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Re: Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier

This movie is going to be terrible! just like the 1st one

What if the movie were any good, would that make your life terrible?

awe someones upset :monkey2 dude if you thought the first one was "great" I can't imagine what your taste for movies is like. Take care creep.

You're like Ebert with a stronger jawline! Amaze us with your cinematic preferences!!! :horror

Arguing with you would be a big fat waist of my time. The movie was terrible period, get on with your life.

Guess I'll take your word for it that you need to lose some weight.
 
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captain america was my favorite solo marvel movie

the 2nd will be great too
 
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I loved the first, but am so far not invested in this. I loved the setting of TFA and feel the character works best in that time period, also I don't like Black Widow in the movies and she's back :(

The trailer will have to wow me for this to be a Cinema viewing.

Costuming looks fantastic though :rock
 
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Loved the first movie. Really liked Brubaker's run on Cap, so I hope the movie can match it. Winter Soldier is a bit blah looking there, but I assume he loses the full maks eventually and we get to see more of the bionic arm, which will lend a lot more visual interest.
 
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The biggest problem with 'First Avenger' is that half of the movie is spent creating the character, and half of the movie is spent "freezing" the character. There really needed a good additional chunk of time spent showing him BE the character. That montage just didn't cut it for me. An extra 10 - 20 minutes of action scenes could have gone a long way for that movie.

I think TFA was as good as it could be fitting everything into one movie. Two movies would've been cooler, but I don't think general audiences would've accepted 2 WWII Cap films. Get his origin out of the way, and get him on ice, that's the best way it could've be handled.

Also, Winter Soldier looks cool, does he have the bionic arm? Seems like he has a glove on one hand.
I get what YB is saying. It does seem like they kinda skipped over Cap really being Cap for much of that film, but. . .I also think they did the right move skipping through the origin and WWII in one film. The fact that he's a patriotic army guy isn't what makes Cap really interesting or distinctive in my eyes. It's the "man out of time" component, where we see how someone with the U.S. values and moral compass of the 1930s/40s deals with more "modern" issues. It has been a recurring theme from the '60s with the Avengers through the late-70s/early '80s (Cap's golden era of comics IMO), and continuing on today. He is motivated by something different than the other heroes, and that makes him compelling. In a way, it also makes him seem less like the reader, and while the trend in comic writing over the last 30 years or so has largely been the opposite (i.e., make characters the reader can really relate to and understand), I think there's a real attraction to someone like that. Hopefully the filmmakers here feel similarly. There's a damn good reason Cap and RDJ Stark don't really get along. They should be like oil and water because they epitomize different times and cultural moods. Stark is post-'60s, post-Watergate, post-"me" era of the '80s. Cap was there during the pinnacle of U.S. standing in the world, when things were less cynical, and people had more reason to believe in all those things about the U.S. than they do now.
 
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The tension worked good in Avengers.

But with no Stark in Cap 2, where will the moral compass turmoil be coming from.

Not Widow or Fury.

Maybe WS will lecture Cap on how great being a bad guy is.
 
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I get what YB is saying. It does seem like they kinda skipped over Cap really being Cap for much of that film, but. . .I also think they did the right move skipping through the origin and WWII in one film. The fact that he's a patriotic army guy isn't what makes Cap really interesting or distinctive in my eyes. It's the "man out of time" component, where we see how someone with the U.S. values and moral compass of the 1930s/40s deals with more "modern" issues. It has been a recurring theme from the '60s with the Avengers through the late-70s/early '80s (Cap's golden era of comics IMO), and continuing on today. He is motivated by something different than the other heroes, and that makes him compelling. In a way, it also makes him seem less like the reader, and while the trend in comic writing over the last 30 years or so has largely been the opposite (i.e., make characters the reader can really relate to and understand), I think there's a real attraction to someone like that. Hopefully the filmmakers here feel similarly. There's a damn good reason Cap and RDJ Stark don't really get along. They should be like oil and water because they epitomize different times and cultural moods. Stark is post-'60s, post-Watergate, post-"me" era of the '80s. Cap was there during the pinnacle of U.S. standing in the world, when things were less cynical, and people had more reason to believe in all those things about the U.S. than they do now.

I think there are 2 kinds of heroes, one that people see exaggerated traits of themselves and can project onto and the other is like Cap who epitomizes what we wish we could be. There is a line from a Cap arc back in the late 70's when he is doing something that is clearly impossible, but the narrations says "But this is Captain America, and he does the impossible."
 
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The tension worked good in Avengers.

But with no Stark in Cap 2, where will the moral compass turmoil be coming from.

Not Widow or Fury.

Maybe WS will lecture Cap on how great being a bad guy is.
Well it doesn't have to come from a specific person. It's the times. With Winter Soldier though it's actually very easy because he was a product, largely, of the Cold War, which was a time when politics became very gray--the U.S. supporting fascist dictators in order to stave off the "spread of communism"; Vietnam; Nixon doing very un-Presidential things and ruining folks' faith in the system; trading weapons with enemies for hostages; the prospect of nuclear catastrophe making any conventional conflict with the U.S.'s direct enemy an act of suicide; etc. Winter Soldier in the comics wasn't really evil. He was an agent of an enemy state that epitomized that grayness.
 
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Plus I think we'll get a lot of Cap getting adjusted to the current world, we really didn't get that an Avengers, sans the deleted scenes. Then he'll have to deal with the fact that his best friend who he thought was dead is in fact alive and responsible for some of the worst crimes for the past 6 decades, assuming that they follow the Brubaker stuff.

There's plenty of conflict for Cap 2.
 
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Plus I think we'll get a lot of Cap getting adjusted to the current world, we really didn't get that an Avengers, sans the deleted scenes. Then he'll have to deal with the fact that his best friend who he thought was dead is in fact alive and responsible for some of the worst crimes for the past 6 decades, assuming that they follow the Brubaker stuff.

There's plenty of conflict for Cap 2.

Yup, like if he should buy the Xbox One or not.

You're right, should be good.
 
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Yup, like if he should buy the Xbox One or not.

You're right, should be good.

PS4 FTW!!!

Since he's Captain AMERICA...I think he'll go for the Xbox...but I don't know...those restrictions my seem a bit Nazi for his liking....then again...it is capitalism at work! UMURICA!
 
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I get what YB is saying. It does seem like they kinda skipped over Cap really being Cap for much of that film, but. . .I also think they did the right move skipping through the origin and WWII in one film. The fact that he's a patriotic army guy isn't what makes Cap really interesting or distinctive in my eyes. It's the "man out of time" component, where we see how someone with the U.S. values and moral compass of the 1930s/40s deals with more "modern" issues. It has been a recurring theme from the '60s with the Avengers through the late-70s/early '80s (Cap's golden era of comics IMO), and continuing on today. He is motivated by something different than the other heroes, and that makes him compelling. In a way, it also makes him seem less like the reader, and while the trend in comic writing over the last 30 years or so has largely been the opposite (i.e., make characters the reader can really relate to and understand), I think there's a real attraction to someone like that. Hopefully the filmmakers here feel similarly. There's a damn good reason Cap and RDJ Stark don't really get along. They should be like oil and water because they epitomize different times and cultural moods. Stark is post-'60s, post-Watergate, post-"me" era of the '80s. Cap was there during the pinnacle of U.S. standing in the world, when things were less cynical, and people had more reason to believe in all those things about the U.S. than they do now.

Very, very well put. :duff
 
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