**Beware SPOILERS** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Disney+ **Beware SPOILERS**

[ScoutingForToys]

I’ll have to go back and read everyone else’s thoughts.


The series as a whole is ok

The story itself was pointless and full of dumbness

Vader stuff was all done pretty well.
I like that shot of Vaders helmet being cracked and the dialogue between Ben and Vader at that moment.

All action scenes were pretty poorly directed

I still can’t get past how pointless the story felt and how out of step it was with the ot storyline

6 out of 10

Pretty much how I feel about it. Didn't hate the show but found most of it lacklustre. It has some really good moments but too many dumb moments and flaws with other aspects that overshadow the good stuff somewhat.
The poor direction, cheap appearance of everything and the overall pointlessness of the story is what let's this down the most.

 

[JAWS]

Yeah. I find that I can pretty much hand wave anything to fit but the harder the hand wave the more I need to love the overall product to justify such efforts.

Right now I'm on the fence with Kenobi leaning toward ignoring it so the finale will have to really be something special to justify all that has come so far.

Even I I detach it from the OT and see it only as an extension of the PT it's still surprisingly lacking in many areas.

This

 

[THE dAY]

Loved this series, the lightsaber scenes wow! The fighting, the sabers themselves, and their reflections were done so good.

I'm an old guy who grew up with the original three movies. Ofcourse the digital tech/CGI has improved. When I saw Phantom Menace, the lightsaber scenes looked like a musical with all the twirling, backflips and dancing around, I remember being so turned off lol.
This Kenobi Vader fight was what I've always wanted.

 

[JAWS]

There had to be a million other ways to get Obi wan off that planet without it being Leia.

But nope. For whatever reason, anything not called RO wants to **** around with the OT and mess up the established story and characters.

 

[JAWS]

Vader/Obi-Wan final duel and Obi-Wan's goodbye to Leia are some of the best SW we've gotten since the OT.

"Do you want to meet him/Hello there" is also absolute top shelf.

While I understand what you saying here

The PT needed something to connect it to the OT and while RO and Solo were noble efforts they were still mostly just extensions of the OT. This finale almost perfectly straddled the line between PT and OT (quite literally during the broken mask Vader scenes) to the point where I no longer feel that there is such a severe disconnect between the two trilogies.

Seriously, watch ROTS and then the OWK finale (and then continue right on with RO or ANH if you want) to see what I mean.

i get what you are saying for sure. And the Vader Obi wan stuff does that. But there is too much crap in the series that ruins it from being a true gap filler.

The show should have just been about Obi wan and Vader. All other OT and PT characters needed to stay out of the show.

 

[Khev]

There had to be a million other ways to get Obi wan off that planet without it being Leia.

Really? I think that the one other human in the galaxy of equal importance to Luke himself was a pretty brilliant justification for getting Obi-Wan to leave Tatooine. Plus the final interaction between Obi-Wan and Bail/Leia was just so perfect (IMO) that I actually feel like the OT is enhanced as a result.

 

[ebor]

I liked the finale...sets up a much needed season 2

 

[greygoose]

I liked the finale...sets up a much needed season 2

How do they go about bringing Vader back? Let's face it, he's coming back.

 

[Khev]

I liked the finale...sets up a much needed season 2

"Much needed?" I feel like everyone is perfectly placed for their future introductions in RO/ANH with no further "bridging" needed.

 

[ebor]

They need to do the next story arc--Obi wan vs. Darth Maul.

They could easily milk this and set up a Vader show ('Wanna see how I got these scars?')

or Leia and Lola ('Lola's Magical Journey to the Dark-Side')...lol

or Reva (with Bob Marley Redemption song theme) meeting cousin of Broom-boy (call it 'Gonna Sweep ya' Emprire')

 

[ajp4mgs]

Really? I think that the one other human in the galaxy of equal importance to Luke himself was a pretty brilliant justification for getting Obi-Wan to leave Tatooine. Plus the final interaction between Obi-Wan and Bail/Leia was just so perfect (IMO) that I actually feel like the OT is enhanced as a result.

