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no women of color.

Name three Marvel could use. Within reason and within their film rights.
(I'm not being a ****, I literally cannot think of any)

Also, Falcon only has one appearance under his belt. I'm sure in Civil War he will have a Hawkeye sized role(being on the main roster now). Same as War Machine. And then you got Black Panther. Things are looking better!

As for your hopes of Sam becoming the new Cap... I would be interested ONLY IF he keeps his wings!
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(More Captain Canada if you ask me. :lol)
 
I think Bucky would be a better Cap than Sam and it has nothing to do with race. Better character IMO. I always thought Falcon's costume looked kind of goofy in the comics, they did make him look cool in the movies!
 
I don't think Sam would work well as Cap in these movies... He does have a tactical mindset but he's not the same person in the movies as he is in the comics. All 4 of the new avengers can fly, and that makes him kinda obsolete IMO, but I do want him to stick around... I love that red uniform concept art though. Hopefully they incorporate Redwing at some point.
 
Name three Marvel could use. Within reason and within their film rights.
(I'm not being a ****, I literally cannot think of any)

Also, Falcon only has one appearance under his belt. I'm sure in Civil War he will have a Hawkeye sized role(being on the main roster now). Same as War Machine. And then you got Black Panther. Things are looking better!

As for your hopes of Sam becoming the new Cap... I would be interested ONLY IF he keeps his wings!
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(More Captain Canada if you ask me. :lol)

Monica Rambeau - former Captain Marvel
Ava Ayala - White Tiger
Suri - T'Challa's Sister and the Current Black Panther in comics
Misty Knight
Kamala Khan - Granted with the Inhumans coming she could stem from that

Black Panther is the only one of those 3 getting a solo film. Rhodey and Sam sidekicks. The only way Sam gets his own film is if he takes over for Cap.
 
Yeah I can agree with this though I highly doubt they're gonna kill Bucky. I'd actually not want them to kill anyone in this movie. Kinda makes me sad that everyone expects at least someone to die in these movies now.

I hope not. I've just seen his name batted around as a possible death, and if Evans wants to stay on as Cap, do they have alternate plans for Bucky or not? That's what bothers me. I would rather be excited and anticipating this movie than worried they're going to kill off a favorite MCU character after he (and his super talented actor) gets barely ANY significant screen time. There's so much more potential with the character and the actor, killing him in Civil War would be such a waste, and such an unsatisfying conclusion to TWS. At least Steve would come back if they "killed" him. Bucky's death would be permanent and I'm not here for that.

I feel the same over all in regard to a major character death. I don't think it's needed in Civil War or to move the story forward. There are always other ways to write.

I get such joy out of these films overall and I would like to keep it that way. "Which character will die now?" is not a game I would care for this universe to play.
 
I hope not. I've just seen his name batted around as a possible death, and if Evans wants to stay on as Cap, do they have alternate plans for Bucky or not? That's what bothers me. I would rather be excited and anticipating this movie than worried they're going to kill off a favorite MCU character after he (and his super talented actor) gets barely ANY significant screen time. There's so much more potential with the character and the actor, killing him in Civil War would be such a waste, and such an unsatisfying conclusion to TWS. At least Steve would come back if they "killed" him. Bucky's death would be permanent and I'm not here for that.

I feel the same over all in regard to a major character death. I don't think it's needed in Civil War or to move the story forward. There are always other ways to write.

I get such joy out of these films overall and I would like to keep it that way. "Which character will die now?" is not a game I would care for this universe to play.

Sebastian Stan is signed on for a total of 9 Marvel films (Civil War will be his 3rd) so I don't think they're gonna kill off the Winter Soldier. Evans only signed on for 6 films (Civil War will be his 5th).

‘Captain America 2′ Actor Sebastian Stan has 9-Picture Marvel Deal
 
Though I agree with your sentiment about a lack of diversity in the MCU, it's not all on them as there is a lack of source characters. Yes there are those you listed. But those are not characters that would really bring people in. It's hard to expect them to do what most society doesn't. Unfortunately. And you also have the same thing you are asking for as a motivation. You want someone that looks like you, and you can't expect less from those making these. And most of those folks are white men. Just pointing it out.

I too would love a poc my daughter could look to. But I think that will require a better/bigger character then marvel has right now.

