Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[GodzillaSpawn]

The recent "force power" power from the new vol would be great to see on the big screen, truth be told.

And unique as well. It makes sense with the abilities of vibranium.

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[Victοr]

And unique as well. It makes sense with the abilities of vibranium.

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Not to mention that it looks hella dope:

 

[Khev]

You know things are bad when the bad-guy you're using as a mouthpiece for "de evilz talkz" actually makes more sense than most of your heroes...

Yep.

There are still some good stuff Post-2001, but after 2013 or so, the slope got a whole lot more slippery. Anything by Ennis is great. The early Ultimate stuff were great as well. Anything written by Ellis is also gold. But yeah, around that time is when things started getting a bit too political...

There are some gems here and there (Planet Hulk, etc.) But the Marvel Knights reboot of Captain America as a history revisionist (even with regard to the War he fought in!) who spouts conspiratorial PC rhetoric out of "sadness and anger" (as said by Joe Quesada, John Cassaday, and Mark Millar) at the 9/11 attacks is unforgivable to someone who knew the 1968-2001 version of Cap. Cap was never consumed by sadness or anger, he was a patriot yes, but to the *people* of the USA, not a single political party. He fought the good fight because it made him feel *good* to help others, it literally made him happy. He was an upbeat guy, not a mouthpiece for enraged and heartbroken activists who theorized that the Bush Administration knew about (or perpetuated!) the 9/11 attacks.

And that Cap is the one who segued into Brubaker's run, including the Winter Soldier story and Civil War. Civil War was the culmination of Cap realizing that his ways (pre-2001) were antiquated and divisive and harmful to the country, hence him being attacked by a mob of real world heroes (firemen, police, etc.) while he, again, walked off in tears with his head down. **** that! And after recently reading Ed Brubaker's commentary in the TWS hardcover it finally clicked with me why his version of Cap didn't register with me either. Brubaker is a self-confessed diehard Bucky fanboy. As a kid his favorite character was always the teenager who fought at Cap's side, never Captain America himself. So all TWS really was was his opportunity for him to make his beloved supporting character a star. And that he did.

His run also ushered in the notion that "anyone can be Cap." Bucky, Falcon, you, me, and so on. Mark Gruenwald said it best when he stated that anyone can put on the suit but there will never be another Steve Rogers. His "The Captain" storyline where a well meaning and incredibly powerful John Walker (also a diehard patriot) took over the role and failed miserably exemplified that. But that no longer applies under the current regime at Marvel. I could go on but any "universe" that preaches what Marvel preaches and features a rebooted Captain America so far from what he was in decades past is just not something I want to even dabble in. Every penny I spend on even a side issue or series (even ones that don't spout that crap) and every minute I spend reading even a page feels like me giving my support to such misguided storytelling.

 

[Victοr]

Yep.

Honestly, a Red Skull solo ala House of Cards with Ellis writting would be marvelous, but we know the interwebz would condemn it just by reading the solicitation. The mini by Rucka from a few years back was damn great.

There are some gems here and there (Planet Hulk, etc.) But the Marvel Knights reboot of Captain America as a history revisionist (even with regard to the War he fought in!) who spouts conspiratorial PC rhetoric out of "sadness and anger" (as said by Joe Quesada, John Cassaday, and Mark Millar) at the 9/11 attacks is unforgivable to someone who knew the 1968-2001 version of Cap. Cap was never consumed by sadness or anger, he was a patriot yes, but to the *people* of the USA, not a single political party. He fought the good fight because it made him feel *good* to help others, it literally made him happy. He was an upbeat guy, not a mouthpiece for enraged and heartbroken activists who theorized that the Bush Administration knew about (or perpetuated!) the 9/11 attacks.

Oh, yeah, I remember that. I read the first arc or so, but it felt like re-reading that Spider-Man 9/11 issue which featured Doom crying. Because yes, Doctor Doom, the guy who thinks his country is the very best and has murdered who knows how many people, would fly over to the US, stand in the rubble... and cry. I get the sentiment behind it, but, it was not executed very well. Still, those Cap issues read more like a political advert that a regular comic book. Again, i get the sentiments behind them, but it was not a classy move to essentially "cash in" on such an event.

