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To preface, I want to be perfectly Clear. I'm not "pro-walt" nor "anti-walt" The characters are who they are.

My viewpoint is ONLY that there are no True " Hero's" and/or "Villians" amongs the main cast. Only shades of grey.


This post is why I have a problem with pro-Walt fans. It's like...the character can do no wrong. The fact that a mentally challenged 17 year old boy JUST found out that his dad, whom he's looked up too, and loved his whole life, has been a giant meth dealer who has done unspeakable crimes for the last 2 years, was arrested just minutes before he was told.

And then he comes home, to find his dad already there, panicked, scared....he asks if it's true. AND then, add on the very idea that Hank, Uncle Hank, another person he loves, respects, might be dead because of his dad.....AND THEN to top it off, he watches his father FIGHT his mother with a ****ing knife in the middle of their living room. Yeah....uh, I think Jr acted perfectly rational. Sorry, but if I found out one of my parents was a drug dealer, who may or may not have murdered someone else I loved and was fighting my mother, I'd ****ing smash that parent's head in. It's over by that point.

Come on. Every character has a reason for doing what they're doing. Marie has been with Hank all the way with this Heisenberg nonsense...so...of course she's with her husband all the way. She just found out her sister was a part of this, which ****ing killed her inside.

Her going to Skyler was a great moment. It was a fantastic character moment actually. It shows that Marie will always love her sister. She might have been hurt initially, but who can blame her?

Well get to marie in a moment.

I was going to reply, but Iron Jedi makes part of my arguement for me, though for a different reason.

Skylar initiated the fight. she even cut Walt. im not defending what Walt did but if one of my parents started cut my other parent i would try to stop to one that ACTUALLY HURT the other person with the knife. Walt Jr called the cops and said Walt attacked Skylar first. throughout the whole series they showed Walt Jr resenting and even hating Skylar for treating Walt horribly from what he knew of Walt. noe all of a sudden with no proof just heresay Walt Jr turns on his father. that is very fickle and proves he is still a child

This is the thing. Walt Jr is fragile. Both physicaly and mentaly. his flip-floping makes perfect sense when you consider that.

Skyler cut Walt trying to make him leave and in her mind (and I think Jr's), protecting her son. Jr then returns the favour once Walt physically gets the upper hand on Skyler.

Personally, I thought it made sense. Walt pretty much confirms everything that Skyler and Marie said by avoiding the subject and trying to force them to leave and by the fact that he cannot explain what happened to Hank.

No matter how it was written or how long Walt explained things, this was going to be the end result. There's no explaining away to anyone outside the biz your association with neo-Nazi killers and the fact that while you tried your best to save Uncle Hank, he and Gomie are dead and buried in a hole you dug to stash your meth money. Walt's only chance at having a semblance of a family is if he got away scott free and nobody knew, but once the truth's out, it's too late.

Very true. It fits with his mentality, and his Naive, simplistic viewpoint. Which is needed for the story to work. IF I had to liken the story to anything, SO far I'd say it's in the vein of a Greek or shakespearian Tradgedy. So far, EVERYBODY LOOSES and/or Dies. And it's an AMAZING story Becuase of this.

Now, lets talk about Marie, and why she is despicable.

Marie, like most of our characters is Motivated by her Love.
Love of family, and Love of Hank.
Marie Sees herself as an upright person who can do no wrong, that everyone else should aspire to be like.

This is her major flaw as well. She, like Walt, is driven by Ego.
She is merely at the opposite end of the spectrum.
She sees herself as Rightious, and feels everyone should follow her example.
We also know she is at best a cleptomaniac, and at worst a Full on Thief with denial issues. She stole a several thousand dollar tiara early on, and completely Refused to adit to ever doing it. Even now, she went so far as to let Skyler take the blame for it.
And while we have seen nothing to indicateshe is still doing this, we also have not seen anything to indicate she has stopped.

This is unsuprising, as the show is walt's story, not hers.