(And to be clear I come from a mixed family both white and black, I was married twice once to a white girl and once to a black/PR girl, I have a mixed child. i have two "best" friends, guys I can call anytime for any reason and they are there, one is black and one is white...so I'm not coming from a bias either way)
 
Though I agree with your sentiment about a lack of diversity in the MCU, it's not all on them as there is a lack of source characters. Yes there are those you listed. But those are not characters that would really bring people in. It's hard to expect them to do what most society doesn't. Unfortunately. And you also have the same thing you are asking for as a motivation. You want someone that looks like you, and you can't expect less from those making these. And most of those folks are white men. Just pointing it out.

I too would love a poc my daughter could look to. But I think that will require a better/bigger character then marvel has right now.

(And to be clear I come from a mixed family both white and black, I was married twice once to a white girl and once to a black/PR girl, I have a mixed child. i have two "best" friends, guys I can call anytime for any reason and they are there, one is black and one is white...so I'm not coming from a bias either way)

Oh, Kamala Khan will DEFINITELY bring people in.
 
Sebastian Stan is signed on for a total of 9 Marvel films (Civil War will be his 3rd) so I don't think they're gonna kill off the Winter Soldier. Evans only signed on for 6 films (Civil War will be his 5th).

‘Captain America 2′ Actor Sebastian Stan has 9-Picture Marvel Deal

Yeah, I've read that he does. But I can't help but wonder if they only did that in case Evans doesn't resign (to be able to go in the Bucky Cap direction) and if Evans decides to keep going, do they have other plans for Bucky? Will they still utilize the character? I would think that they wouldn't be so foolish kill the character considering they barely scratched the surface with him, but :dunno
 
Though I agree with your sentiment about a lack of diversity in the MCU, it's not all on them as there is a lack of source characters. Yes there are those you listed. But those are not characters that would really bring people in. It's hard to expect them to do what most society doesn't. Unfortunately. And you also have the same thing you are asking for as a motivation. You want someone that looks like you, and you can't expect less from those making these. And most of those folks are white men. Just pointing it out.

I too would love a poc my daughter could look to. But I think that will require a better/bigger character then marvel has right now.

(And to be clear I come from a mixed family both white and black, I was married twice once to a white girl and once to a black/PR girl, I have a mixed child. i have two "best" friends, guys I can call anytime for any reason and they are there, one is black and one is white...so I'm not coming from a bias either way)

Neither is Ant-Man. And no one outside of comic geeks even knew about Guardians of the Galaxy until that film released. So your point holds no water. Out side of Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, and Wolverine the general public did not give a crap about any of these characters. But great story telling on film creates an audience. Blade wasn't even an ongoing comic before the Wesley Snipes film. All it takes is vision and a willingness to commit. Marvel seems to lack the guts to do that when it comes to POC. 20freaking18 before we get a POC in a lead role??? Yet the talking raccoon and tree were deemed useful. It sucks! Comics are a booming industry. DC is spinning shows out left and right, and yet they still have yet to introduce a POC as a hero. We are all over the support staff characters. I can't wait for my little boy to see black Jimmy Olsen and realize that while he can't be a hero, he can take pictures of them. Marvel is the same. At this stage Marvel could release anything and it would be a hit. Yet they refuse to acknowledge that even their own world extends beyond straight white males. And not to be an ass, but white men have had a nice long run. There are literally thousands of films, tv shows, books, video games with a white male as the hero. It would be nice to see other represented is all I am saying.

And when talking about comic sales affecting the films: Miles Morales and Kamala Khan both outsell Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Inhumans, GOTG. Yet neither of them are even on deck.
 
At least Blade gave you a black super hero for three films, and bar none my favorite of any and all the comic book heroes shown on film ever btw. :rock

How about a Spaniard super hero next? ;)
 
Dude has a point. I think if Marvel puts their mind to it, they can do almost any character justice if they truly desire it.

Heck, I never would have known about the modern Guardians of the Galaxy if I didn't first read about them in "Annihilation: Conquest", which honestly, can be attributed to Ultron being the main baddie in that story more than anything else really. :lol
 
Dude, not even some comic book geeks knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy were until the movie was announced. :rotfl I'd LOVE to see Kamala Khan on screen eventually, but you definitely need Captain Marvel to happen first, which is what we're getting. I think Runaways would be great as well. Lots of diversity on that team as well.

Hell, we were supposed to get a Runaways movie. Marvel Studios had a script done and even held casting calls, but The Avengers became the number one priority at the time and was put aside.