I agree with JAWS on this. There are plenty of ways they could get Kenobi off Tatooine without tampering with Leia's ANH hologram plea and making Kenobi's ESB "our last hope" line even more implausible. Whatever good came out of Bail/Leia being used is offset by the bad.

If Vader was obsessed with Kenobi, then he should be the one drawing his old master out. The fact that Reva (of all characters!) exploited a connection that Anakin/Vader would've been way more familiar with is just terrible. If Vader spent ten years not using Kenobi's old alliances, then he immediately looks stupid if someone else tries it and it works.

It's already been established that the Empire continued using the HoloNet. So they could've easily had Kenobi going on a supply run while on Tatooine where he sees some type of HoloNet broadcast about an impending execution of Jedi or padawan "criminals." The news story could've shown the facility where the Jedi/padawans were being held until they'd be transported to the execution site 2 or 3 days from now. Kenobi could've recognized it and gone to free them before the transfer.

This could've either been a setup by Vader or just have Vader show up to execute the Jedi himself and run into Kenobi unexpectedly. Or, (as I would prefer it) have a Kenobi adventure where he doesn't encounter Vader at all and thus preserves their ANH duel as the first meeting since Vader was "the learner." Lots of options that wouldn't mess with the OT.

Professional writers can do way better than my lame storytelling skills and my flawed example, so there's no doubt in my mind that other options would've been better and should've been used.

 

[Garlador]

I’m still glad most of it wasn’t on Tatooine. Remember that fear?

 

[Khev]

I agree with JAWS on this. There are plenty of ways they could get Kenobi off Tatooine without tampering with Leia's ANH hologram plea and making Kenobi's ESB "our last hope" line even more implausible. Whatever good came out of Bail/Leia being used is offset by the bad.

If Vader was obsessed with Kenobi, then he should be the one drawing his old master out. The fact that Reva (of all characters!) exploited a connection that Anakin/Vader would've been way more familiar with is just terrible. If Vader spent ten years not using Kenobi's old alliances, then he immediately looks stupid if someone else tries it and it works.

It's already been established that the Empire continued using the HoloNet. So they could've easily had Kenobi going on a supply run while on Tatooine where he sees some type of HoloNet broadcast about an impending execution of Jedi or padawan "criminals." The news story could've shown the facility where the Jedi/padawans were being held until they'd be transported to the execution site 2 or 3 days from now. Kenobi could've recognized it and gone to free them before the transfer.

This could've either been a setup by Vader or just have Vader show up to execute the Jedi himself and run into Kenobi unexpectedly. Or, (as I would prefer it) have a Kenobi adventure where he doesn't encounter Vader at all and thus preserves their ANH duel as the first meeting since Vader was "the learner." Lots of options that wouldn't mess with the OT.

Professional writers can do way better than my lame storytelling skills and my flawed example, so there's no doubt in my mind that other options would've been better and should've been used.

I'm fine with Anakin considering Bail and his family to be "off limits" due to his own prior friendship with him dating back to the Clone Wars. A lingering remnant of "weakness" (aka good) that even he refuses to acknowledge. Which can even then reframe Tarkin's glee at destroying Alderaan in front of not just Leia but Vader as well to obliterate any last ties that Anakin may have had to the people of that planet.

And even if you disagree with that it's just one example of how I can easily come up with reasons that justify what the characters in this show did. Going back to my earlier post that JAWS quoted, if I like the end result then I'm more than happy to come up with my own explanations for what was going on off screen to validate what took place on screen--I've done that for years even with elements of the OT and is all part of the fun for me. If your overall opinion of the show is that it's bad then of course I understand that it's only natural to assume the worst about any given character's actions.

And to be clear I'm not saying that any of your assumptions or interpretations are "wrong." Coming to the conclusion that Vader and/or anyone/everyone else were just a bunch of idiots that taint their OT portrayals is perfectly valid, I just am all too happy to see things differently, which since we're both connecting dots that aren't 100% spelled out on screen I would say is equally valid.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I'm fine with Anakin considering Bail and his family to be "off limits" due to his own prior friendship with him dating back to the Clone Wars. A lingering remnant of "weakness" (aka good) that even he refuses to acknowledge. Which can even then reframe Tarkin's glee at destroying Alderaan in front of not just Leia but Vader as well to obliterate any last ties that Anakin may have had to the people of that planet.

