Black Friday Shoppers Trampled At Target Store

[Voorhees27]

 

[devilof76]

Or it's for people that use their kids as an excuse to not work for a living. And i'm speaking about grown men/fathers. Lazy bastards.

It also gives jobs to bureaucrats who otherwise would be collecting welfare checks.

In other words--a superficial bone thrown to the proletariat to keep them from revolting against the ruling class? Yeah, that sounds about right.

That's why I support a "strong welfare state"

No, that just gives them a moral sanction. It works out in such a way that when the rest of us can't support them anymore, they believe they're being wronged and are justified in revolting.

If poor people want to kill me because they resent working, they can bring it.

 

[karamazov80]

You said before that welfare existed so that poor folk wouldn't think they were any different from others. But now you say social revolution will only occur with the precondition of this artificial feeling of entitlement? If so, then why create the welfare state to begin with? Makes no sense. Might as well crush them under your heels if that's how it works.

 

[The Ween]

Years ago I had a cancer scare and had to have surgery. At the time I didn't have health insurance and I was making minimum wage. My medical bills were pretty high. I called to see if there was anyway I could get any temporary help or loan to pay the bills. I was told by the lady I spoke to that if I had a dependent child that everything would be taken care of. I said, so because I took care of myself and used birth control, I can't get any help? She said unfortunately no I couldn't. It took me 2 years to pay off those bills.

When I got out of high school and was working at the newspaper, a housing development was built in my town. It was really nice. It was for low income (not welfare) people. I decided to see if I could get one. Anyway, I stood in line, in the cold for an hour only to have a guy come out and tell people that the only way you can rent one of the places was to have a job and a dependent child. I had the job, but not the child, so I was out of luck.

Moral of the story? If you're a young girl, just out of high school, living in Ohio, get knocked up and you're taken care of.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

^^Hellooooo ladies. I'm moving to Ohio next week.

 

[karamazov80]

To Ween's post, the new health reform bill has its pros and cons, but one of the pros for consumers is that you can't be rejected for health insurance due to pre-existing conditions, and you can't be subject to "unreasonable premium" costs or increases, nor would you be subject to yearly or life-time limits on coverage. That should be a big help to folks in your situation in the future.

But yeah, the system is set up to protect children (and, more and more, the disabled). Not others so much. Sadly, part of the reason is that the state doesn't want to pick up the tab for taking care of a child if the parent dies or becomes unable to do so themselves for other reasons.

 

[Kabukiman]

Moral of the story? If you're a young girl, just out of high school, living in Ohio, get knocked up and you're taken care of.

 

[devilof76]

You said before that welfare existed so that poor folk wouldn't think they were any different from others. But now you say social revolution will only occur with the precondition of this artificial feeling of entitlement? If so, then why create the welfare state to begin with? Makes no sense. Might as well crush them under your heels if that's how it works.

It makes perfect sense. When they know that there is a natural difference between people who work hard, and people who do not, there is no ground for them to believe that they are being cheated.
If you eliminate the natural distinction, as soon as they begin to get wind of an inequality, they will be disposed to revolt.

 

[The Ween]

To Ween's post, the new health reform bill has its pros and cons, but one of the pros for consumers is that you can't be rejected for health insurance due to pre-existing conditions, and you can't be subject to "unreasonable premium" costs or increases, nor would you be subject to yearly or life-time limits on coverage. That should be a big help to folks in your situation in the future.

But yeah, the system is set up to protect children (and, more and more, the disabled). Not others so much. Sadly, part of the reason is that the state doesn't want to pick up the tab for taking care of a child if the parent dies or becomes unable to do so themselves for other reasons.

I have insurance now, rotten as it is. I just got a letter from them today as a matter of fact saying that there is no longer a life time cap. Another thing is that they will cover a dependent child up to age 26.

Now if instead of that they'd cover any blood work I get done, I'd be happy. Bastards!

 

[The Ween]

I'd have his baby!

 

[devilof76]

You're dead to me.

 

[King Darkness]

1: If I want something bad enough I will pay full price

2: I am not a fat bastard

1 + 2= I dont get trampled looking for a deal

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Moral of the story? If you're a young girl, just out of high school, living in Ohio, get knocked up and you're taken care of.

Hmmm...Ohio you say, eh?

 

[EVILFACE]

1: If I want something bad enough I will pay full price

2: I am not a fat bastard

1 + 2= I dont get trampled looking for a deal

If you like, I can come over and trample you and then take your item that you paid full price for.

 

[karamazov80]

It makes perfect sense. When they know that there is a natural difference between people who work hard, and people who do not, there is no ground for them to believe that they are being cheated.
If you eliminate the natural distinction, as soon as they begin to get wind of an inequality, they will be disposed to revolt.

You're avoiding the initial issue, which is what both of our earlier respective posts referred to--why remove this "natural distinction" to begin with by instituting a welfare state? Either the poor people are manipulating the ruling class into doing it (unlikely), or the ruling class imposes this policy for some reason. It is either out of benign altruism or self-interest, or some mixture of those things. I still say it is largely an attempt to maintain social order. You said I was wrong, but never said why. You seem to be saying that governments create welfare states because the poor develop a sense of entitlement from it.

 

[Boba Ben]

Here's a psychopath from the state above mine.

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[King Darkness]

She looks upset

 

[teemu]

Boycott this nonsense and dont participate Black Friday...fighting people over Mammon and chinese slave goods,just to save $5 bucks.Seriously

Noticed the older guy leaning over that got trampled was hurt and nobody cared.Its Quite sad to have to live among people like this.

 

[Voorhees27]

I'd bang her.

 

[Firebird]

That girl has some serious issues. That's just CRAZY!

It's not worth all the nonsense and hospital bills just for saving a few bucks.