And that Cap is the one who segued into Brubaker's run, including the Winter Soldier story and Civil War. Civil War was the culmination of Cap realizing that his ways (pre-2001) were antiquated and divisive and harmful to the country, hence him being attacked by a mob of real world heroes (firemen, police, etc.) while he, again, walked off in tears with his head down. **** that!

Civil War was just character assassination with a few good moments in the tie-in books. It had a neat idea, and some "powerful" moments, but the whole thing was... less than stelar...

And after recently reading Ed Brubaker's commentary in the TWS hardcover it finally clicked with me while his version of Cap didn't register with me either. Brubaker is a self-confessed diehard Bucky fanboy. As a kid his favorite character was always the teenager who fought at Cap's side, never Captain America himself. So all TWS really was was his opportunity for him to make his beloved supporting character a star. And that he did.

Brubaker killed Cap just so that he could write Bucky-Cap, that's no secret. And then he went on to complete destroy Baron Zemo Post-Nicieza. I like his writting, and I like his Cap run, but it was a more cynical book, and one that dealt more with Bucky, if anything. Still, Brubaker's Bucky is one of the best written characters in recent years.

His run also ushered in the notion that "anyone can be Cap." Bucky, Falcon, you, me, and so on. Mark Gruenwald said it best when he stated that anyone can put on the suit but there will never be another Steve Rogers. His "The Captain" storyline where a well meaning and incredibly powerful John Walker (also a diehard patriot) took over the role and failed miserably. But that no longer applies under the current regime at Marvel. I could go on but any "universe" that preaches what Marvel preaches and features a rebooted Captain America so far from what he was in decades past is just not something I want to even dabble in. Every penny I spend on even a side issue or series that doesn't spout that crap and every minute I spend reading even a page feels like me giving my support to such misguided storytelling.

Eh, lots of writers go down that route. Anyone can be Batman/Spider-Man/Captain Britain/Etc. I never liked that trope, to be honest. it diminishes the character and is mostly lazy. Sometimes it can turn out to be a good thing, but eventually, these being comics, the original is gonna come back, so what's the point?

 

[Khev]

Brubaker killed Cap just so that he could write Bucky-Cap, that's no secret. And then he went on to complete destroy Baron Zemo Post-Nicieza. I like his writting, and I like his Cap run, but it was a more cynical book, and one that dealt more with Bucky, if anything. Still, Brubaker's Bucky is one of the best written characters in recent years.

Agreed. I don't like his revised Cap but I can't deny that Brubaker's writing was very good in telling the tale he wanted to tell. And it paved the way for MCU Bucky which I *do* really like since Evans Cap evokes the character as I knew and liked him. That's the thing with this new Marvel regime. They've got some damn good artists (the artwork in the new "Hydra Cap" series is effing glorious dammit) and a couple really decent writers. It's a pity that they are wasted on the company's narrow political activism.

 

[Victοr]

Agreed. I don't like his revised Cap but I can't deny that Brubaker's writing was very good in telling the tale he wanted to tell. And it paved the way for MCU Bucky which I *do* really like since Evans Cap evokes the character as I knew and liked him. That's the thing with this new Marvel regime. They've got some damn good artists (the artwork in the new "Hydra Cap" series is effing glorious dammit) and a couple really decent writers. It's a pity that they are wasted on the company's narrow political activism.

Eh, pretty much. Same goes for DC (to a lesser degree though). There are some gems there, you just have to know where to look. Or just give up and read Image. That works just as well, if not better.

 

[Khev]

I just think they can be bleeding heart liberals without putting it on the page. Take their profits and make campaign donations to Hillary or Bernie behind the scenes (or whatever.) Don't try and sell me panels where Barack Obama tells Cap "I forgive you for being a misguided idiot" FFS. Lucas was a hardcore lefty when he made the OT but the story is still universal and not divisive. Disney has their annual "Gay Pride at Disneyland/World Day" but they haven't had a main character "come out" in one of their kids' movies (yet at least.)

Once again people can believe whatever they want and have whatever convictions they want. But if you're going to make your products propaganda or social issue agenda driven then that's a real line in the sand.