And even if you disagree with that it's just one example of how I can easily come up with reasons that justify what the characters in this show did. Going back to my earlier post that JAWS quoted, if I like the end result then I'm more than happy to come up with my own explanations for what was going on off screen to validate what took place on screen--I've done that for years even with elements of the OT and is all part of the fun for me. If your overall opinion of the show is that it's bad then of course I understand that it's only natural to assume the worst about any given character's actions.

And to be clear I'm not saying that any of your assumptions or interpretations are "wrong." Coming to the conclusion that Vader and/or anyone/everyone else were just a bunch of idiots that taint their OT portrayals is perfectly valid, I just am all too happy to see things differently, which since we're both connecting dots that aren't 100% spelled out on screen I would say is equally valid.

I definitely agree about the validity of your justifications and overall opinion of the show. But prior to the finale, you even said that you were on the fence about the show because of all the ways it messed with continuity. If you viewed the finale as being epic enough to warrant justifications for the prior inconsistencies, I have no beef with that. Just giving the other side of things.

 

[Chainedstream]

Anyone noticed how similar Obi-Wan’s final costume is to Sideshow’s mythos statue/figure? Guess someone over at Lucas film truly enjoyed SS’s design. Ewan even wore the googles!

It was wonderful to see Neeson back on screen. Hayden Vader looked good too. Interesting to hear the voice switching between Hayden’s and James Earl Jones’s.

 

[Khev]

I definitely agree about the validity of your justifications and overall opinion of the show. But prior to the finale, you even said that you were on the fence about the show because of all the ways it messed with continuity. If you viewed the finale as being epic enough to warrant justifications for the prior inconsistencies, I have no beef with that. Just giving the other side of things.

Oh absolutely so I'm definitely not going to fault anyone for deciding that the issues that I had prior to the finale weren't worth justifying. And even I am not going to come up with some intricate explanation for Bail Organa's outright buffoonery in sending that ridiculously incriminating message to Obi-Wan. But it is what it is and will probably just be something that I chuckle at but try not to dwell on.

Going back to my earlier suggestion that Vader would have steered clear of exploiting Bail and his family, the more I think about it the more I feel comfortable going with that if for no other reason than Anakin knowing that Padme liked Bail, and therefore would allow the Senator to live unmolested so as not to further damage something that was connected to her. A connection that Reva would obviously have had no idea about.

On a side note what did you think of the parallel between Vader walking away from his shuttle to face Obi-Wan and Kylo Ren doing the same when he faced Luke on Crait?

 

[Khev]

Anyone noticed how similar Obi-Wan’s final costume is to Sideshow’s mythos statue/figure? Guess someone over at Lucas film truly enjoyed SS’s design. Ewan even wore the googles!

Yep Sideshow even posted on their site that Deborah Chow called out the Mythos statue as being a direct inspiration for the show:

https://www.sideshow.com/blog/obi-wan-director-deborah-chow-inspired-sideshow-mythos

 

[ajp4mgs]

On a side note what did you think of the parallel between Vader walking away from his shuttle to face Obi-Wan and Kylo Ren doing the same when he faced Luke on Crait?

I liked it a great deal, and also liked how the parallel was extended by having Vader ask, "did you come to destroy me?" to rhyme with Kylo asking Luke, "did you come to save my soul?"

Lots of other parallels and nods that I was a big fan of in this finale.

 

[Khev]

I liked it a great deal, and also liked how the parallel was extended by having Vader ask, "did you come to destroy me" to rhyme with Kylo asking Luke, "did you come to save my soul."

Lots of other parallels and nods that I was a big fan of in this finale.

Same here!

 

[Otomofan]

Why did she only wear her hair like Mickey ears in rehearsal? Should have gone full Disney in the actual show, since they didn't give her a cool helmet or anything.

It's like poetry. It rhymes.