Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[GasparZizou]

Mmm...

"In his first appearance Luthor is depicted as a diabolical genius.
He is shown with a full head of red hair."

Yup, you may not like it but that definitely is a Lex Luthor version.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Mmm...

"In his first appearance Luthor is depicted as a diabolical genius.
He is shown with a full head of red hair."

Exactly. Forget the small details, it essentially is the character.

 

[Khev]

question for those that know the comics, I keep hearing people refer to Zemo as Baron Zemo,

Spoiler

but it's stated in the film that his name is Helmut Zemo, is Baron a code name that he has when he puts the suit on or something?

Pretty much. Helmut or Heinrich Zemo is his alter ego name and Baron Zemo is his villain name (kind of like Johann Schmidt aka Red Skull, etc.) He's an original Golden Age villain that Stan Lee retroactively said was responsible for the bomb that went off on the plane that originally "killed" Bucky.

 

[chewblacca]

Since the Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium weave does that mean it can take a repulsed blast from Ironman?

 

[Khev]

My favorite line of the movie was also Giant-Man related, when Tony said "Okay does anyone on MY team have any awesome and totally surprising powers you'd like to share right now?"

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Since the Black Panther's suit is made of vibranium weave does that mean it can take a repulsed blast from Ironman?

He should, yes I think to a certain extent. but in the comics Vibranium absorbs impact. I'm even surprised Widow's Bite slowed him down even momentarily. In the comics he's taken Iron Fist's chi punch and Namors blast. I guess it depends on how they want to level him out in the films. He's also supposed to have energy daggers and weapons that he doesn't show any hint at in Civil War so maybe they toned him down a bit in the mcu so he can't just run through everybody.

But Iron man has much stronger suits than he does in the movies. The extremis suit is crazy powerful. And he's a genius as well. I think with prep they could be 50/50.


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[GodzillaSpawn]

My favorite line of the movie was also Giant-Man related, when Tony said "Okay does anyone on MY team have any awesome and totally surprising powers you'd like to share right now?"

That was a great line.

As for humor I loved "can you move your seat up?" And "you have the right to remain silent!"



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[Khev]

'Captain America: Civil War' conquers box office again with $72.6M

The A-list money team-up of George Clooney andJulia Roberts couldn't foil the monster duo of Captain America and Iron Man.The superhero blockbuster Captain America: Civil War conquered all at the box office for a second weekend in a row, pulling in $72.6 million and running its domestic total to $295.9 million.

Globally, Civil War zoomed past $940 million, making it the third consecutive Disney release this year (after Zootopia and The Jungle Book) to surpass $800 million. It also helped the Marvel Cinematic Universe to reach a combined $10 billion in eight years from 13 movies

Wow, it already made more than BVS

So much for AoU being the "beginning of the end" as some were claiming last year.

 

[Victοr]

question for those that know the comics, I keep hearing people refer to Zemo as Baron Zemo,

Spoiler

but it's stated in the film that his name is Helmut Zemo, is Baron a code name that he has when he puts the suit on or something?

Helmut Zemo is the son of Heinrich Zemo, and the 13th Baron Zemo. As revealed in Nicieza's "Thunderbolts Presents: Baron Zemo - Born Better", the lineage goes waaay back, to the 1400s. The first "Baron", Harbin Zemo, was essentially a peasant, who, when his town was attacked by Slav raiders, defended it all alone. Impressed with his courage, the Emperor of the Roman Empire, declared him Baron. And thus, the Baron Zemo lineage began.

Helmut's father, Heinrich, was the WW2 Zemo, and Hitler's prized scientist, capable of creating the most imaginative and horrific devices. It was later retconned that he was responsible for setting off the rocket that "killed" Bucky. That took place in Castle Zemo, during the closing days of the war.

