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Oh yeah, I forgot that, but why is Batman Begins exclusive to HD-DVD without any Blu-Ray version in sight?

For some reason, the Blu-Ray version keeps getting delayed. There is also buzz about a 2nd HD DVD release that is not a Combo Format and has additional features.
 
For some reason, the Blu-Ray version keeps getting delayed. There is also buzz about a 2nd HD DVD release that is not a Combo Format and has additional features.

Where do you get your info from? Batman Begins on HD-DVD is not a combo.
 
What's with this infatuation with Backwards Compatibility?? I want the PS3 for current and future technology, not the old stuff. Plus, if I need to play a PS2 game I still have my PS2. The 40B, non BC version is the best buy, imho.

Ummmm, never bought a PS2 so backwards compatibility is a big deal for me. I will have the option to play all the titles I missed in the past. there are different options that suit different consumers. :)
 
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backwards compatibility is a nice luxury item to have for most people so they don't have to keep their old systems that occupy space. the great thing about it is that you automatically have a HUGE library to select from when you buy the new system. most PS2 games can be had for less than $15 nowadays at EB.
 
backwards compatibility is a nice luxury item to have for most people so they don't have to keep their old systems that occupy space. the great thing about it is that you automatically have a HUGE library to select from when you buy the new system. most PS2 games can be had for less than $15 nowadays at EB.

Oh so very true. Once you buy a new system the old one must go in my opinion because it becomes clutter and takes up a much needed input space in your television. :lecture
 
Just got a notice that my HD-DVD's from the Xbox HD-DVD deal are delayed and expected to ship on the 25th, hopefully they'll be there before I have to leave again otherwise I'll have to wait a couple more weeks when the semester ends and I can go back home.
 
Just got a notice that my HD-DVD's from the Xbox HD-DVD deal are delayed and expected to ship on the 25th, hopefully they'll be there before I have to leave again otherwise I'll have to wait a couple more weeks when the semester ends and I can go back home.

When did you send in the rebate? Still waiting over here since August I believe. :monkey2
 
August 10th, it seems they are a bit behind from all the rebates, but at least they are delaying it instead of substituting something else. Some of those movies I really didn't care about.
 
For the last time, a 1080p player is NOT worth the extra $$$. Do not fall for it.


"1080i v. 1080p
By Geoffrey Morrison (Home Theater) • November, 2006
Less than meets the eye.

The most frequently asked questions I've received this year have been about the difference between 1080i and 1080p. Many people felt—or others erroneously told them—that their brand-new 1080p TVs were actually 1080i, as that was the highest resolution they could accept on any input. I did a blog post on this topic and received excellent questions, which I followed up on. It is an important enough question—and one that creates a significant amount of confusion—that I felt I should address it here, as well.

There Is No Difference Between 1080p and 1080i
My bold-printed, big-lettered breaker above is a little sensationalistic, but, as far as movies are concerned, this is basically true. Here's why. Movies (and most TV shows) are shot at 24 frames per second (either on film or on 24-frame-per-second HD cameras). Every TV sold in the United States has a refresh rate of 60 hertz. This means that the screen refreshes 60 times per second. In order to display 24-frame-per-second content on a display that essentially shows 60 frames per second, you need to make up or create new frames. This is accomplished by a method called 3:2 pulldown (or, more accurately, 2:3 pulldown). It doubles the first frame of film, triples the second frame, doubles the third frame, and so on, creating a 2-3-2-3-2-3 sequence. (Check out Figure 1 for a more colorful depiction.) So, the new frames don't have new information; they are just duplicates of the original film frames. This process converts 24-frame-per-second film to be displayed on a 60-Hz display.

It's Deinterlacing, Not Scaling
HD DVD and Blu-ray content is 1080p/24. If your player outputs a 60-Hz signal (that is, one that your TV can display), the player is adding (creating) the 3:2 sequence. So, whether you output 1080i or 1080p, it is still inherently the same information. The only difference is in whether the player interlaces it and your TV deinterlaces it, or if the player just sends out the 1080p signal directly. If the TV correctly deinterlaces 1080i, then there should be no visible difference between deinterlaced 1080i and direct 1080p (even with that extra step). There is no new information—nor is there more resolution, as some people think. This is because, as you can see in Figure 1, there is no new information with the progressive signal. It's all based on the same original 24 frames per second.

In the case of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray player, the player interlaces the image and then deinterlaces it to create 1080p. So, you get that step regardless.

Two caveats: Other Blu-ray players can output 1080p/24. If your TV can accept 1080p/24, then it is adding the 3:2 sequence, unless it is one of the very few TVs that can change its refresh rate. Pioneer plasmas can change their refresh rate to 72 Hz, and they do a simple 3:3 pulldown (showing each film frame three times). This looks slightly less jerky.

If you're a gamer, then there is a difference, as 1080p/60 from a computer can be 60 different frames per second (instead of 24 different frames per second doubled and tripled, as with movie content). It is unlikely that native 1080p/60 content will ever be broadcast or distributed in wide numbers. The reasons for this are too numerous to get into here, but I list them in my follow-up blog.

So Don't Worry (Or Only Worry a Little)
Without question, it would be better if all TVs accepted a 1080p input. (Read that again before you start sending your e-mails.) What I hope this article points out is that, if you have a 1080p TV that only accepts 1080i, you're not missing any resolution from the Blu-ray or HD DVD source. If a TV doesn't correctly deinterlace 1080i, on the other hand. . .well, that's a different article. "
 
For the last time, a 1080p player is NOT worth the extra $$$. Do not fall for it.


