Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

[Irvy]

Skyfall ripped off TDK?

Nolan has confessed to being a Bond fan and if anything he has borrowed elements from those movies to put into his. I really hope they get him on board to direct one.

 

[GasparZizou]

You like Batman, so you should be OK with spy genre cheese.

Pass for logic on this board I guess.

But Bond is not supposed to be cheesy, cliché at times a maybe, but not cheesy.

 

[Niltusk]

But Bond is not supposed to be cheesy, cliché at times a maybe, but not cheesy.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[GasparZizou]

Oh, duh! Didn't get the sarcasm there

So much sarcasm in these boards is ruining my sarcas-o-meter

 

[Irvy]

I'd love to see a show following the Howling Commandos, band of brothers style. Have appearances of Cap here and there, RS etc.

 

[Silrian]

Skyfall ripped off TDK?

Nolan has confessed to being a Bond fan and if anything he has borrowed elements from those movies to put into his. I really hope they get him on board to direct one.

Of course Bond films have influenced Nolan's Batman, but Mendes literally stole plenty of beats from TDK in Skyfall. It was ridiculous. There have been solid write-ups from pro film critics clearly displaying this. And Mendes admitted he wouldn't have made the film had TDK not existed and was dodgy about any further questions about it. They stole most things that TDK was iconic for to make Bond make money again, it's ridiculous. Plot points, characters, Bardem was nothing but a fusion of Joker and Dent. The only good thing about Skyfall is Deakins, who's always brilliant at what he does.

Brad Brevet did the work for me: https://www.ropeofsilicon.com/quest...ely-it-mirrors-the-events-of-the-dark-knight/

"Skyfall played like a movie working inside the contemporary framework that made The Dark Knight so successful. They took a successful movie, tweaked it for their needs and have Bond back on his feet and making more money than the franchise could have ever thought possible. I just hope, now that we've gotten all the old characters we wanted established and this new Bond is now modernized and ready to work within contemporary expectations, the future of the Bond franchise will be as good as this film portends it to be and, as Broccoli says, actually come up with something new."

 

[Silrian]

My point is we're not in an era anymore where you compare action films to Bond, were in the era where mostly CB films are setting the standard for action films. And both Marvel and DC prove this imo. Regardless of what you think of any of these films, whether it's TDK, Iron Man, Man of Steel or Winter Soldier, no other action franchises top nor renew the genre like CB films do – if not just revitalise styles from decades ago into a modern form with new established material.

I remain of the opinion you genuinely insult Winter Soldier as a film by calling it a good Bond film if you mean the Craig films, that's just not how it is anymore. Bond is the one copying these days.
Until Bond makes a film that actually brings something new to the table, he's in my eyes an irrelevant franchise for the medium of action films, just there because there's a an established audience invested in it.

 

[The Ween]

Pfffft, James Bond. They needed to ripoff the dark knight to make that franchise even remotely appealing again. (Mendes freakin admitted it.)

James Bond is for old people's nostalgia, Between Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Bourne, Batman and every other god damn franchise that has elements of spy thrillers, use of gadgetry, quirky villains and suave leads, he has no relevance left. He's not necessary nor impressive anymore in the action genre. You can't make a conspiracy thriller anymore without tackling global issues and UK just doesn't have much relevance anymore in the globalised world run by america, the middle east, russia and china (I'm from neither of those countries). I'm sure British people like it and older generations, I know my older brother still does, but honestly, apart from nostalgia that franchise has nothing interesting to offer.

Winter Soldier > any Brosnan or Craig Bond film. And the rest is too old to compare.

Just because you don't care for something doesn't make it less relevant to others. Can you really compare the James Bond movies to Comic Book movies? Nah.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Just because you don't care for something doesn't make it less relevant to others. Can you really compare the James Bond movies to Comic Book movies? Nah.

I think so. Especially the classic Connery and Moore ones. You have one clever, gadget armed individual pitting himself against a supervillain armed with some futuristic weaponry in an exotic, high tech lair. How does that not sound like a comic book movie? The only difference between Bond and Batman or Bond and Iron Man is a Halloween costume.

 

[The Ween]

I think so. Especially the classic Connery and Moore ones. You have one clever, gadget armed individual pitting himself against a supervillain armed with some futuristic weaponry in an exotic, high tech lair. How does that not sound like a comic book movie? The only difference between Bond and Batman or Bond and Iron Man is a Halloween costume.

