Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[moose]

As I have said many times Marvel doesn't do anything really drastic with their heroes - even if the wipe out one thay can bring him back later but they won't even do that with a major character, thus the level of threat and real implications of battle never seem real. I'm getting bored with that and maybe why they need to make better stories with real peril for their heroes.

I understand that these characters are major investments and therefore they have to maximize their potential and I guess they have their brand and movie making style , family friendly, and a result they are bound by certain constraints. I guess I am just looking for a little spice sure it'd sweet but eating chocolate every day gets boring.

I would settle for a truly menacing villain as much time and effort that they invest in heroes and if they can't go all the way dark and gritty at least they can give us worthwhile villians.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

But how does DC do it any more?

Even **i***** Cap died in this (I'm doubting that he does), everybody would just want him back for infinity wars. I would. You need Captain America for such an epic story. It should be all iconic hands on deck.

Now disney does love to throw in death scenes when the opportunity arises...but when you have these longterm plans with different characters or groups coming together eventually...it kind of dampens the possibilities for lasting character deaths.

We know RDJ and Evans are winding down contracts. I'd imagine conversations about how disney/marvel will move on from those actirs/characters will take place at those times. Why kill one if they are contracted for 3 more movies?

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[bboy]

its not so much killing characters like the main superheroes, but hawkeye could have died and it would have been a good death. Coulson could have stayed dead. And sam jacksons fakeout death had me rolling my eyes the second it happened. Its also things like Iron Man quitting being iron man then being iron man again the next summer. I'm sure they explained it but bleh.

Also how many times has someone been brainwashed and fought their friends? lmao. I'm sure it sounds like nitpicking but those are just some of the coomplaints I have. At least I know the action will look good, if not overly choreographed and cgi. As for being a huge fan of badass female spies its unbelievable how emotional black widow is even though "she was trained to be a monster"

 

[Darkseed]

its not so much killing characters like the main superheroes, but hawkeye could have died and it would have been a good death. Coulson could have stayed dead. And sam jacksons fakeout death had me rolling my eyes the second it happened. Its also things like Iron Man quitting being iron man then being iron man again the next summer. I'm sure they explained it but bleh.

Also how many times has someone been brainwashed and fought their friends? lmao. I'm sure it sounds like nitpicking but those are just some of the coomplaints I have. At least I know the action will look good, if not overly choreographed and cgi. As for being a huge fan of badass female spies its unbelievable how emotional black widow is even though "she was trained to be a monster"

I guess it's the Gotham in me but I enjoy them all. We've been thru multiple versions of Batman some kill, some don't kill....multiple versions of Superman some happy, some sad...multiple versions of Spiderman some good, some bad....no real distinct variance in character but I watch them all.

 

[MaulFan]

I'm curious where people got the idea Tony quit being Iron Man in Iron Man 3. Going off his final dialogue, I walked away with a message that Tony had previously felt that Iron Man the hero was a suit, that without his suits he was nothing, hence why he made dozens to help him be the hero he wanted to be, but achieving what he did without suits taught him that his mind and who he is are the hero, hence the cocoon analogy. And I took it not that he wouldn't ever make suits again, but that he felt confident with or without them and was a changed man, and I'd say that's where we find him in Ultron, working with Banner on tech like Ultron and the Iron Legion and more or less finding a way to protect the world where he doesn't need to be Iron Man to do it, but when necessary he will, such as helping to rid the world of Hydra and the Chitauri.

Tony's evolution is a mix of blatant and subtle changes.

I'm sure plenty of people don't interpret it like I do, but that's how I've seen it and why I love the MCU because I've seen a lot of change and growth in the characters and when you look at the big picture, I find it a very engaging series.

I even accept Widow and Banner's love story, he represents the opposite ideologies of her upbringing and would be very attractive for that, and she represents the compassion and calm he's been without since Hulk came between him and Betty. Sure the classic love for Bruce is Betty, but you can fall for more than one person and by the end of Incredible Hulk, I felt Banner deemed it necessary to keep distant from Betty and after years of running and trying to control Hulk, I could see him learning to block out his feelings for her to a point he almost forgets her.

 

[bboy]

I guess it's the Gotham in me but I enjoy them all. We've been thru multiple versions of Batman some kill, some don't kill....multiple versions of Superman some happy, some sad...multiple versions of Spiderman some good, some bad....no real distinct variance in character but I watch them all.

yeah but aren't these essentially sequels of one run on story?

 

[bboy]

I'm curious where people got the idea Tony quit being Iron Man in Iron Man 3. Going off his final dialogue, I walked away with a message that Tony had previously felt that Iron Man the hero was a suit, that without his suits he was nothing, hence why he made dozens to help him be the hero he wanted to be, but achieving what he did without suits taught him that his mind and who he is are the hero, hence the cocoon analogy. And I took it not that he wouldn't ever make suits again, but that he felt confident with or without them and was a changed man, and I'd say that's where we find him in Ultron, working with Banner on tech like Ultron and the Iron Legion and more or less finding a way to protect the world where he doesn't need to be Iron Man to do it, but when necessary he will, such as helping to rid the world of Hydra and the Chitauri.

Tony's evolution is a mix of blatant and subtle changes.

