Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[DiFabio]

Some of the CGI in Apocalypse was shocking, early 2000s stuff.

I can't wait to see it.

The most jarring thing in Civil War were those helicopter shots and Tony Stark sitting in that one with the rain hitting the copter windows. It's like, "yo Marvel, where did your budget go!?"

I'm not trying to be a **** here, but a lot of scenes like that one felt like they were unfinished, like I was watching a rough cut or something. I got flashbacks of watching those online rips of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

 

[Khev]

I didn't notice any bad CGI during my first pass through of Civil War. I will say that I thought that the young RDJ in CW and the animals in Jungle Book both made me say "how the **** does that look so REAL" moreso than any film in a long time. I was studying the hell out of young Tony trying to see the illusion come apart but nope. Looked like him from his Back to School days. Light years beyond CG Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy or 1984 Arnold in Genisys.

And the reason AOTC and ROTS get well deserved trashing for the CG troopers is because they *WERE* CG. That was just unforgivable. Just build the damn suits all the same size and then hire extras that fit in them. Done. There's your clone army. But no, George had to go out and make them look crappy to show the world how amazing CG troopers looked and it sucked.

Iron Man and War Machine make sense to be CGI. Joss Whedon's CG twirling Captain America? Crap, crap, crap.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I honestly think every Spiderman scene was CGI, except his last scene when half of his face was visible and he's trying to get up and Tony doesn't let him. I think everything else was CGI, which explains why Spidey looked kind of fake.

 

[DiFabio]

Oh I thought the young Tony Stark was amazing, just like Michael Douglas in Ant-Man. That's probably where the budget went (well, not just deaging RDJ, but RDJ being attached in general).

Does Iron Man and War Machine really have to be obvious CGI from the neck down when Stark and Rhodey are just standing there with their masks up? For me, this is the worst the two have them have looked since Age of Ultron. A far cry from Iron Man 1 and 2 which I thought was the perfect mix of practical suits and CGI. I mean, they didn't even seem to be wearing the partial shoulder armor in most shots. They had that disemobided head syndrome that Clone Commander Cody had in ROTS. Spider-Man looked fake too. I really wasn't that far off the mark with my Playstation 1 jokes from before the movie came out. I thought Deadpool was handled in a much classier way by comparison.

 

[Khev]

I'll have to see if I notice on subsequent viewings but I didn't notice anything off about their suits in CW. I've certainly seen the trailer where Stark says, "Underoos, you're up!" plenty of times and always thought it looked good.

 

[JAWS]

Ok ok, **** the Matrix.

See for me Blade 1 had the better action with 2 being an ok attempt at repeating the 1st, but I need to rewatch 2 admittedly it has been awhile.

Prime example being: Blade catching his sunglasses in 1 > same scene in 2.

Plus those hot asian girls singing in 1.

Watch part 1 and part again.. Part 2 fight choreography is far better. Part 1 had the ultimate opening so I can't argue with that. As for the rest of the film.. Much of the fight chorography is very clunky. Part 2 took it up a notch IMO.

 

[JAWS]

I think the Matrix influence goes beyond wire work though

Oblivion which came out 3 years ago is about a guy with a monotonous job named, Jack Harper, who learns that everything he knows is a lie, that he is the chosen one meant for something far beyond his boring life, and his entire universe was constructed by the villains

Also, the use..or overuse of philosophy and religious symbolism combined with action is something we are still seeing in movies like MOS, BVS and Nolan films.

I guess... Perhaps the Matrix just had a bigger influence on films that are not that good

Only sort of serious. Only a couple of films you have mentioned are enjoyable to me.. Most are forgettable (like Oblivion)




As for the religious aspect.. E.T. was running around healing people with his fingers and pulling off a resurrection and as Khev mentioned... Star Wars been doing that for a while... There are also tons of other films that used religious symbolism to tell their non religious stories... From Cool Hand Look to The Green Mile...

Having said all that... The original Matrix is a great film and like I said it had it's influence. I am just not so sure it's influence has stayed. I mean comparing MOS to it is a bit of a cheat since people have compared Superman to Christ forever.

 

[JAWS]

Give First Avenger another watch, like you I had reservations about it but it has improved for me, just watched it lastnight.

His arc that travels 70 + years plus Shield's and Hydra's arc makes for a compelling story.

Watched it. Liked it. Maybe a little more then the first time. I still love the first hour. Always have. I hate all the Hanger scenes towards the end. Very Campy and awful looking green screen and CGI. The final action scene on the plane was much better then I remembered. Still not one of my MU favs but I can see not waiting so long to give it another view though.

7 out of 10.

 

[jye4ever]

Angry Birds kicked CW ass.

While there is no doubt about CW's success the question being raised is if Marvel hit a ceiling with Avengers.

My guess is that only IW will beat Avengers numbers.

 

[jye4ever]

Cgi was brought up.

I'm ok with less then perfect cgi due to budget or laziness reasons as long as the product as a whole is engaging, fun and thrilling.

No amount of really dressed costumed Clone troopers could save the PT.

That's the difference.

 

[Khev]

Cgi was brought up.

I'm ok with less then perfect cgi due to budget or laziness reasons as long as the product as a whole is engaging, fun and thrilling.

No amount of really dressed costumed Clone troopers could save the PT.

That's the difference.

Yep. I am convinced that DiFabio secretly adores the PT. No one (not even WWEJedi) brings it up as much as he does to counter praise for any current film. He defended the PT (sometimes when it wasn't even part of the discussion) against the Hobbit films, TFA, and now Civil War. "How come X gets a pass in this movie but was ripped apart in AOTC?" Because AOTC SUCKED. Plain and simple. If CG Troopers were the *worst* thing about the movie and the *only* thing "off" then just like the crappy wargs in The Two Towers they'd get a pass. But CG Troopers weren't the worst thing about the PT. They were just one out of a hundred idiotic choices George made when producing that crapfest of a trilogy.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Khev]

Don't get me wrong, DiFabio's Batman commentary is second to none (I enjoy it even when I disagree with it) but when it comes to Star Wars, he's a prequel fanboy through and though.

 

[a-dev]

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That looks so dry and coarse. And I bet it gets everywhere.

 

[Khev]

That looks so dry and coarse. And I bet it gets everywhere.

You just made someone's day with that reference.

 

[EVILFACE]

DiFab is actually WeeeeeeJedi's sock account.

 

[jye4ever]

That looks so dry and coarse. And I bet it gets everywhere.

 

[chewblacca]

Here's your japoor necklace!

 

[kryptonianmutie]

That looks so dry and coarse. And I bet it gets everywhere.

I totally thought you were going somewhere else with that.

About CGI, I can forgive the CGI in a movie like Spider-Man 2 for being bad in places but the cartoony CGI in the Blade 2 fight scenes just seems so out of place that it becomes absurd.

 

[chewblacca]

Like those matrix flying scenes. Especially the one where he twirls the clouds before flying down to the projects. Or when he saves his friends from that truck crash. I thought I was looking at some bad anime