Beware the Recaster(s)

[pixletwin]

The customs area has been stinking for a long while. Time to open the windows and let some fresh air in.

 

[Jen]

If someone is that concerned, they can take 10 minutes to find the info themselves. I strongly suspect Dave would not approve of a list like that. If I'm wrong.. then it will be reposted.

 

[mmmmBrains]

I know of one well known member I've seen on Q's feedback more than once, Emarae. You think since he is always commending artist's work that he would have more respect for them than that. Especially being an artist himself.

I don't know, I see a big difference in TT knock offs and a custom sculpt. I can also see how you would have that argument, face.

 

[thenammagazine]

I was joking earlier, but it does speak to the heart of the matter: who owns Andrew Lincoln's image? The artist who created a sculpt of it, the studio who paid for certain rights to it, or the man himself? To clarify the scenario, if Andrew Lincoln had access to a sculpt of his head made by WGP and wanted to recast it to make a figure of himself -- not for distribution, not as Rick Grimes, just a 1:6 figure of himself for his desk -- would that be okay?

Andrew owns his own likeness. AMC owns his likeness as it relates to any and all things Rick Grimes. An example would be if he appeared in a similar colored Sheriff uniform on another show, AMC could sue him. The only exemption from this would be a parody show like MAD Tv or SNL, but that would be up for a judge to decide if it was enough of a parody of the original character to qualify.

 

[vareika]

I'll be surprised if all those 1/6 companies did not "learn" or "copy" aspects of the 1/6 bodies from other competitor companies. In the end they are all trying to get to the same state - a good 1/6 body.

No different from car companies studying other cars or phone makers studying other phones.

Straight recast is different. It's cloning something adding 0 value to the design.

 

[thenammagazine]

I know of one well known member I've seen on Q's feedback more than once, Emarae. You think since he is always commending artist's work that he would have more respect for them than that. Especially being an artist himself.

I don't know, I see a big difference in TT knock offs and a custom sculpt. I can also see how you would have that argument, face.

Wake was there several times as well.

 

[aesthetics]

Andrew owns his own likeness. AMC owns his likeness as it relates to any and all things Rick Grimes. An example would be if he appeared in a similar colored Sheriff uniform on another show, AMC could sue him. The only exemption from this would be a parody show like MAD Tv or SNL, but that would be up for a judge to decide if it was enough of a parody of the original character to qualify.

That is correct! But, has any sculptor ever tried to get the actors approval for his likeness? I think that is easier than most of you think. Alot of especially young actors seems to be very into pop culture art.

 

[EVILFACE]

It's because all the heads he's selling originated from The Sideshow Freaks, and our artists.

they are not mass produced bodies from HT

You are just picking and choosing what recasts are acceptable to buy then. You either do or don't. Looks like most fall into the gray area, as usual.

And those artists are just using the board to sell stuff. Most of them don't take part in discussions on the board, so I wouldn't label them as Freaks.

As mentioned above, iminime uses Hot Toys recast bodies. I'm sure he would pitch a fit if someone recasted his work. And his work is mass produced.

 

[Kuzeh]

Wow... the Witch Hunters are out!!

 

[gdb]

Andrew owns his own likeness. AMC owns his likeness as it relates to any and all things Rick Grimes. An example would be if he appeared in a similar colored Sheriff uniform on another show, AMC could sue him. The only exemption from this would be a parody show like MAD Tv or SNL, but that would be up for a judge to decide if it was enough of a parody of the original character to qualify.

Public figures don't have to sign releases to paparazzi. And you forgot to quote the part of my post where I said I didn't care about legally.

 

[vareika]

All of this conversation leads to no outcome as unless the license owners start dishing out C&D, sculptors will keep sculpting, and recasters will keep recasting. If anything, sculptors and talent here would be impacted before recasters even hear anything.

 

[ebor]

Wake was there several times as well.

So what?

I thought posting names was not allowed?

 

[thenammagazine]

Public figures don't have to sign releases to paparazzi.

Depends. In Cali, actors have rights to how their likenesses are used. Schwarzenegger sued a parody bobble head maker and won, even though there's an "elected official" clause to allow for political parodies. Though I'm sure there's a "but if in public" clause that allows media to publish photos.... though calling tabloids that is a huuuuuuuuuge stretch.

So what?

I thought posting names was not allowed?

Posting the feedback image wasn't allowed. People have been posting names this entire thread. Guilty conscience?

 

[toyadventurer]

This thread has become as ridiculously stupid as the previous threads about this topic were.

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[pixletwin]

So what?

I thought posting names was not allowed?

Posting screen names is not allowed? Adopted Scot (a mod) even started a thread for people to cross check screen names with ebay IDs.

 

[mmmmBrains]

I don't think posting of someone's eBay feedback is allowed. I name dropped because I feel like it's important for artists and freaks alike to know which side of the fence people are on. Oh well. Back to being a spectator. I actually like this thread, it's informative and entertaining.

 

[thenammagazine]

Posting screen names is not allowed? Adopted Scot (a mod) even started a thread for people to cross check screen names with ebay IDs.

Which is why the sudden deletion of the image was extremely suspicious.

 

[galactiboy]

Given the info is public knowledge and there's even a thread here divulging ebay usernames, I don't see what the issue is.

Maybe some mods are up there?

Not that I saw... but given the fact that not everyone on that list had bought a recast head and it's unknown to know their level of information on the subject of this being a known recaster seems like more of a witch hunt than useful information.

this info is available without even needing a an ebay account, theres no "personal" information as its just user names...

Then feel free to look it up yourself, but don't post it here.

I would say deleting the image is more likely to cause rumors and conspiracies than the posting. I think the image opened a can of worms that perhaps needs to be opened once and for all.

Which is why the sudden deletion of the image was extremely suspicious.

Sure if you are looking for a rumor or conspiracy rather than take me at my word for why it was deleted. In theory I don't disagree with rooting out recasters and people supporting recasters, but as recently as this week we had a mini witch hunt because a member was selling two headsculpts they bought from Skiman yet it was concluded they must be recasts.

So at this point I think it best to raeign in the finger pointing.

 

[Hydeous]

Just got up and man, this thread has progressed through a couple of pages had to drive to work and read through some and skipped most of it since its just too much reading for the morning but i did manage to see the list ecko compiled, and noticed emarae bought a recast from Q, this month. Wow, i thought most members should know better by now not to give Q business

No mods on that list too, at least none that i know of.

 

[yruh8n]

Public figures don't have to sign releases to paparazzi. And you forgot to quote the part of my post where I said I didn't care about legally.

Celebrities want a fairly ridiculous amount of money for use of their likeness. Well ridiculous when it comes to producing action figures that could be manufactured and turn a profit. I know of a company that tried to sign a deal with Patrick McGoohan shortly before he passed to do a Prisoner figure. He wanted $10,000 up front plus a percentage of the profits from a company that planned to do 300 to 500 figures.