"1080i v. 1080p
By Geoffrey Morrison (Home Theater) • November, 2006
Less than meets the eye.

The most frequently asked questions I've received this year have been about the difference between 1080i and 1080p. Many people felt—or others erroneously told them—that their brand-new 1080p TVs were actually 1080i, as that was the highest resolution they could accept on any input. I did a blog post on this topic and received excellent questions, which I followed up on. It is an important enough question—and one that creates a significant amount of confusion—that I felt I should address it here, as well.

There Is No Difference Between 1080p and 1080i
My bold-printed, big-lettered breaker above is a little sensationalistic, but, as far as movies are concerned, this is basically true. Here's why. Movies (and most TV shows) are shot at 24 frames per second (either on film or on 24-frame-per-second HD cameras). Every TV sold in the United States has a refresh rate of 60 hertz. This means that the screen refreshes 60 times per second. In order to display 24-frame-per-second content on a display that essentially shows 60 frames per second, you need to make up or create new frames. This is accomplished by a method called 3:2 pulldown (or, more accurately, 2:3 pulldown). It doubles the first frame of film, triples the second frame, doubles the third frame, and so on, creating a 2-3-2-3-2-3 sequence. (Check out Figure 1 for a more colorful depiction.) So, the new frames don't have new information; they are just duplicates of the original film frames. This process converts 24-frame-per-second film to be displayed on a 60-Hz display.

It's Deinterlacing, Not Scaling
HD DVD and Blu-ray content is 1080p/24. If your player outputs a 60-Hz signal (that is, one that your TV can display), the player is adding (creating) the 3:2 sequence. So, whether you output 1080i or 1080p, it is still inherently the same information. The only difference is in whether the player interlaces it and your TV deinterlaces it, or if the player just sends out the 1080p signal directly. If the TV correctly deinterlaces 1080i, then there should be no visible difference between deinterlaced 1080i and direct 1080p (even with that extra step). There is no new information—nor is there more resolution, as some people think. This is because, as you can see in Figure 1, there is no new information with the progressive signal. It's all based on the same original 24 frames per second.

In the case of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray player, the player interlaces the image and then deinterlaces it to create 1080p. So, you get that step regardless.

Two caveats: Other Blu-ray players can output 1080p/24. If your TV can accept 1080p/24, then it is adding the 3:2 sequence, unless it is one of the very few TVs that can change its refresh rate. Pioneer plasmas can change their refresh rate to 72 Hz, and they do a simple 3:3 pulldown (showing each film frame three times). This looks slightly less jerky.

If you're a gamer, then there is a difference, as 1080p/60 from a computer can be 60 different frames per second (instead of 24 different frames per second doubled and tripled, as with movie content). It is unlikely that native 1080p/60 content will ever be broadcast or distributed in wide numbers. The reasons for this are too numerous to get into here, but I list them in my follow-up blog.

So Don't Worry (Or Only Worry a Little)
Without question, it would be better if all TVs accepted a 1080p input. (Read that again before you start sending your e-mails.) What I hope this article points out is that, if you have a 1080p TV that only accepts 1080i, you're not missing any resolution from the Blu-ray or HD DVD source. If a TV doesn't correctly deinterlace 1080i, on the other hand. . .well, that's a different article. "


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I have also hear from sources that 720P and 1080i were pretty much the same. So now 720p and 1080p should equal no diff too? Soon we will hear that 480i is just as good as 1080p. :lol
 
HD DVD is going to be around for a while, folks:

90,000 HD DVD players sold in one weekend

By Henning Molbaek
FIRST ONLINE Nov 7, 2007

This past weekend Wal-mart and Best Buy decided to lower the price of the second generation HD DVD player the Toshiba HD-A2 to $98.

This helped move a lot of Toshiba HD DVD players. An estimated 90,000 units went over the counters to costumers in one single weekend.

In comparison one of Blu-rays best selling stand a lone players the Sony BDP-300 has shipped about 100,000 units since it launch in early June some five months ago.
 
For the last time, a 1080p player is NOT worth the extra $$$. Do not fall for it.

I agree. My TV does both 1080i and 1080p and to be honest when i've run both through it I really can't tell the damn difference. Needless to say i'm happy that I picked up the $98 Toshiba HD-DVD player. The only thing that does hurt is the lack of titles. Blu-Ray really wins in that department...
 
I agree. My TV does both 1080i and 1080p and to be honest when i've run both through it I really can't tell the damn difference. Needless to say i'm happy that I picked up the $98 Toshiba HD-DVD player. The only thing that does hurt is the lack of titles. Blu-Ray really wins in that department...

Lack of titles? They both have a pretty even amount of titles. Which is a reason I don't have a Blu-ray player yet.
 
Lack of titles? They both have a pretty even amount of titles. Which is a reason I don't have a Blu-ray player yet.

Well, I like that both are getting Harry Potter but i'm a horror fan and Anchor Bay is still only supporting BR. Also BR has Disney which is HUGE...
 
Well, I like that both are getting Harry Potter but i'm a horror fan and Anchor Bay is still only supporting BR. Also BR has Disney which is HUGE...
Yes, Blu-Ray has Disney and Fox exclusively (for now). But HD DVD currently has Universal and Paramount.

Other than Sony (obviously) studio allegiences are subject to change and shift with the market. That is why the installed hardware (player) base is so crucial and why events like 90,000 HD DVD players sold this past weekend are hugely significant.
 
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