I'm sure plenty of people don't interpret it like I do, but that's how I've seen it and why I love the MCU because I've seen a lot of change and growth in the characters and when you look at the big picture, I find it a very engaging series.

I even accept Widow and Banner's love story, he represents the opposite ideologies of her upbringing and would be very attractive for that, and she represents the compassion and calm he's been without since Hulk came between him and Betty. Sure the classic love for Bruce is Betty, but you can fall for more than one person and by the end of Incredible Hulk, I felt Banner deemed it necessary to keep distant from Betty and after years of running and trying to control Hulk, I could see him learning to block out his feelings for her to a point he almost forgets her.

I actually don't mind hulk/widow. I think if you squish all the movies together you can see impressive character growth but in each movie itself they come across a little bland.

I only saw IM3 once, thankgod, but I'm almost positive he quit. (almost the same time batman quit

 

[Darkseed]

yeah but aren't these essentially sequels of one run on story?

yes......but as an audience we have been conditioned to accept this style of film making. Bats is the same story, with the same motivation, with the same villains only portrayed by different actors. Keaton, Bale or Affleck it's a rich guy who's parents where killed who dresses like a Bat beats up bad guys. Burton, Nolan and Snyder telling the exact same story with their spin on it. If we can turn out to watch that story over and over, it's pretty simple to believe we will endure these plot lines over and over.

 

[MaulFan]

That's a challenge with the MCU, I think the writing sometimes focuses on the overall series and making the characters fit that, but at times lacking in the single, immediate story.

 

[bboy]

yes......but as an audience we have been conditioned to accept this style of film making. Bats is the same story, with the same motivation, with the same villains only portrayed by different actors. Keaton, Bale or Affleck it's a rich guy who's parents where killed who dresses like a Bat beats up bad guys. Burton, Nolan and Snyder telling the exact same story with their spin on it. If we can turn out to watch that story over and over, it's pretty simple to believe we will endure these plot lines over and over.

Idk most bats films feel entirely different story wise and focus wise. In fact they are probably the most diverse of all the reboots and sequels. The good ones have pretty good stand alone stories.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

If there is a marvel film I loathe it's Iron Man 3. Some of the things that happen in it are pretty jarring and so unlike the other films that it doesn't quite feel like it fits into the bigger film series. Like it's a parody of the genre instead.

But as far the psyche of the character, you really get a sense of the damage it's doing to Tony. He does what he feels like he must to be the long, but it's getting to the point where I could see Tony really hit rock bottom and get into the drug use.

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[Darkseed]

Idk most bats films feel entirely different story wise and focus wise. In fact they are probably the most diverse of all the reboots and sequels. The good ones have pretty good stand alone stories.

We will disagree.....the story has remained the same as described. Visually and performances they may be different. Don't get me wrong, I love Bats and I enjoyed most of the films, I think the genre has a cap to how far it can evolve. While the films have evolved since Supes (77), it's basically the same rehash over and over for both brands. It's more how one chooses to present their story versus the other.

 

[bboy]

We will disagree.....the story has remained the same as described. Visually and performances they may be different. Don't get me wrong, I love Bats and I enjoyed most of the films, I think the genre has a cap to how far it can evolve. While the films have evolved since Supes (77), it's basically the same rehash over and over for both brands. It's more how one chooses to present their story versus the other.

I suppose. But a hero is only as interesting as his villain and I think that's a huge plus towards the batman movies. The first two batman movies were more like the villains movies.


Speaking of villains I don't think ive been as disappointed as I was when I found out bucky was just brainwashed to become the villain. Is that how it happened in the comics? I figured you'd know with your pic and all.

 

[Darkseed]

I have no idea, I haven't read comics in a long, long time . Which I am finding a good thing as I can enjoy these movies on their own merit instead of comparing them to the source material.

 

[bboy]

come on though, you have to admit it be way cooler if he came back with a vengeance against cap and his superfriends. Maybe a bit stereotypical, but not as stereotypical as being brainwashed

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Speculation at its finest

 

[IrishJedi]

The problem with that is that the Bucky established in TFA would never turn on hid friends. Brainwashing was the only real out.

 

[Darkseed]

come on though, you have to admit it be way cooler if he came back with a vengeance against cap and his superfriends. Maybe a bit stereotypical, but not as stereotypical as being brainwashed

anything is possible.....we've already seen Supes get duped into fighting Bats over his mom so brainwashing is quite logical

 

[bboy]

The problem with that is that the Bucky established in TFA would never turn on hid friends. Brainwashing was the only real out.

yeah that I can see being an issue. But they could have had the brainwashed thing a little more subtle. Not exactly strapped to a chair with a riddler thing brainwashing him. But maybe slowly being convinced by a bigger hitler like character, being lied to and what not. Idk I'm just making s*** up. Not only would it make bucky a bit cooler, but also made for a menacing villain who does it to bucky. Also, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm surprised no one sh*** on the horrendous flashbacks in winter soldier, I found them pretty laughable.

alright after reading that post I see the similarities between that and BVS. But it's work better with bucky with all the time in between.

 

[Darkseed]

I dunno....I enjoyed Bucky as a villian along with the conflict he brought to Steve.