NOW, you CAN argue the severity of the crimes if you wish, but that still dosn't change the fact that she has no moral highground to stand on. Don't forget, she was willing to full on kidnap HOlly as well at one point, and it took hank FORCING her to stop to not do it.

We've already talked about how Walt Jr. is fragile, and not completely there, mentaly or physicaly. And Yet, Marie, in her " I know what's best for you" mentality, COMPLETELY DESTROYS the poor boy's world, causing MASSIVE, and unintelligable emotional and mental scarring.
She didn't care what effect this information HAD on the boy, she just wanted to discredit walt.

Why? Becuase she was angry at him for the video.

Yes, she had every right to be, but what she wanted was not justice, but Vengence. you can Hear it in her voice when she mentions it to Skyler. Her seething rage also comes across in her eyes.

EXCELLENT JOB by the actress on that BTW.

The end point, the overarching theme of this show, can be summed up as thus.

How Far are you TRUELY willing to go for those you love.
And the repurcussions/fallout from those actions.
 
CelticPredator Walt Jr has Cerebral Palsy which affects his motor coordination not his cognitive abilities. Just wanted to correct that because that is a common mistake.

Granted, but Walt Jr has shown that he is A little Naive, and a little bit simple as well. This is more based on his gulability and innocene he potrayes in the role.
 
But that does not make a person mentally challanged just naive. I am not trying to discount someone's point just trying to correct the perception of Walt Jr.'s disability.
 
My only complaint about the series is the WTF moments. Like how nobody would tie Walt's visits to the old folk's home to the explosion. With all the witnesses there. Who knows if there was even surveillance like cameras. Or how fast the guys came after Hank arrested Walt. I mean, is it that small of a place they can cover that much area in such a short period of time? lol

But I still love the show. Yes-yes, I get it, take into account it's just a show.
 
My only complaint about the series is the WTF moments. Like how nobody would tie Walt's visits to the old folk's home to the explosion. With all the witnesses there. Who knows if there was even surveillance like cameras. Or how fast the guys came after Hank arrested Walt. I mean, is it that small of a place they can cover that much area in such a short period of time? lol

But I still love the show. Yes-yes, I get it, take into account it's just a show.

With Breaking Bad as excellent as it is, those WTF moments don't count.
 
What a gut wrenching episode...
Wow!! it was brilliant though!!! :D

I love this show, the actors and how good all they are, but I cannot understand how people can call Skylar a ****** and Walt Jr. an idiot...
you have to really be messed up to support all that Walt has done... seriously!! :cuckoo:
 
My only complaint about the series is the WTF moments. Like how nobody would tie Walt's visits to the old folk's home to the explosion. With all the witnesses there. Who knows if there was even surveillance like cameras. Or how fast the guys came after Hank arrested Walt. I mean, is it that small of a place they can cover that much area in such a short period of time? lol

But I still love the show. Yes-yes, I get it, take into account it's just a show.

We don't know how long Walt was hiding behind those rocks.

TV "time" =/= Real passage of time.

Three years pass between the End of Star Wars, and A new hope, and the begenning of Empire STrikes Back, One Year passes between the end of Empire and Jedi. 2ish months of that is Luke training on Dagobah with Yoda. We have NOTHING to indicate this passage of time on film, it's purely arbitrary.

the same applies here.
 
We don't know how long Walt was hiding behind those rocks.

TV "time" =/= Real passage of time.

Three years pass between the End of Star Wars, and A new hope, and the begenning of Empire STrikes Back, One Year passes between the end of Empire and Jedi. 2ish months of that is Luke training on Dagobah with Yoda. We have NOTHING to indicate this passage of time on film, it's purely arbitrary.

the same applies here.

I dunno... It didn't seem like he was hiding that long. They didn't give that kind of impression. I suppose it all comes down to perception.
 
I dunno... It didn't seem like he was hiding that long. They didn't give that kind of impression. I suppose it all comes down to perception.