I think you look upon them differently. I don't know, Bond doesn't need the costume and can hold his own without gadgets, you can't say that too much for Batman or especially Iron Man. Iron Man IS the suit.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

This flick is badass. I am too lazy to post everything that i like about this movie because it would take so ****ing long and contain over 1000 words that nobody would be inclined to read. Its just easier to say that Captain America the winter soldier is one of the best action flicks to grace my eyes in some time and also one of the best comic inspired flicks ever. A few gripes:

Redford's character wasnt written very well and didn't seem like a villian other then pulling all the strings behind the scenes. Maybe Redford just isn't cut out for the villain role; he has played the nice/good guy far too much to be believable as a bad guy let alone have the ability to act like one even when he is trying. Widow constantly trying to hook cap up with chicks, while funny at first got old quickly. I mean i understand Cap really needs to get laid, he has been pent up way too long (80 years lol). If widow wants to get him laid so badly why doesn't she just do it!

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I'm a big Bond fan--I've seen and own all of the Bond films and know more about the franchise than I probably should. I also love comic book movies and see every one released. What strikes me is that James Bond used to be a talented spy that used whatever resources available to complete his mission. The older movies built a story as each one was released because there was one true enemy organization in the Bond universe. As the franchise has evolved, Bond HAS increasingly been portrayed as more of a superhero instead a spy. The gadgets play a much bigger part than they used to and the "spy missions" don't have smaller scale goals--everything ends up having immediate earth-shattering results if he doesn't succeed. I think it's because the Bond franchise has been sucked into the summer-blockbuster oh-my-god-did-you-see-that-action-sequence formula. Plus, gotta have that tech/car product placement because now you can actually buy stuff that's used in the films. Gotta compete with whatever movie series is popular at the moment so they don't miss out on any possible ticket sales.

The Craig films have started to get back to what makes Bond Bond--a lot of throwbacks to how it started--and people are complaining that his films aren't "Bond films" because they haven't actually seen a Bond film in a long time. I also think filmmakers copy each other like crazy. The Bond, Batman, and Iron Man franchises share certain aspects because they are relatable heroes. They all make you think that if you only trained or could buy that gadget you could be that hero. The differences between them used to be found in the type of stories told for each character. Those stories are just getting mashed together and elevated to superhero status.

 

[Brainiac]

This flick is badass. I am too lazy to post everything that i like about this movie because it would take so ****ing long and contain over 1000 words that nobody would be inclined to read. Its just easier to say that Captain America the winter soldier is one of the best action flicks to grace my eyes in some time and also one of the best comic inspired flicks ever. A few gripes:

Redford's character wasnt written very well and didn't seem like a villian other then pulling all the strings behind the scenes. Maybe Redford just isn't cut out for the villain role; he has played the nice/good guy far too much to be believable as a bad guy let alone have the ability to act like one even when he is trying. Widow constantly trying to hook cap up with chicks, while funny at first got old quickly. I mean i understand Cap really needs to get laid, he has been pent up way too long (80 years lol).

OMG greatest post ever especially ''If widow wants to get him laid so badly why doesn't she just do it!''

 

[the Doctor]

great movie,kept me guessing all the way through when most of the time I know whats going to happen.can't see how it could have been better.

 

[Silrian]

I think you look upon them differently. I don't know, Bond doesn't need the costume and can hold his own without gadgets, you can't say that too much for Batman or especially Iron Man. Iron Man IS the suit.

Uh, Bruce Wayne in his prime Batman years would beat the **** out of any Bond as far as I'm concerned. He's one of the best martial arts experts on the planet.

Steve Rogers winning from Bruce Wayne in a one on one fight with no utilities, I can buy that solely because of the super serum, but Bond? Give me a break.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

Uh, Bruce Wayne in his prime Batman years would beat the **** out of any Bond as far as I'm concerned. He's one of the best martial arts experts on the planet.

Steve Rogers winning from Bruce Wayne in a one on one fight with no utilities, I can buy that solely because of the super serum, but Bond? Give me a break.

They're just fictional characters, dude...

 

[karamazov80]

I don't know about a Bond/Batman fight. Bond is the ultimate survivor in his movies. He might find a way, even if it meant fighting dirty.

 

[Anzik]

One of the things I really enjoyed about TWS was the evolution of his fighting. Truly modern style of combinations of strategy and technique.

 

[Silrian]

I wanna see Girillo kick as as Crossbones, I was kinda bummed out when I realised he wasn't gonna do that in this film.

 

[Kibagami]

I wanna see Girillo kick as as Crossbones, I was kinda bummed out when I realised he wasn't gonna do that in this film.

I hope they do more with crossbones and keep the actor; he did well in his role.