic Park 2 on UK TV right now as it happens.

 

[a-dev]

Watching Jurassic Park 2 on UK TV right now as it happens.

Found it......but Titanic is on on FilmFourplus1.......

 

[jye4ever]

And yet they don't always "cut fine," and that's going as far back as ESB and ROTJ. Heck on top of the barge Luke even swings it at a Gammorean Guard and knocks the rifle out of his hands without even cutting the rifle. So the laziness shown in that sequence obviously wasn't just about toning down the violence.

So you either accept that lightsaber cutting is internally inconsistent from film to film and hold it against all the movies or you string together a common pattern shown on screen as a way of explaining it for all. I prefer the latter. Holding it against the Obi-Wan show while giving it a free pass in the OT and PT is silly IMO.

You can accept that a wielder's "mental state" (regardless of whether they know the Force) can literally change the very weight of the weapon in your hands but for some reason it's too ridiculous to allow for that same mental state to explain the decades old inconsistency in how much damage they do?

Okay, have your double standards, whatever works for you...

But at least my explanation covers all the movies without me having to turn a blind eye to one or willfully give a free pass to another.

Exactly how TLJ Luke was unjustly criticized.

Half blinded to the entire plot.

 

[Khev]

No worries. We're here because we're passionate fans who care about this stuff, and it's OK to disagree.
Even though I'm not entirely convinced by your theory, it is quite a clever explanation to make sense of the dodgy lightsaber inconsistencies.
I saw your comment on the JW thread. **** shame about that movie. I didn't like Fallen Kingdom very much but hoped Dominion would end the new trilogy with a bang.
Watching Jurassic Park 2 on UK TV right now as it happens.

And let me say that I do recognize that some "out of story" explanations for the inconsistencies are more tolerable than others (being charitable toward George if he briefly changed something to avoid some uncharacteristic gore, etc., vs. being inconsistent due to incompetence or laziness if that's how you see Obi-Wan.)

And I also recognize that Obi-Wan is just a **** show straight across the board when it comes to continuity with the films and that me defending the one single scene where he bashes on the Stormies probably seems pretty silly. But it just so happened to coincide with a theory that I've had for many years after trying to explain Luke bashing Jabba's guards so I ran with it.

I know we don't agree on a lot of the Disney SW stuff but you're a cool guy and I know you're a longtime fan like me and I'm definitely aware that my silly apologist/head canon is no more valid than anyone else's, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

My wife yells at our son so much I regret not naming him Reva now.

 

[jye4ever]

I’m surprised that TM’s recent comment that he wants the old bad ass Fett back is not getting as much traction here as I thought it would.

It’s never too late lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

Need that on a hat, Jye:

Make Boba Badass Again

MBBA

 

[TaliBane]

I never said you, or anyone else, couldn't voice your opinions.

I think it's a waste of time but, as I said before, to each their own.

Edit:

Let me clarify; it's not a waste of time to voice an opinion. I do think it's a waste of time to repeatedly complain about a show one supposedly dislikes yet continue to watch it weekly. Having said that, y'all do you. It makes no nevermind to me.

But then you also post this a few days ago (one posting example, but it is a repeated theme)....

I thought this episode was a good one with a couple of moments but overall it was entertaining to me despite what the pretentious entertainment intellectuals in this thread say.

To reiterate - so long as they stay within the rules - let people not like it, and repeatedly return as much as they want to discuss how much they don't like it - aka "repeatedly complain about a show one supposedly dislikes" (as if in society we shouldn't discuss things we dislike.)

And don't mock them for it. Coming from a mod, even if framed in semi-jest, that posting above has more weight than from a regular member.

It infers stfu and gtfo - and paired with certain "some people don't like the new neighbors"-in-Disney-SW type comments (as lazy and insulting to forum members as they are unfounded, yet not deleted), it says to Freaks newbies: "like it or else" (...like it or you're a racist, like it or you'll get edited, deleted or maybe banned.)

Many of the people who don't like or are in the middle on this show know more about SW - and are better at expressing interesting, detailed perspectives on it - than you and I combined. It's one of the things that makes this forum SO engaging.

I get that policing conduct is a huge job and complicated in terms of expressing personal views, but don't suppress that discussion because you think it's stupid they're taking so much (of their...) time to do that (...contributing to this forum) This type of posting activity is a huge asset to this forum and SW generally.

Restrict it to "I love this show - everyone who agrees, let's discuss!" - or strongly infer that's how you as a mod would prefer it - and the forum becomes less, even if it subjectively feels better for you.