**Beware SPOILERS** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Disney+ **Beware SPOILERS**

[jaztermareal]

Youre thinking that this would be okay, if it were a show written by adults and for an adult audience. Hell, we could say that about the Kenobi show.

I have zero expectations that this will happen.

Hence the latter part of my comment. I have no hope left to give to disneywars

 

[loki2371]

So now as fans we're coming up with reasons for Disney as to why a lightsaber would bounce off of the Stormtroopers armor!?! Channelling the Force? Seriously?

FFS people... Just read that crap out loud to yourself a few times. And then realize how stupid it sounds.

Disney's mind control has begun. Resist you must.

Its bad enough Disney already created their own rules as to the different lightsaber Blade colors.

 

[Khev]

Or, perhaps if Disney could hire decent writers and replace the story group with competent people you would not have to make up answers to plot holes.


One can dream.

Yes we can dream. But in the meantime I'm just enjoying the fact that I'm living in a world that has new SW movies and shows to watch that feature the likes of Ewan Kenobi, JEJ Vader, young post-ROTJ Luke and a ton of fun moments like Mando and Cobb fighting a Krayt Dragon, Fett riding a rancor against an army of pykes, and a younger Kenobi swinging his saber and fighting off OT Stormies and cool new droids to protect an absolutely spot on kid Leia.

Then there's all these unexpected little treats like Tala, Edgerton killing it as a younger Owen, Ahsoka translating well to live-action, and that's just the Disney+ stuff. In a perfect world every new episode would be ESB quality with modern visuals but as far as I'm concerned life is too short to not be enjoying what we have now. Even the "lame" stuff is almost always entertaining due to the lolz and commentary here.

And has often been repeated we've been taking the bad with the good all the way since 1983 and you can throw in the HS and Ewok movies as well and if I've learned anything from the past four decades it's that yes great SW is something truly special but bad SW can also be a hell of a lot of fun.

After 1983 I never thought I'd ever see any new SW, and certainly not on the level of say RO or the best moments we've gotten from Mando to now so everything from then on has been gravy and certainly more than worth my measly 8 bucks a month for Disney+.

 

[Khev]

Also after watching the latest episode again I don't know why I was thinking that they showed the snowspeeder fly into space, lol. They clearly dock with the transport in the clouds well before leaving the planet's atmosphere.

 

[Khev]

So now as fans we're coming up with reasons for Disney as to why a lightsaber would bounce off of the Stormtroopers armor!?! Channelling the Force? Seriously?

Okay then why don't you tell us the reason that George Lucas had Luke's saber just knocking all of Jabba's guards around like it was a wiffle ball bat and not slicing into any of them, lol. The inconsistency of lightsaber cutting is hardly a Disney thing.

 

[e30ernest]

Yeah, good for children.

While the shows were aimed towards children, they were also mostly enjoyed by adults too. So I see this as a chance for the next episodes to have a wider appeal.

 

[greygoose]

Man I really hope these last two episodes are good but if those leaks are true then …. I’ll even be a bit mad. Cause honestly that would be silly.

Can someone please tell me the leaks for the last two episodes. Thanks!

 

[a-dev]

Okay then why don't you tell us the reason that George Lucas had Luke's saber just knocking all of Jabba's guards around like it was a wiffle ball bat and not slicing into any of them, lol. The inconsistency of lightsaber cutting is hardly a Disney thing.

True. The lightsaber has always been inconsistently portrayed in its cutting power.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

If lightsaber cutting ability depends on the Jedi/Sith using and channelling the Force correctly, how can Din Djarin, a non Force user, cut people in half with the Darksaber? Or Han easily slice open the belly of a Tauntaun?
Luke baseball batting Jabba's guards in ROTJ is probably down to 1980's limitations.
Kenobi is just badly made.
At least when Luke hit people, yes they didn't get cut apart or limb cut off, but at least they fell over dead in 1 swing.
Unlike in Kenobi where sparks fly but it takes a good couple of swings from a lightsaber bat. I blame the director myself. She's done a pretty bad job with this series.

