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A lot happened in the final season. I don’t think a shows main character needs to become a better person at the end for it to be good. By the end Tony was a monster who ruined plenty of lives and at the end died for it.
 
A lot happened in the final season. I don’t think a shows main character needs to become a better person at the end for it to be good. By the end Tony was a monster who ruined plenty of lives and at the end died for it.

:exactly:

I guess that's why I'm bothered by the safe ending. There was no redemption at all at the end of the Sopranos, just business as usual.

I think Cranston saying "no redemption" was misleading.

Kinda why I'm partial to the Sopranos since the writers didn't care if the viewers got the satisfaction they wanted. Especially with Melfi's rapist never getting punished.
 
It makes no sense why anyone has a problem with this finale. And I will stand by that. It literally wrapped up everything in a neat, pretty little bow.

I've read a total of 7 posts on another forum about how this was disappointing, I really do not get it. What did anyone expect? Ehhhh....

The finale was very underwhelming in my opinion. Way too many cliches, some bad writing, and safe playing.

How convenient Uncle Jack just needs to show Walt that Jesse is alive, even though he is about to kill him. That just came off as lazy writing to me. And the fact Walt killed everyone and pretty much tied up every loose end was just a bit unbelievable to me.
 
The finale was very underwhelming in my opinion. Way too many cliches, some bad writing, and safe playing.

How convenient Uncle Jack just needs to show Walt that Jesse is alive, even though he is about to kill him. That just came off as lazy writing to me. And the fact Walt killed everyone and pretty much tied up every loose end was just a bit unbelievable to me.

We seem to be agreeing a lot on this topic :lol

It was cliche that Jack lived long enough to be killed by Walt and Jesse got to kill Todd.
 
How convenient Uncle Jack just needs to show Walt that Jesse is alive, even though he is about to kill him. That just came off as lazy writing to me. And the fact Walt killed everyone and pretty much tied up every loose end was just a bit unbelievable to me.

It is because People are predictable and Walt used that against them. He knew Uncle Jack would react somehow. Just like he was able to manipulate Elliot and poison Lydia .


"The theme of “Felina” seems to be this: People and machines are usually predictable. Lydia meets her business partners like she always did, tears open the only stevia packet on the table like she always does. Gretchen and Elliot betrayed on television how much they fear losing their reputation and their elegant lives, and that means that they can be manipulated. Walt has always used this predictability—this scientific certainty about action and reaction—to get what he wants.

But it’s taken him until now to realize the corollary: If you can change your pattern, those predictable people and machines will miss you. Walt changes; he’s the only one who does. After their purpose is fulfilled, the machines stay in motion. The massage chair keeps rolling even though its occupant is dead. The M60 keeps sweeping even though it’s out of ammunition. But Walt’s purpose is fulfilled, and he just stops.

"
 
:exactly:

I guess that's why I'm bothered by the safe ending. There was no redemption at all at the end of the Sopranos, just business as usual.

I think Cranston saying "no redemption" was misleading.

Kinda why I'm partial to the Sopranos since the writers didn't care if the viewers got the satisfaction they wanted. Especially with Melfi's rapist never getting punished.

After the heart-in-the-throat violence and suspense of the last few episodes, tonight’s finale is quiet. It doesn’t try to impress. A legend has no need to do that, as Walt shows that he understands when he quietly scares Gretchen and Elliot Schwartz out of their wits.

Nobody can believe Walter is right next to them because his modus operandi has never been to remain unseen. Over and over again in this last appearance, Walt remains in the background while his legend does the work for him. When Marie calls Skyler to warn her that Walt’s been seen in town, she mentions that, Pimpernel-like, he’s been spotted everywhere; of course, Walt’s already there, hidden from our view by a strategically-placed column until the camera moves forward to reveal him.

Lydia and Todd walk right past him in the coffee shop. And when he finally confronts Uncle Jack’s gang at their compound, his sickly appearance and pathetic plea to sell them a new blue-meth process convince them that he’s no threat. Finally, with all the bluster and porkpie hats behind him, Walt is truly as dangerous as he always wanted people to believe he was.
 
We seem to be agreeing a lot on this topic :lol

It was cliche that Jack lived long enough to be killed by Walt and Jesse got to kill Todd.

Yup forgot to mention that, it felt like a boss battle at the end of a game. Todd and Jack are the only 2 left alive so that the fans can see them get killed brutally by exactly who the fans wanted to kill them. A lot of cliches, bad writing, and playing it safe in my opinion.
 
