Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

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I hate to say it, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel took their time and introduced their main and the supporting characters by making 13 films and several tv shows so far, and by the time Infinity War comes out, we'll have seen plenty of other characters in other films. What does DC have so far? Batman, a dead Superman, a mysterious WW, and an email showing some dudes. :slap
 
I hate to say it, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel took their time and introduced their main and the supporting characters by making 13 films and several tv shows so far, and by the time Infinity War comes out, we'll have seen plenty of other characters in other films. What does DC have so far? Batman, a dead Superman, a mysterious WW, and an email showing some dudes. :slap

Computer viruses? :lol
 
I hate to say it, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel took their time and introduced their main and the supporting characters by making 13 films and several tv shows so far, and by the time Infinity War comes out, we'll have seen plenty of other characters in other films. What does DC have so far? Batman, a dead Superman, a mysterious WW, and an email showing some dudes. :slap

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Agreed though TFA is still a great period adventure serial that nicely establishes Cap's origin. :)

I did watch the Kevin Smith clip and he did echo something I was thinking when rewatching The First Avenger the other day. And that is that Marvel somehow, actually delivered on the promise and potential of those first few MCU films. I *do* remember when Iron Man came out and Nick Fury appeared at the end how we were all, "can you imagine what it will be like if they make movies of all these heroes and put them in the same universe?" And then in The First Avenger when Bucky was strapped to that table and picks up the shield and gun on the train, "I'm turning into you," etc., and people were all, "wow they seem to be hinting at the Winter Soldier/Bucky Cap storyline I wonder how that will play out," and now HERE...WE...ARE.

It's surreal. Not that Marvel actually funded all these movies because that's the easy part but that every major character was well cast, well established, and then had varying levels of home run after home run for the stories that really counted. I mean if they did something stupid and cast an idiot to play Steve Rogers or had a Brett Ratner or Steve Sommers blow one of those early Phase I films (with TIH being Marvel's one mulligan) then the whole thing could have crumbled before it began. Again, it's just surreal. That airport fight where there all *12* heroes in live-action, in full costume, broad daylight and I like *EVERY* actor and the way everyone's abilities are portrayed on screen. As we've seen in decades past it's hard enough to just get *one* of these characters right, let alone twelve! And that's not counting GotG, Hulk, Thor, Dr. Strange, etc. We're watching history unfold before our eyes here, not too far off from when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought half the comic universe to life as we know it back in 1963.

Yup he hit the nail on the head, that's what I was referring to.

A Cap movie now even bigger than Avengers 1/2.

Can you imagine IW. :thud:

Just crazy.

Wait.. are you guys talking about Captain America: Civil War being better than The Force Awakens (TFA) or The First Avenger (TFA)? lol

:lol

I'm not saying. :lol

It makes no difference, new Capt beats both of those movies with his bare hands.

:lol

Agreed...insert and TFA you want and CW wins.

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Yup :lol

The First Avenger, The Force Awakens, Clone Wars, Civil War. Hopefully Star Wars 8 is called Beneath Vader's Shadow to really confuse things.

:lol

I was just thinking of that. I read someone say "Civil War felt organic and streamlined with 12 characters, BvS felt bloated with THREE." Makes me wonder if DC will somehow mishandle six heroes in Justice League while the Russos nail 70 at once. :lol

Hopefully WW is up to date on her emails when Darkseid comes calling!

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I hate to say it, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel took their time and introduced their main and the supporting characters by making 13 films and several tv shows so far, and by the time Infinity War comes out, we'll have seen plenty of other characters in other films. What does DC have so far? Batman, a dead Superman, a mysterious WW, and an email showing some dudes. :slap

Even the weak MCU movies served a greater purpose. :lecture
 
I hate to say it, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel took their time and introduced their main and the supporting characters by making 13 films and several tv shows so far, and by the time Infinity War comes out, we'll have seen plenty of other characters in other films. What does DC have so far? Batman, a dead Superman, a mysterious WW, and an email showing some dudes. :slap

DC didn't even have to make 13. Just TWO or even three before throwing everyone together. If you think about Marvel's roadmap to The Avengers they just made Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk simultaneously and then Thor and Cap 1 simultaneously. Two summers (2008 and 2011) of movies and then bam, Avengers. Okay plus IM2 which I would argue wasn't necessary and since the Hulk was essentially rebooted they didn't even really need TIH.

MOS came out in 2013 and here we are three YEARS later and DC still struggled to figure out how to get everyone together. If they were really blown away by the Avengers in 2012 then while MOS was in production they easily could have planned a solo Batman movie for 2014, Wonder Woman last summer and STILL have a Trinity movie this same exact year.