Sun was higher before/during the phonecall, and it was lower when it came back from comercial

He Could have been hiding there 10 min, 30 min, or as long as an hour.

two police officers, and a kid in custody, with NO backup, but they've got the Car and road blocked off?

Nope, they're going to Wait the Suspect out, and watch carefully. They're NOT going to charge into an unknown situation, with a hidden, possibly armed and definitely dangerous guy nearby.
 
CelticPredator Walt Jr has Cerebral Palsy which affects his motor coordination not his cognitive abilities. Just wanted to correct that because that is a common mistake.

It certainly can and often does impair brain function and it is very commonly associated with learning disabilities. It is a broad spectrum disorder with varying degrees of paralysis and brain impairment. Individuals affected with CP can range from the extremely intelligent to severe intellectual disability. It depends on many factors, such as what parts of the brain are affected and when the damage occurred during the child's development. I treat patients with CP everyday and you have to realize that you have to treat these patients differently based on the severity of their condition.
 
But that does not make a person mentally challanged just naive. I am not trying to discount someone's point just trying to correct the perception of Walt Jr.'s disability.

No, he isn't dumb. But he still is mentally challenged. I felt like I needed to add that to put some things in perspective for some people.
 
Sun was higher before/during the phonecall, and it was lower when it came back from comercial

He Could have been hiding there 10 min, 30 min, or as long as an hour.

two police officers, and a kid in custody, with NO backup, but they've got the Car and road blocked off?

Nope, they're going to Wait the Suspect out, and watch carefully. They're NOT going to charge into an unknown situation, with a hidden, possibly armed and definitely dangerous guy nearby.

The whole sun aspect you're using (and I gotta ask, did you just rewatched this) has more to do with the shooting of the scene vs. the actual idea behind the time for it. It takes a lot longer to shoot a scene and get it right vs. the actual time it's being played. Yeesh... I remember taking hours just to shoot 2 minutes worth of video.

That's it, I am moving on! Is it just me or is Matt Damon gonna get it on with the brunette?
 
Just watched Sundays episode again. It really was an incredible episode. I would say that phone call at the end goes down as one of my favourite moments through out the show. Cranston was just astonishing! I felt his pain so badly :monkey2
 
The whole sun aspect you're using (and I gotta ask, did you just rewatched this) has more to do with the shooting of the scene vs. the actual idea behind the time for it. It takes a lot longer to shoot a scene and get it right vs. the actual time it's being played. Yeesh... I remember taking hours just to shoot 2 minutes worth of video.

That's it, I am moving on! Is it just me or is Matt Damon gonna get it on with the brunette?

I watch my episodes online a few days after they air. JUST watched this weeks tuesday. It's still fresh in mind.

And even then, let's assume walt hid for 20 min post phonecall.

we then have a good 10-15 min during the arrest scene to when they show up.

so that's 30-35 min AT THE MINIMUM before they arrive.

OK! enough of that.
:D
 
But that does not make a person mentally challanged just naive. I am not trying to discount someone's point just trying to correct the perception of Walt Jr.'s disability.

I watch my episodes online a few days after they air. JUST watched this weeks tuesday. It's still fresh in mind.

And even then, let's assume walt hid for 20 min post phonecall.

we then have a good 10-15 min during the arrest scene to when they show up.

so that's 30-35 min AT THE MINIMUM before they arrive.

OK! enough of that.
:D

The time line is 2 hours or something.


Anyway, why doesn't this have more views?

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8gULE-UfBc[/ame]
 
I watch my episodes online a few days after they air. JUST watched this weeks tuesday. It's still fresh in mind.

And even then, let's assume walt hid for 20 min post phonecall.

we then have a good 10-15 min during the arrest scene to when they show up.

so that's 30-35 min AT THE MINIMUM before they arrive.

OK! enough of that.
:D

*hands around neck* WHY I OUGHTA!!!

haha
 
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