A lot happened in the final season. I don’t think a shows main character needs to become a better person at the end for it to be good. By the end Tony was a monster who ruined plenty of lives and at the end died for it.

You're right, there was no need for him to become a good person, but in the end he was more or less where he started, with his family having dinner, still on top. As far as him dying, it was an open ending left to interpretation...maybe he lived or maybe he died, no one knows and there's no definitive answer.
 
After the heart-in-the-throat violence and suspense of the last few episodes, tonight’s finale is quiet. It doesn’t try to impress. A legend has no need to do that, as Walt shows that he understands when he quietly scares Gretchen and Elliot Schwartz out of their wits.

Nobody can believe Walter is right next to them because his modus operandi has never been to remain unseen. Over and over again in this last appearance, Walt remains in the background while his legend does the work for him. When Marie calls Skyler to warn her that Walt’s been seen in town, she mentions that, Pimpernel-like, he’s been spotted everywhere; of course, Walt’s already there, hidden from our view by a strategically-placed column until the camera moves forward to reveal him.

Lydia and Todd walk right past him in the coffee shop. And when he finally confronts Uncle Jack’s gang at their compound, his sickly appearance and pathetic plea to sell them a new blue-meth process convince them that he’s no threat. Finally, with all the bluster and porkpie hats behind him, Walt is truly as dangerous as he always wanted people to believe he was.

He's definitely accomplished that, and the only ones that know him for what he really was is Jesse and Skyler. He's forever Heisenberg to the general public.
 
You're right, there was no need for him to become a good person, but in the end he was more or less where he started, with his family having dinner, still on top. As far as him dying, it was an open ending left to interpretation...maybe he lived or maybe he died, no one knows and there's no definitive answer.

I think it's pretty clear he's gone.
 
I think my favorite scene was when Uncle Jack was trying to negotiate for his life with the millions he had stolen from Walt. He didn't even get to finish bargaining before Walt put a bullet in his head. There is no way Heisenberg pulls that trigger. He would have wanted his money. In the end, with what little time he had left, Walt decided to protect his family. He did everything he could to make sure they wouldn't suffer for the monster that he became.
 
You're right, there was no need for him to become a good person, but in the end he was more or less where he started, with his family having dinner, still on top. As far as him dying, it was an open ending left to interpretation...maybe he lived or maybe he died, no one knows and there's no definitive answer.

Its pretty much known he’s dead. But since we didn’t see it, I can understand that not being a sure thing. Sopranos ending, and series as a whole to me, was honest. They didn’t sugar coat anything. Fan favorites were getting killed off since season 2. Watching the finale of BB for me just felt like I was watching an action movie. Everything was just too perfect, and in my opinion some of the writing was a bit lazy.
 
I think my favorite scene was when Uncle Jack was trying to negotiate for his life with the millions he had stolen from Walt. He didn't even get to finish bargaining before Walt put a bullet in his head. There is no way Heisenberg pulls that trigger. He would have wanted his money. In the end, with what little time he had left, Walt decided to protect his family. He did everything he could to make sure they wouldn't suffer for the monster that he became.

Yup, finished him off almost exactly the same way Jack killed Hank. Both talking on the ground shot in the head mid sentence
 
Loved the ending, I'm so glad Jesse made it out alive and got to kill Todd.

I was hoping that the final scene would be Ed the Vacuum guy going up to the cabin and opening the barrel, only to find it's empty, before saying "son of a *****". (credits roll)
 
I think it's pretty clear he's gone.

Well, According to David Chase, "There was so much more to say than could have been conveyed by an image of Tony facedown in a bowl of onion rings with a bullet in his head. Or, on the other side, taking over the New York mob. The way I see it is that Tony Soprano had been peoples' alter ego. They had gleefully watched him rob, kill, pillage, lie, and cheat. They had cheered him on. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted to see him punished for all that. They wanted "justice." They wanted to see his brains splattered on the wall. I thought that was disgusting, frankly. [...] The pathetic thing—to me—was how much they wanted his blood, after cheering him on for eight years. This wasn't really about "leaving the door open." There was nothing definite about what happened, but there was a clean trend on view—a definite sense of what Tony and Carmela's future looks like. Whether it happened that night or some other night doesn't matter."
 
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