 

[a-dev]

At least when Luke hit people, yes they didn't get cut apart or limb cut off, but at least they fell over dead in 1 swing.
Unlike in Kenobi where sparks fly but it takes a good couple of swings from a lightsaber bat.

That's also true. *looks back at khev*

 

[chrisstbh]

If lightsaber cutting ability depends on the Jedi/Sith using and channelling the Force correctly, how can Din Djarin, a non Force user, cut people in half with the Darksaber? Or Han easily slice open the belly of a Tauntaun?
Luke baseball batting Jabba's guards in ROTJ is probably down to 1980's limitations.
Kenobi is just badly made.
At least when Luke hit people, yes they didn't get cut apart or limb cut off, but at least they fell over dead in 1 swing.
Unlike in Kenobi where sparks fly but it takes a good couple of swings from a lightsaber bat. I blame the director myself. She's done a pretty bad job with this series.

Stormtrooper armour is literally glorified plastic in universe lol, no reason it shouldn’t slice them like butter.

It’s partly due to them using actual LED blades in the lightsabers now instead of a thin carbon fibre rod. They’re heavier and they bounce off whatever they impact. Sure them casting light is cool but I’m sure a multi billion dollar company can figure out another solution to that.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

Stormtrooper armour is literally glorified plastic in universe lol, no reason it shouldn’t slice them like butter.

It’s partly due to them using actual LED blades in the lightsabers now instead of a thin carbon fibre rod. They’re heavier and they bounce off whatever they impact. Sure them casting light is cool but I’m sure a multi billion dollar company can figure out another solution to that.

I'm not a fan of the new LED blades. They light up the actor and scene well, looks nice, but the blade itself looks off somehow. Like the blade is just too thick.
That and apparently makes it bounce off objects. I'd rather they did it the old way.

 

[darth dennis]

Yes we can dream. But in the meantime I'm just enjoying the fact that I'm living in a world that has new SW movies and shows to watch that feature the likes of Ewan Kenobi, JEJ Vader, young post-ROTJ Luke and a ton of fun moments like Mando and Cobb fighting a Krayt Dragon, Fett riding a rancor against an army of pykes, and a younger Kenobi swinging his saber and fighting off OT Stormies and cool new droids to protect an absolutely spot on kid Leia.

Then there's all these unexpected little treats like Tala, Edgerton killing it as a younger Owen, Ahsoka translating well to live-action, and that's just the Disney+ stuff. In a perfect world every new episode would be ESB quality with modern visuals but as far as I'm concerned life is too short to not be enjoying what we have now. Even the "lame" stuff is almost always entertaining due to the lolz and commentary here.

And has often been repeated we've been taking the bad with the good all the way since 1983 and you can throw in the HS and Ewok movies as well and if I've learned anything from the past four decades it's that yes great SW is something truly special but bad SW can also be a hell of a lot of fun.

After 1983 I never thought I'd ever see any new SW, and certainly not on the level of say RO or the best moments we've gotten from Mando to now so everything from then on has been gravy and certainly more than worth my measly 8 bucks a month for Disney+.

This is spot on and word for word captured my thoughts on all of this. Does Leia outrunning the bassist for the Chili Peppers seem a little silly? No more so than Chewie swinging on a vine with a couple of Ewoks and a Tarzan bellow. I wonder what it would've been like to watch ANH in 1977 as a 40 or 50 year old? I have to assume that some of the same criticisms that hit these threads on anything post OT would've been levied against ANH. I don't know any 80 year old die-hard Star Wars fans. I am sure they are out there, but my point is that viewing the OT through adolescent eyes has given it a mystic quality and impossible legacy to uphold in many people's eye. Like you said, I'm glad to be living in a world with new Star Wars content. The good is great to see and the bad makes these forums pretty awesome...most of the time

 

[Darth Snoopy]

True. The lightsaber has always been inconsistently portrayed in its cutting power.