Helmut himself began his career as "The Phoenix", a one-and-done villain who wanted revenge from Captain America for the death of his father. He fell down a vat of acide, and was never heard from again. Fast forward about a decade or so later, and he hit the scene as Baron Zemo. He's responsible for the best Masters of Evil story-line "Under Siege", and perhaps his most notable accomplishment is the creation of the Thunderbolts.

Character-Wise, he started as a straight-up Nazi, who progressively became less of a ****, and more understanding. Even when he was a "good" guy during Civil War's T-Bolts, he still was prejudiced, for the most part. During "Born Better" he abandoned those ideals, and set off to create a better legacy for the Zemos, through his deeds. That was never really followed upon, and the next time we saw him, he was up to his evil ways. He still remains rather "normal", and his goals are more "altruistic", as evident in both All-New Captain America and Avengers Undercover. Think of him as Doctor Doom, without such a big superiority complex. The main themes of his stories are usually redemption (Brubaker's Captain America, Hawkeye: Blindspot) and establish peace through control.

 

[Khev]

Honestly I was never a huge fan of Zemo in the comics as far as Cap villains go. I prefered the Skull (obviously,) Madame Hydra, the Serpent Society, John Walker/Super-Patriot, and Crossbones. Batroc and Zemo were two of my least favorite villains and the Russos made them both awesome.

 

[jnmx2000]

Helmut Zemo is the son of Heinrich Zemo, and the 13th Baron Zemo. As revealed in Nicieza's "Thunderbolts Presents: Baron Zemo - Born Better", the lineage goes waaay back, to the 1400s. The first "Baron", Harbin Zemo, was essentially a peasant, who, when his town was attacked by Slav raiders, defended it all alone. Impressed with his courage, the Emperor of the Roman Empire, declared him Baron. And thus, the Baron Zemo lineage began.

Helmut's father, Heinrich, was the WW2 Zemo, and Hitler's prized scientist, capable of creating the most imaginative and horrific devices. It was later retconned that he was responsible for setting off the rocket that "killed" Bucky. That took place in Castle Zemo, during the closing days of the war.

Helmut himself began his career as "The Phoenix", a one-and-done villain who wanted revenge from Captain America for the death of his father. He fell down a vat of acide, and was never heard from again. Fast forward about a decade or so later, and he hit the scene as Baron Zemo. He's responsible for the best Masters of Evil story-line "Under Siege", and perhaps his most notable accomplishment is the creation of the Thunderbolts.

Character-Wise, he started as a straight-up Nazi, who progressively became less of a ****, and more understanding. Even when he was a "good" guy during Civil War's T-Bolts, he still was prejudiced, for the most part. During "Born Better" he abandoned those ideals, and set off to create a better legacy for the Zemos, through his deeds. That was never really followed upon, and the next time we saw him, he was up to his evil ways. He still remains rather "normal", and his goals are more "altruistic", as evident in both All-New Captain America and Avengers Undercover. Think of him as Doctor Doom, without such a big superiority complex. The main themes of his stories are usually redemption (Brubaker's Captain America, Hawkeye: Blindspot) and establish peace through control.

Hell yea, that sounds awesome, I could see Marvel doing a masters of evil avengers film where Baron gathers a group of super villains to take down the avengers after Infinity War. It seems to me they are planting the seeds for post Thanos. And put me in the group that thinks Red Skull is still alive and will return and team up with Zemo in a film.

 

[Victοr]

Honestly I was never a huge fan of Zemo in the comics as far as Cap villains go. I prefered the Skull (obviously,) Madame Hydra, the Serpent Society, John Walker/Super-Patriot, and Crossbones. Batroc and Zemo were two of my least favorite villains and the Russos made them both awesome.

Whaaa---? For me, Zemo was the best, and I actually really like Cap's Rogues. I could never get into Cap like I could get into, say, Ghost Rider, but his Rogue's Gallery is awesome. Top 5 for me for sure. I much prefer them to the very boring Flash ones, or the relatively mediocre GL ones. They have some nice exceptions (Sinestro, Zoom), but I never really liked them. For me, my Top 5 would probably be:

1) Batman: Mr. Freeze, Ras, Joker, Bane, etc, etc. Batman's villains are so good, they could carry solos all by themselves.