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Neither is Ant-Man. And no one outside of comic geeks even knew about Guardians of the Galaxy until that film released. So your point holds no water. Out side of Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, and Wolverine the general public did not give a crap about any of these characters. But great story telling on film creates an audience. Blade wasn't even an ongoing comic before the Wesley Snipes film. All it takes is vision and a willingness to commit. Marvel seems to lack the guts to do that when it comes to POC. 20freaking18 before we get a POC in a lead role??? Yet the talking raccoon and tree were deemed useful. It sucks! Comics are a booming industry. DC is spinning shows out left and right, and yet they still have yet to introduce a POC as a hero. We are all over the support staff characters. I can't wait for my little boy to see black Jimmy Olsen and realize that while he can't be a hero, he can take pictures of them. Marvel is the same. At this stage Marvel could release anything and it would be a hit. Yet they refuse to acknowledge that even their own world extends beyond straight white males. And not to be an ass, but white men have had a nice long run. There are literally thousands of films, tv shows, books, video games with a white male as the hero. It would be nice to see other represented is all I am saying.

And when talking about comic sales affecting the films: Miles Morales and Kamala Khan both outsell Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Inhumans, GOTG. Yet neither of them are even on deck.

My point may not hold water for you, but the characters you brought up, I've never heard of half of them. And I am a comic geek. Thousands of issues, thousands of collectibles, and I do the whole CBM stuff (well movies in general but prefer those) as a living these days. But I had heard of GotG, which by the way had a black women in it, playing a green chick, blue guys, pink guys, purple guys, so tossing that movie into your group of films that no one heard of that didn't have poc was pretty off the mark.

And your first post about this brought up how you wanted to see someone like you, but totally dismissed that as a valid reason for white folks to do something. That's hypocritical. Just becuase there are movies in the past with white people in them doesn't change that if you happen to be white and are making a movie you may feel you want a project YOU work on that takes you away from YOUR family to connect on that same way (the way you brought up) to YOUR family. Lots as valid a reason as yours. That's all I'm saying.

To address what you said about blade...TMNT wasnt a successful ongoing comic franchise when it got its movie either. But the story was there, the characters where already developed. Blade was a fully fleshed out character with a fully fleshed out universe. Is he superman, or the hulk, no. But he's also not a third year character in his own books. And he has cross platform interest, as in vampire/horror. Most people at the time had zero idea it was even a comic. Most thought it was horror. But I would bet most people that read are a lot more familiar with blade:day walker then most of the characters you listed.

I completly, again, agree with the sentiment that there needs to be more diversity in the industry as a whole. So, maybe look at what I'm saying as an explanation not defense. I didn't say it was right there are no poc. I simply explained why.

And just tossing out any character just becuase they are of color isn't the route either. You brought up antman...no, not a huge following. But not near as unknown as the characters you mentioned (he's on the cover of avengers 1). But even marvel has admitted hes a gamble(part of why they used Douglas and Rudd to bank on the star power). And they actually (from what I heard) considered using someone of color in the movie on rudds role. But becuase of the nature of the story they didn't want the first black lead hero to be a convict. So they couldn't do it there. As I pointed out GotG has plenty of real (Zoe. Or half the actual actors used on screen in the main team) and alien colors. As for the others...let's see...which one could they have replaced...probably none. Which of the current or upcoming films (until 2018 as u mentioned) would you have replaced with a poc?

As for your crack about taking photos...I do think we live in a world where the president of the United states, elected two terms, is black. So, me personally, when my daughter of color asks me what can I do? I'll tell her she can do anything she wants, and point to that. And then if she wants to see a poc as a super hero I'll show her one of the movies you dismissed, GotG, and show her black people and green people and blue people are the same. The outside doesn't matter. It's what's on the inside. And if she wants to know if she can be an actress, there Zoe. And there's lawrence fishburn and Samuel Jackson and Wesley snipes. And others. Or maybe the fantastic four where the family looks like hers. Mixed. Forgot about that one, which happens to come out in 2015. A few years before 2018. So, I think she's got options. Would it be better if there where more, sure. But I'm not gonna be mad that no one had the guts to make superman black. Or the hulk Asian. Or thor Iraqi. And I'm not going to get mad when a white person wants to make a super hero for his kid, that looks like or can relate better to him/her, if I am going to allow for the same thing from any other race. Sorry.
 
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