Bin Laden is dead!

[Adoptedscot]

Wouldn't his family have wanted it? Isn't his mother still alive? Doesn't he have a ton of brothers and sisters? What did we do with Husseins body? Why is the sky blue?

Who knows when it comes to something like this, who knows

It's amazing how many stories and speculation are going on with the various news channels right now .

Earlier they said that when the seals went in Bin Laden used the woman who was killed as a human shield before they killed him and she identified him by name before the firing started.
Now one of their specialists says that one of his reliable sources has informed him that OBL had an assasin with him at all times, so he may not have even been killed by the americans. The Taliban apparently thought it was better in that situation that he die by their assasin rather than be taken by the 'enemy' so the assasin killed him when the Seals entered.
It's all speculation of course.

I guess we will never know what really happened but will just have to brace ourselves for any retaliation and his martyr 'image' that will now be created by some of his extremist follwers.
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[the angry orc]

think i was expecting anything but this announcement when i tuned in last night. ended up staying up and watching all the talking heads way too late. brought back a lot of memories. my wife and i flew out of newark in the a.m. on 9/10 for manchester. woke up and drove to liverpool on 9/11 and was in some Beatle's shop when all the 9/11 stuff started coming over the bbc. my wife and i sat in the car in some parking lot just listening for what seemed like hours.

 

[Skiman]

I'm not sure if this is a victory but definitely a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED as he was one of our main objectives going into Afghanistan. We still have to deal with the ____ing Taliban and the remaining Al-Qaeda. But to some people, all they wanted was to see Bin Laden dead and to those, it really is a victorey. But like I said in my earlier post, it's up to the individual to decide.

True, there's still evil out there and people did suffer but we have to be grateful for the journey and sacrifice of the friends, family, neighbors, kids that stood at war against these forces and IMO be proud that we finally got him.

I guess my question is more to do with Kuz's statement on "what is a victory" if this isn't. Let's not focus on what the word victory means or what it means to anyone because that could be anything. I wanted more of a definitive answer on what event would have to take place in order for this to be considered a rejoicing event.

What would you'd rather see or have happen in order for the United States to become at peace?

 

[Kuzeh]

I agree with Carbo, it's much more of closure but I would have to ask if this is not a victory "and I'm not saying it is because I believe worst can happen but lets hope not" what would be a victory?

Bringing nations together would be a victory IMO... I know, call me an idealist... but hey... I like to believe...

If someone has a form of cancer and through chemo the cancer cells are destroyed, the doctor would call that a "victory."

OBL was a cancer on this planet...no two ways around it. Our navy seals removed that cancer from this planet. So to me, that is a "victory."

Dully noted...

Before you started your idiotic rants, the word "victory" appeared in this thread exactly 3 times out of the 309 posts up to that point.

This world has been ridded of a mass murderer. If you can't see that as a good thing, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

"Idiotic Rants?"...
I just posted the amount of people dead due to all this mess, I never said it is a good or bad thing... that's not for me to decide
I just said that putting things in perspective, I don't think its a victory...
Your strong feelings towards this are clouding your mind... sorry...

 

[Skiman]

Personally I don't think anything is a victory at this point. A lot of lives have been lost and I can't say I feel the US or the rest of the world is that much safer for it.

It is some closure that Bin Laden is now dead, but he is not the kind of figure head whose movement dies with him.

Yes, I agree, my argument is not so much to do with the word "victory." Trying to steer away from that.

 

[CREG Customs]

Who knows when it comes to something like this, who knows

It's amazing how many stories and speculation are going on with the various news channels right now .

Earlier they said that when the seals went in Bin Laden used the woman who was killed as a human shield before they killed him and she identified him by name before the firing started.
Now one of their specialists says that one of his reliable sources has informed him that OBL had an assasin with him at all times, so he may not have even been killed by the americans. The Taliban apparently thought it was better in that situation that he die by their assasin rather than be taken by the 'enemy' so the assasin killed him when the Seals entered.
It's all speculation of course.

I guess we will never know what really happened but will just have to brace ourselves for any retaliation and his martyr 'image' that will now be created by some of his extremist follwers.
x

If you are killed by one of your own men then how can you be seen as a martyr?

 

[Skiman]

Bringing nations together would be a victory IMO... I know, call me an idealist... but hey... I like to believe...

World peace, ok. That's what I wanted to know.

 

[Kuzeh]

I'm not sure if this is a victory but definitely a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED as he was one of our main objectives going into Afghanistan. We still have to deal with the ____ing Taliban and the remaining Al-Qaeda. But to some people, all they wanted was to see Bin Laden dead and to those, it really is a victorey. But like I said in my earlier post, it's up to the individual to decide.

