Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[Khev]

Zemo, he's from Sokovia, he doesn't like Hydra, and his family died because of Stark.

Acknowledging the impact of just dumping that many volumes of SHIELD/Hydra data onto the internet was yet another great move by the Russos.

And Snyder had three years of develoone too

Indeed. It's pretty mindboggling that after Age of Ultron the same cast and more suited up and shot Civil War which was then edited, scored, and had post production efx work all completed to hit theaters just 12 months later.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'll never understand why some of you seem to think everything needs to be 1:1 and/or fungible.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Acknowledging the impact of just dumping that many volumes of SHIELD/Hydra data onto the internet was yet another great move by the Russos.



Indeed. It's pretty mindboggling that after Age of Ultron the same cast and more suited up and shot Civil War which was then edited, scored, and had post production efx work all completed to hit theaters just 12 months later.

Two great points.

 

[Khev]

I'll never understand why some of you seem to think everything needs to be 1:1 and/or fungible.

I think it's just easier to take note of different approaches when one side utterly dominates with its methods and the other seems to really struggle. Suicide Squad looks nothing like a Marvel movie and we're all relishing in that fact and can't wait to see it. The Batman warehouse scene and epic recap of the Metropolis battle also didn't feel like something you'd see in the MCU and WB/Snyder knocked those moments out of the park.

 

[IrishJedi]

I think it's just easier to take note of different approaches when one side utterly dominates with its methods and the other seems to really struggle. Suicide Squad looks nothing like a Marvel movie and we're all relishing in that fact and can't wait to see it. The Batman warehouse scene and epic recap of the Metropolis battle also didn't feel like something you'd see in the MCU and WB/Snyder knocked those moments out of the park.

But they're also not on equal footing. As has been said, one is 13 films in, the other, just 2. Why not allow them to exist in their own vacuums (which is actually how they're being made) and wait for it all the play out? Again, it's not a race. Never was, and never will be. No matter how much the Internet Nerdspace wants that to be so.

 

[Khev]

But they're also not on equal footing. As has been said, one is 13 films in, the other, just 2. Why not allow them to exist in their own vacuums (which is actually how they're being made) and wait for it all the play out? Again, it's not a race. Never was, and never will be. No matter how much the Internet Nerdspace wants that to be so.

But neither exists in a vacuum. In the course of two months we just got two films that open with civilians in a building dying because of a battle between superheroes and villains, then conflicting ideologies between the "good" characters, then the bombing of a government building halfway through, then the heroes fight, a new villain comes to light, etc. I think the comparisons can make for interesting discussions not unlike when any two overlapping films come out at the same time (or even years apart.) Now do I condone repetitive trolling, glee at one movie's "failure," constant threadcrapping and all that? Well no, definitely not.

But I think we can all laugh at a good rock pile joke even if we still enjoy the movie overall.

 

[IrishJedi]

Right or wrong, or for better or worse... the thematic (and plot) related similarities between BvS and CIVIL WAR are all due to Marvel reacting to the announcement of Batman vs Superman and going with the CW idea for Cap 3. Something they fully admit. And there's nothing wrong with that. But more often that not, the two are each keen to do their own thing, in their own ways. Again, the "contest" is a fan and media created thing.

The people who are actually behind these movies actually don't wish foul upon the other. Because they're smart, and they know the continued success of the genre is good for EVERYONE, fanbabies be damned.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But they're also not on equal footing. As has been said, one is 13 films in, the other, just 2. Why not allow them to exist in their own vacuums (which is actually how they're being made) and wait for it all the play out? Again, it's not a race. Never was, and never will be. No matter how much the Internet Nerdspace wants that to be so.

Yeah, I'm not totally buying that You don't got from making individual superhero films for almost 40 years, to building a connected cinematic universe with a sequel to ONE film with a few Easter eggs in it, unless they feel the need to be on some sort of equal level of pop culture relevancy with Marvel.

In a way, you're right in that there is no race because WB can't really do anything first that Marvel hasn't already done with their cinematic universe, but they are clearly still trying to build a cinematic universe as quickly as possible for some reason.

 

[Khev]

Right or wrong, or for better or worse... the thematic (and plot) related similarities between BvS and CIVIL WAR are all due to Marvel reacting to the announcement of Batman vs Superman and going with the CW idea for Cap 3.

That's not how I took the Russo' comments on how Civil War came to be. I read it as "We pitched Civil War to Feige because we thought it would be awesome and necessary but Feige said no and that we had to make a generic sequel. THEN when WB announced Batman V Superman Feige thought 'crap, maybe that is the way to go' and then rescinded his earlier veto." So yes, the existence of Civil War is technically a result of WB's movie BUT if not for Feige that's what the Brothers would have made from the get go anyway.

 

[chewblacca]

Then maybe DC and Warner Brothers should take their time fleshing out this new DC cinematic universe instead of cramming so much into one film. This is the first time Batman and Superman have been on screen at the same time and it comes across as some brooding, dark, explosion of action.

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah, I'm not totally buying that You don't got from making individual superhero films for almost 40 years, to building a connected cinematic universe with a sequel to ONE film with a few Easter eggs in it, unless they feel the need to be on some sort of equal level of pop culture relevancy with Marvel.

The shared universe is being done because the fans clamored for it, and because someone (Zack) finally went to WB brass with an actual plan to do it.

Now, the WB execs probably did get antsy and wanted things spun up more quickly than originally planned (which is why we have things like contrived cameos in BvS) but most of it came about organically and not because "OMG Marvel!!"

 

[kryptonianmutie]

The "OMG Marvel" moment was Green Lantern.

 

[IrishJedi]

The "OMG Marvel" moment was Green Lantern.

That was actually just more of WB not knowing what they wanted to do. Oddly (and thankfully) that wasn't really planned to be part of a shared universe, either.

Incidentally; it was also the first film that Johns was directly involved with, so there's that.

 

[chewblacca]

So Snyder planned for Wonder Woman and all of those cameos to be in the movie along with the Batman and Superman fight, and Doomsday?

 

[jye4ever]

The "OMG Marvel" moment was Green Lantern.

 

[Khev]

The shared universe is being done because the fans clamored for it, and because someone (Zack) finally went to WB brass with an actual plan to do it.

Now, the WB execs probably did get antsy and wanted things spun up more quickly than originally planned (which is why we have things like contrived cameos in BvS) but most of it came about organically and not because "OMG Marvel!!"

Zack made that one statement where he didn't understand the "collateral damage" criticisms of MOS because more people die when planets explode in Star Wars so do you know if he's also aware of criticisms against Costner's tornado death and what his take on it was?

 

[chewblacca]

With Johns even remotely associated with that crappy Green Lantern movie the suits should really think twice. I still say Bruce Timm would make a great Kevn Feige type overseer of the DC movie verse.

 

[Khev]

With Johns even remotely associated with that crappy Green Lantern movie the suits should really think twice. I still say Bruce Timm would make a great Kevn Feige type overseer of the DC movie verse.

I was going to bring that up until I remembered that Feige produced the Daredevil movie, Elektra, both Tim Story Fantastic Four films, etc. Everything he touches does NOT turn to gold and the greatness of the MCU has more to do with the great directors they've chosen than Feige himself.

 

[IrishJedi]

With Johns even remotely associated with that crappy Green Lantern movie the suits should really think twice. I still say Bruce Timm would make a great Kevn Feige type overseer of the DC movie verse.

The right guy for the job tragically passed away at a very young age a few years ago (Dwayne McDuffie).

 

[chewblacca]

I agree McDuffie would be awesome overseeing the DC movie universe. He died way too young.