Yup.

ANH showed Pond Baba's arm with blood...

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But ESB showed Luke's wrist was instantly cauterized when Vader laid the smack down.

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Lucas probably didn't want to traumatize the audience with a fountain of blood.

 

[e30ernest]

I'm not a fan of the new LED blades. They light up the actorcand scene well, looks nice, but the blade itself looks off somehow. Like the blade I just too thick.
That and apparently makes it bounce of objects, rather they did it the old way.

Yeah I agree with this. The current blades look a bit toyish. The lighting is great though all around it. Hopefully down the road they can manage to light up a thinner version of the blade for lighting, and then redo the blade itself in just CG. The sabers here are not perfect either but I prefer them:

 

[The Buffinator]

So now as fans we're coming up with reasons for Disney as to why a lightsaber would bounce off of the Stormtroopers armor!?! Channelling the Force? Seriously?

Okay then why don't you tell us the reason that George Lucas had Luke's saber just knocking all of Jabba's guards around like it was a wiffle ball bat and not slicing into any of them, lol. The inconsistency of lightsaber cutting is hardly a Disney thing.

If lightsaber cutting ability depends on the Jedi/Sith using and channelling the Force correctly, how can Din Djarin, a non Force user, cut people in half with the Darksaber? Or Han easily slice open the belly of a Tauntaun?
Luke baseball batting Jabba's guards in ROTJ is probably down to 1980's limitations.
Kenobi is just badly made.
At least when Luke hit people, yes they didn't get cut apart or limb cut off, but at least they fell over dead in 1 swing.
Unlike in Kenobi where sparks fly but it takes a good couple of swings from a lightsaber bat. I blame the director myself. She's done a pretty bad job with this series.

That's also true. *looks back at khev*

 

[a-dev]

Yes we can dream. But in the meantime I'm just enjoying the fact that I'm living in a world that has new SW movies and shows to watch that feature the likes of Ewan Kenobi, JEJ Vader, young post-ROTJ Luke and a ton of fun moments like Mando and Cobb fighting a Krayt Dragon, Fett riding a rancor against an army of pykes, and a younger Kenobi swinging his saber and fighting off OT Stormies and cool new droids to protect an absolutely spot on kid Leia.

Then there's all these unexpected little treats like Tala, Edgerton killing it as a younger Owen, Ahsoka translating well to live-action, and that's just the Disney+ stuff. In a perfect world every new episode would be ESB quality with modern visuals but as far as I'm concerned life is too short to not be enjoying what we have now. Even the "lame" stuff is almost always entertaining due to the lolz and commentary here.

And has often been repeated we've been taking the bad with the good all the way since 1983 and you can throw in the HS and Ewok movies as well and if I've learned anything from the past four decades it's that yes great SW is something truly special but bad SW can also be a hell of a lot of fun.

After 1983 I never thought I'd ever see any new SW, and certainly not on the level of say RO or the best moments we've gotten from Mando to now so everything from then on has been gravy and certainly more than worth my measly 8 bucks a month for Disney+.

This is spot on and word for word captured my thoughts on all of this. Does Leia outrunning the bassist for the Chili Peppers seem a little silly? No more so than Chewie swinging on a vine with a couple of Ewoks and a Tarzan bellow. I wonder what it would've been like to watch ANH in 1977 as a 40 or 50 year old? I have to assume that some of the same criticisms that hit these threads on anything post OT would've been levied against ANH. I don't know any 80 year old die-hard Star Wars fans. I am sure they are out there, but my point is that viewing the OT through adolescent eyes has given it a mystic quality and impossible legacy to uphold in many people's eye. Like you said, I'm glad to be living in a world with new Star Wars content. The good is great to see and the bad makes these forums pretty awesome...most of the time

My position is one where I neither need new Star Wars enough to be willing to accept whatever they throw at us nor am I casual enough in my fandom to accept whatever they throw at us.