Personally I don't think anything is a victory at this point. A lot of lives have been lost and I can't say I feel the US or the rest of the world is that much safer for it.

It is some closure that Bin Laden is now dead, but he is not the kind of figure head whose movement dies with him.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Damn the Brits would have been pissed if this news came out last week. Stealing their show. Haha

 

[pixletwin]

Al Queda is the kind of organization that re-grows severed limbs. I am glad that bin Laden is dead, but I really doubt much will change except maybe bring a small measure of peace to the families of some of the people he murdered.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Some do-gooder on my facebook page has left a status saying celebrating his death is shameful and like stooping to his level. I don't have time for people like this and even as a person I've known for 20 years has been 'defriended'. Same level as killing thousands of innocents? Yea alright some people are such morons.

 

[DeltaForceChung]

The sky is BLUE because if it was GREEN, then we would not know when to stop mowing the lawn.

As for the ongoing discussion about Bin Laden and possible reprisals . . . it reminds me of the end to the film THE KINGDOM.

Besides . . . either we'll all live in peace with our differences or we'll simply kill everyone who don't agree with us or they kill all of us or there is no one left to kill and we'll fight amongst ourselves until we're all dead.

Wait a minute . . . are we not kind of there yet already?

 

[Skiman]

Al Queda is the kind of organization that re-grows severed limbs. I am glad that bin Laden is dead, but I really doubt much will change except maybe bring a small measure of peace to the families of some of the people he murdered.

I lost a best friend since grade school from this war, I can't say it brings peace to myself or his other friends and family but it's a step the right direction and for that I am glad that some percentage of justice has been achieved.

 

[Kabukiman]

"Idiotic Rants?"...
I just posted the amount of people death due to all this mess, I never said it is a good or bad thing... that's not for me to decide
I just said that putting things in perspective, I don't think its a victory...
Your strong feelings towards this are clouding your mind... sorry...

Yeah, "idiotic rants", what would you call it?

My point is that nobody was calling this a victory until you came in to stir up your usual brand of stupid ____.

How's this for perspective:

So let me get this straight...
20k dead Afghans, 9k of them civilians... 1,500 coalition troops killed... and 2,700 casualties during 9/11...

All orchestrated by 1 man. That man is now dead. It's a good thing. Maybe even a victory depending on how loose you play with your definitions.

Nobody is discounting those lives lost. It's a tragedy and continues to be a tragedy as we continue to fight this war. But OBL is dead and that's a good thing.

Your fetish on stirring up ____ and saying incredibly dumb, irrelevant things are clouding your mind... sorry...

 

[Adoptedscot]

If you are killed by one of your own men then how can you be seen as a martyr?

I'm not saying that is how he is seen by most, just how he may be seen by his followers.
Giving his life for the cause is all that matters to some fanatics (I would imagine), he is known to some as a holy warrior so regardless how he died some may simply worship the image that was him.
As GB said, his is not the kind of leader who's campaigns dissapear just because he is dead and I completely agree with that.
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[Nuka Cola Kidd]

All orchestrated by 1 man. That man is now dead. It's a good thing. Maybe even a victory depending on how loose you play with your definitions.

Nobody is discounting those lives lost. It's a tragedy and continues to be a tragedy as we continue to fight this war. But OBL is dead and that's a good thing.

Your fetish on stirring up ____ and saying incredibly dumb, irrelevant things are clouding your mind... sorry...

 

[daikkenaurora]

I'm sure the republicians ate plotting a way to try and flip this ti make themselvrs seem like they did this.

 

[Kuzeh]

Yeah, "idiotic rants", what would you call it?

My point is that nobody was calling this a victory until you came in to stir up your usual brand of stupid ____.

How's this for perspective:

All over the news they are calling it a victory...

All orchestrated by 1 man. That man is now dead. It's a good thing. Maybe even a victory depending on how loose you play with your definitions.

You really think that it was orchestrated by 1 man?
Really?...

Nobody is discounting those lives lost. It's a tragedy and continues to be a tragedy as we continue to fight this war. But OBL is dead and that's a good thing.

Then why does it bother you that I bring up the numbers?...

Your fetish on stirring up ____ and saying incredibly dumb, irrelevant things are clouding your mind... sorry...

I'm not here to stir things up, just posted my opinion, like everybody else... you might not agree with it, but I think the number of casualties is pretty relevant to the topic, specially since everybody is rejoicing...
Name-calling and your offensive attitude doesn't make you smarter you know?...

 

[DinoLast]

Damn the Brits would have been pissed if this news came out last week. Stealing their show. Haha

Not at all, I think the celebrations and cheers would have been even louder.

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[slipknotpredator]

Im reading comments such as "Al Qaeda should nuke the US" "RIP Osama" etc, just cant believe it...

So sad.