It's just crazy how inept they've been at universe building. It's not like Avengers came out and so they rushed to have a Trinity movie come out in 2014. Nope they took the exact same amount of time that Marvel takes to release five films (all with organic setup and character evolution) and just put all their eggs into Zack Snyder's basket hoping that he'd accomplish the same thing with one unnecessarily delayed film.
 
I hope by then Hot Toys has the honesty to admit they won't be making figures from anything else at all.

Holy crap I didn't even think of the 70 IW characters with regard to HT figures. Because you KNOW they'll make them all (with separate "Battling Movie Promo Editions" for a few of them as well.) :thud:
 
True, and still somehow Civil War managed to introduce some new characters like Black Panther, Spidey and Zemo. Not only that, we get to know them better than most of the new characters introduced in BVS. :dunno

Yep as I posted in one of the figure threads Spidey had more lines in his glorified cameo than Superman did in his entire movie. :duh
 
DC didn't even have to make 13. Just TWO or even three before throwing everyone together. If you think about Marvel's roadmap to The Avengers they just made Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk simultaneously and then Thor and Cap 1 simultaneously. Two summers (2008 and 2011) of movies and then bam, Avengers. Okay plus IM2 which I would argue wasn't necessary and since the Hulk was essentially rebooted they didn't even really need TIH.

MOS came out in 2013 and here we are three YEARS later and DC still struggled to figure out how to get everyone together. If they were really blown away by the Avengers in 2012 then while MOS was in production they easily could have planned a solo Batman movie for 2014, Wonder Woman last summer and STILL have a Trinity movie this same exact year.

It's just crazy how inept they've been at universe building. It's not like Avengers came out and so they rushed to have a Trinity movie come out in 2014. Nope they took the exact same amount of time that Marvel takes to release five films (all with organic setup and character evolution) and just put all their eggs into Zack Snyder's basket hoping that he'd accomplish the same thing with one unnecessarily delayed film.

IM2 was necessary though.

Thor 2 is the one I question, all that just to introduce the Aether gem?

That is unless the convergence and Loki's disguise as Odin will play a heavy role in IW.

But then what about Thor 3?
 
Yep as I posted in one of the figure threads Spidey had more lines in his glorified cameo than Superman did in his entire movie. :duh

Yes, simplicity is the key, the new characters in CW are given simple but effective origins and motivations. Black Panther's father is killed, he becomes the new young king, we see his country, and we know what drives him to do what he does in the story. Zemo, he's from Sokovia, he doesn't like Hydra, and his family died because of Stark. Spidey is given a full scene and we not only see his home, his aunt, but he tells Stark what his motivation is and how long he's had his powers. They even explain how a high school kid with no money gets the new costume. It's not that hard :lol What do we know about Wonder Woman other than she's ageless and wants a photo?
 
DC had years to trump Marvel. I still don't understand why they never went beyond making movies with just Batman and Superman? After Batman Begins they should have done a Superman movie, then Green Arrow, then Wonder Woman, and on. A new character should have been introduced every year. Instead they went with Batman, again, and again, and again.
 
Yep as I posted in one of the figure threads Spidey had more lines in his glorified cameo than Superman did in his entire movie. :duh

Sad, but true.
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The United States Capital just blew up, quick...squint your eyebrows together!

The fire turned Luthor's pee into a mist that wofted into Hopeman's face. Haven't you ever gone into a men's bathroom and the smell just smacked you in the nose?
 
IM2 was necessary though.

It did give us Don Cheadle as Rhodey and the introduction of Black Widow. Because as the guys on Screen Junkies said, "No one stays dead in the MCU...except Terrence Howard." :lol

You and I liked BvS and both of us can agree that what you just said is all kinds of nuts on Superman being handled like that.

Yep and I know that IrishJedi is probably cringing at my posts in this thread but as much as I love certain elements of BvS (and there are a lot of them) like Batman, WW, Luthor, action sequences, score, etc., I also recognize that even thought the good outweighs the bad the bad is still right there on a big pile of rocks for all to see. And one of those bad elements is absolutely their roadmap in even getting to this film in the first place because it's certainly something they mishandled (to put it gently.)

And even if certain things in BvS don't bother me as much as some you'd think that Zack and company would have REALLY wanted to do everything they could to "Honest Trailer Proof" their movie but no, instead we have more Pa Kent, Jolly Ranchers, WW's emails, murdering Jimmy Olsen for lolz, etc.
 
DC had years to trump Marvel. I still don't understand why they never went beyond making movies with just Batman and Superman? After Batman Begins they should have done a Superman movie, then Green Arrow, then Wonder Woman, and on. A new character should have been introduced every year. Instead they went with Batman, again, and again, and again.

true, it's ridiculous that they didn't do this if you think about it.

or at the very least, start when cap and thor came out so they could compete.
 
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