So I guess that translates as 'do it well, or not at all'.

 

[Khev]

If lightsaber cutting ability depends on the Jedi/Sith using and channelling the Force correctly, how can Din Djarin, a non Force user, cut people in half with the Darksaber? Or Han easily slice open the belly of a Tauntaun?

Okay this has now been addressed multiples times but I'll repeat myself again just for you.

Lightsabers and Darksabers apparently require a certain mental state (whether it be belief/faith/confidence--take your pick) when using them regardless of whether the user is proficient in the Force or not.

Moff Gideon, a non-Force using weakling, was able to swing the Darksaber around with ease during his duel with Din Djarin. On the flipside Din Djarin a physically fit lifelong warrior could only use the Darksaber for a few short strokes before its heaviness made it almost unusable. The Armor called out his mental focus and chastised him for "fighting the blade instead of his opponent."

In Rebels Kanan gave Sabine (also a non-Force user) similar instructions when he had a lightsaber and she had a Darksaber so apparently the two weapons operate with a similar philosophy.

We know from Yoda that personal faith/confidence is critical to properly use the Force ("I don't believe it/That is why you fail") so it makes sense that faith and confidence would be required to properly use the weapon of a Jedi as well.

I'm sure Han Solo assumed that the lightsaber could easily cut through the Tauntaun so it did.

Somebody posted a gif of Finn stabbing a Stormtrooper clean through his armor the first time he held one. Well we know from TPM that a lightsaber is more potent when used to stab than when slashing. Qui Gon easily penetrated the double blast shield door at the beginning of the movie but if it was equally potent as a slashing weapon then he could have just carved a big circle in the door and stepped through. But he didn't. The stab was easy, getting to move the saber around when embedded in such thick metal wasn't.

Luke baseball batting Jabba's guards in ROTJ is probably down to 1980's limitations.

That's obviously false. Many films prior to 1983 (Samurai/horror/etc.) showed people getting dismembered with swords. Hell Parker knocked Ash's head off with a freaking fire extinguisher in ALIEN almost half a decade prior. The technology was obviously available to show guards getting cut up (or at the very least tight shots of Luke swinging the saber and then cut to dismembered guards) but the most sensible explanation was that George simply didn't want up the MPAA rating.

Kenobi is just badly made.
At least when Luke hit people, yes they didn't get cut apart or limb cut off, but at least they fell over dead in 1 swing.

No they didn't. Luke knocked multiple guards into the Sarlacc Pit with his saber and you heard them screaming all the way down.

Unlike in Kenobi where sparks fly but it takes a good couple of swings from a lightsaber bat.

Yep and Kenobi has clearly been shown to be rusty, off his game, and second guessing himself. So the lethality of his blade has been very consistent with teachings from Yoda, Kanan, and the Armorer.

 

[Khev]

My position is one where I neither need new Star Wars enough to be willing to accept whatever they throw at us nor am I casual enough in my fandom to accept whatever they throw at us.

So I guess that translates as 'do it well, or not at all'.

"Accept whatever they throw at us."

That is such an overused and disingenuous claim that more often than not is simply stated to disparage people who like something that you don't and I'm bummed to see you following others down that road.

"My opinions are so valid and tastes so discriminating that if I like something, it's because it's worthy and good. But if you like something that I don't then it's because you accept whatever is thrown at you. Or because you eat up anything with a Star Wars label tacked onto it."

I don't think anyone here just "accepts whatever they throw at us."

And I'd be shocked to learn that you don't have a single guilty pleasure, not one movie or show where you know it could have been better, or you know it's outright bad, but for some reason you still like it whether it's due to the aesthetics, tone, unintentional comedy, or just some hard to describe "charm" that transcends its weaknesses. If so then you your "do it well or not at all" criteria isn't universal.

 

[Asta]