2) Spider-Man: Norman Osborn, Doc Ock, Carnage, Venom, even Boomerang (thank you Spencer) and Morbius are damn great. Spidey's got some stinkers hence why Batman takes the top spot.

3) Fantastic Four: Doctor DOOM (!), Galactus (+ his Heralds), Annihilus, Namor, they're all classics!

4) X-Men: Mr. Sinister, Apocalypse, Magneto, Stryfe, Mystique, the Acolytes, the Hellfire Club, the X-Men have tons and tons of very interesting and complex bad guys and gals.

5) Captain America: Zemo, Skull, Crossbones, Madame HYDRA/Viper, Zola, etc, etc. Cap's rogues may not be as well known, but they're some of my favourites.

Honourable Mention: Superman (Darkseid, Lex Luthor)

 

[Victοr]

Hell yea, that sounds awesome, I could see Marvel doing a masters of evil avengers film where Baron gathers a group of super villains to take down the avengers after Infinity War. It seems to me they are planting the seeds for post Thanos. And put me in the group that thinks Red Skull is still alive and will return and team up with Zemo in a film.

Personally, I'd rather see something like Thunderbolts. Dark Reign is pretty much my favourite era, so I'd love to see Zemo lead his very own "legit" squad of super-humans, thinking that is he hols their reins, they might be useful to society. Having the good guys be the outlaws and the bad guys the law would be very interesting to see.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Personally, I'd rather see something like Thunderbolts. Dark Reign is pretty much my favourite era, so I'd love to see Zemo lead his very own "legit" squad of super-humans, thinking that is he hols their reins, they might be useful to society. Having the good guys be the outlaws and the bad guys the law would be very interesting to see.

Thunderbolts would be interesting

 

[Victοr]

Thunderbolts would be interesting

My favourite T-Bolts are the OzBolts, but that might be too similar to the Suicide Squad. It'd be better if they went with the Original Team and premise.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So much for AoU being the "beginning of the end" as some were claiming last year.

Yup, other than the Mario Bros, there is no other team that's more consistent, and because of that the Russo bros will always get my money...until they drop the ball

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Yup, other than the Mario Bros, there is no other team that's more consistent, and because of that the Russo bros will always get my money...until they drop the ball

Guardians seem to be doing quite well

 

[Khev]

Yup, other than the Mario Bros, there is no other team that's more consistent, and because of that the Russo bros will always get my money.

They really are kind of a dream team for these types of movies. Joe has said that he's been collecting comics since he was 10 (1981) and seems to know all the great high points for Marvel characters going way back into random one-offs from the 70's and 80's. He and Anthony are always pitching their best ideas to each other, vetoing the crap, and trying to defer to the best idea for any given sequence. Though how the Sam Wilson jump slipped through is anyone's guess I suppose. Maybe it was a Feige thing. We'll see how long they continue in that vein but the two of them together really weathered a massive production that would have given Whedon cardiac arrest and so far they haven't given any indication that they're "worn out."

After Inifinity War I'm really looking forward to seeing them hopefully do some more contemporary/classic action films minus the sci-fi elements, though I suppose I'd be more than curious if they DID attempt something more sci-fi oriented (like say their own Terminator-esque original narrative.)

 

[MaulFan]

I think the fact that they are a team is a huge benefit to a single director, just for the collaborative process alone. It's not a guaranteed recipe for success, AVP Requiem had co-directors and that was an average movie full of of fan boy recreations of classic scenes from the original movies .

I think having a partner that you're close to or good friends with helps keep each other in check and from going in certain directions where people under a single director may be less inclined to challenge some ideas.

 

[IrishJedi]

Daniel Brühl deserves a lot of credit for how well Zemo turned out in this film. In the hands of a lesser actor that role could have been pedestrian, at best. But he's pretty great.