lerath666
Super Freak
To preface, I want to be perfectly Clear. I'm not "pro-walt" nor "anti-walt" The characters are who they are.
My viewpoint is ONLY that there are no True " Hero's" and/or "Villians" amongs the main cast. Only shades of grey.
Well get to marie in a moment.
I was going to reply, but Iron Jedi makes part of my arguement for me, though for a different reason.
This is the thing. Walt Jr is fragile. Both physicaly and mentaly. his flip-floping makes perfect sense when you consider that.
Very true. It fits with his mentality, and his Naive, simplistic viewpoint. Which is needed for the story to work. IF I had to liken the story to anything, SO far I'd say it's in the vein of a Greek or shakespearian Tradgedy. So far, EVERYBODY LOOSES and/or Dies. And it's an AMAZING story Becuase of this.
Now, lets talk about Marie, and why she is despicable.
Marie, like most of our characters is Motivated by her Love.
Love of family, and Love of Hank.
Marie Sees herself as an upright person who can do no wrong, that everyone else should aspire to be like.
This is her major flaw as well. She, like Walt, is driven by Ego.
She is merely at the opposite end of the spectrum.
She sees herself as Rightious, and feels everyone should follow her example.
We also know she is at best a cleptomaniac, and at worst a Full on Thief with denial issues. She stole a several thousand dollar tiara early on, and completely Refused to adit to ever doing it. Even now, she went so far as to let Skyler take the blame for it.
And while we have seen nothing to indicateshe is still doing this, we also have not seen anything to indicate she has stopped.
This is unsuprising, as the show is walt's story, not hers.
NOW, you CAN argue the severity of the crimes if you wish, but that still dosn't change the fact that she has no moral highground to stand on. Don't forget, she was willing to full on kidnap HOlly as well at one point, and it took hank FORCING her to stop to not do it.
We've already talked about how Walt Jr. is fragile, and not completely there, mentaly or physicaly. And Yet, Marie, in her " I know what's best for you" mentality, COMPLETELY DESTROYS the poor boy's world, causing MASSIVE, and unintelligable emotional and mental scarring.
She didn't care what effect this information HAD on the boy, she just wanted to discredit walt.
Why? Becuase she was angry at him for the video.
Yes, she had every right to be, but what she wanted was not justice, but Vengence. you can Hear it in her voice when she mentions it to Skyler. Her seething rage also comes across in her eyes.
EXCELLENT JOB by the actress on that BTW.
The end point, the overarching theme of this show, can be summed up as thus.
How Far are you TRUELY willing to go for those you love.
And the repurcussions/fallout from those actions.
My viewpoint is ONLY that there are no True " Hero's" and/or "Villians" amongs the main cast. Only shades of grey.
This post is why I have a problem with pro-Walt fans. It's like...the character can do no wrong. The fact that a mentally challenged 17 year old boy JUST found out that his dad, whom he's looked up too, and loved his whole life, has been a giant meth dealer who has done unspeakable crimes for the last 2 years, was arrested just minutes before he was told.
And then he comes home, to find his dad already there, panicked, scared....he asks if it's true. AND then, add on the very idea that Hank, Uncle Hank, another person he loves, respects, might be dead because of his dad.....AND THEN to top it off, he watches his father FIGHT his mother with a ****ing knife in the middle of their living room. Yeah....uh, I think Jr acted perfectly rational. Sorry, but if I found out one of my parents was a drug dealer, who may or may not have murdered someone else I loved and was fighting my mother, I'd ****ing smash that parent's head in. It's over by that point.
Come on. Every character has a reason for doing what they're doing. Marie has been with Hank all the way with this Heisenberg nonsense...so...of course she's with her husband all the way. She just found out her sister was a part of this, which ****ing killed her inside.
Her going to Skyler was a great moment. It was a fantastic character moment actually. It shows that Marie will always love her sister. She might have been hurt initially, but who can blame her?
Well get to marie in a moment.
I was going to reply, but Iron Jedi makes part of my arguement for me, though for a different reason.
Skylar initiated the fight. she even cut Walt. im not defending what Walt did but if one of my parents started cut my other parent i would try to stop to one that ACTUALLY HURT the other person with the knife. Walt Jr called the cops and said Walt attacked Skylar first. throughout the whole series they showed Walt Jr resenting and even hating Skylar for treating Walt horribly from what he knew of Walt. noe all of a sudden with no proof just heresay Walt Jr turns on his father. that is very fickle and proves he is still a child
This is the thing. Walt Jr is fragile. Both physicaly and mentaly. his flip-floping makes perfect sense when you consider that.
Skyler cut Walt trying to make him leave and in her mind (and I think Jr's), protecting her son. Jr then returns the favour once Walt physically gets the upper hand on Skyler.
Personally, I thought it made sense. Walt pretty much confirms everything that Skyler and Marie said by avoiding the subject and trying to force them to leave and by the fact that he cannot explain what happened to Hank.
No matter how it was written or how long Walt explained things, this was going to be the end result. There's no explaining away to anyone outside the biz your association with neo-Nazi killers and the fact that while you tried your best to save Uncle Hank, he and Gomie are dead and buried in a hole you dug to stash your meth money. Walt's only chance at having a semblance of a family is if he got away scott free and nobody knew, but once the truth's out, it's too late.
Very true. It fits with his mentality, and his Naive, simplistic viewpoint. Which is needed for the story to work. IF I had to liken the story to anything, SO far I'd say it's in the vein of a Greek or shakespearian Tradgedy. So far, EVERYBODY LOOSES and/or Dies. And it's an AMAZING story Becuase of this.
Now, lets talk about Marie, and why she is despicable.
Marie, like most of our characters is Motivated by her Love.
Love of family, and Love of Hank.
Marie Sees herself as an upright person who can do no wrong, that everyone else should aspire to be like.
This is her major flaw as well. She, like Walt, is driven by Ego.
She is merely at the opposite end of the spectrum.
She sees herself as Rightious, and feels everyone should follow her example.
We also know she is at best a cleptomaniac, and at worst a Full on Thief with denial issues. She stole a several thousand dollar tiara early on, and completely Refused to adit to ever doing it. Even now, she went so far as to let Skyler take the blame for it.
And while we have seen nothing to indicateshe is still doing this, we also have not seen anything to indicate she has stopped.
This is unsuprising, as the show is walt's story, not hers.
NOW, you CAN argue the severity of the crimes if you wish, but that still dosn't change the fact that she has no moral highground to stand on. Don't forget, she was willing to full on kidnap HOlly as well at one point, and it took hank FORCING her to stop to not do it.
We've already talked about how Walt Jr. is fragile, and not completely there, mentaly or physicaly. And Yet, Marie, in her " I know what's best for you" mentality, COMPLETELY DESTROYS the poor boy's world, causing MASSIVE, and unintelligable emotional and mental scarring.
She didn't care what effect this information HAD on the boy, she just wanted to discredit walt.
Why? Becuase she was angry at him for the video.
Yes, she had every right to be, but what she wanted was not justice, but Vengence. you can Hear it in her voice when she mentions it to Skyler. Her seething rage also comes across in her eyes.
EXCELLENT JOB by the actress on that BTW.
The end point, the overarching theme of this show, can be summed up as thus.
How Far are you TRUELY willing to go for those you love.
And the repurcussions/fallout from those actions.