 

[Victοr]

I just think they can be bleeding heart liberals without putting it on the page. Take their profits and make campaign donations to Hillary or Bernie behind the scenes (or whatever.) Don't try and sell me panels where Barack Obama tells Cap "I forgive you for being a misguided idiot" FFS. Lucas was a hardcore lefty when he made the OT but the story is still universal and not divisive. Disney has their annual "Gay Pride at Disneyland/World Day" but they haven't had a main character "come out" in one of their kids' movies (yet at least.)

Yeah, well, considering even the comic book boards themselves are pushing for a Bi MCU Cap, it's not that far off. But yep, political or personal beliefs should be kept out of the pages. I mean, Ellis created one of the most diverse teams ever (The Authority), featuring people from all kinds of places, tastes, personalities, sexual orientation and the like, and he kept as non-political as possible. Which is a far cry from writers like Spencer, or even McFarlane. No kidding, Spawn is still going on, and most issues have to do either with "Satan" or police brutality. At least Spencer can write good, so there's that. He's best with quirky, underground satirical/black comedy books though.

 

[jye4ever]

EDIT: Black Panther Concept Art:


More here: https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/new-chadwick-boseman-black-panther-concept-art

The only good thing about these designs is his feet

The rest looks like a mix of Destroyer and Iron Man...blah...not for Panther.

Like GS said I prefer the movie version.

And yes showing off his abilities for Panther is a must plus I want them to show a few successfull kills on screen with his daggers and claws which i'm sure they will when Aliens come a knocking.

The reason that page got no attention in the press is because this is nothing new in the post-2001 era of Marvel Comics. Marvel has taken the position that if you don't kneel at the altar of political correctness at the expense of safety, decency, and common sense then you're with the Red Skull. Marvel doesn't tell good stories about costumed heroes fighting costumed bad guys anymore, it used the tragedy of 9/11 to go full tilt social justice warrior and has never looked back, nor does it appear that it will anytime soon which is why I have turned my back on everything that company has released from 2002 onward.

As far as I'm concerned there's Marvel Comics from 1968-2001 and the MCU. Nothing more. Thankfully the films have gotten back to "stick up for the little guy" instead of "stick up for the Democratic Party."

Yep.



There are some gems here and there (Planet Hulk, etc.) But the Marvel Knights reboot of Captain America as a history revisionist (even with regard to the War he fought in!) who spouts conspiratorial PC rhetoric out of "sadness and anger" (as said by Joe Quesada, John Cassaday, and Mark Millar) at the 9/11 attacks is unforgivable to someone who knew the 1968-2001 version of Cap. Cap was never consumed by sadness or anger, he was a patriot yes, but to the *people* of the USA, not a single political party. He fought the good fight because it made him feel *good* to help others, it literally made him happy. He was an upbeat guy, not a mouthpiece for enraged and heartbroken activists who theorized that the Bush Administration knew about (or perpetuated!) the 9/11 attacks.

And that Cap is the one who segued into Brubaker's run, including the Winter Soldier story and Civil War. Civil War was the culmination of Cap realizing that his ways (pre-2001) were antiquated and divisive and harmful to the country, hence him being attacked by a mob of real world heroes (firemen, police, etc.) while he, again, walked off in tears with his head down. **** that! And after recently reading Ed Brubaker's commentary in the TWS hardcover it finally clicked with me why his version of Cap didn't register with me either. Brubaker is a self-confessed diehard Bucky fanboy. As a kid his favorite character was always the teenager who fought at Cap's side, never Captain America himself. So all TWS really was was his opportunity for him to make his beloved supporting character a star. And that he did.

His run also ushered in the notion that "anyone can be Cap." Bucky, Falcon, you, me, and so on. Mark Gruenwald said it best when he stated that anyone can put on the suit but there will never be another Steve Rogers. His "The Captain" storyline where a well meaning and incredibly powerful John Walker (also a diehard patriot) took over the role and failed miserably exemplified that. But that no longer applies under the current regime at Marvel. I could go on but any "universe" that preaches what Marvel preaches and features a rebooted Captain America so far from what he was in decades past is just not something I want to even dabble in. Every penny I spend on even a side issue or series (even ones that don't spout that crap) and every minute I spend reading even a page feels like me giving my support to such misguided storytelling.

Agreed. I don't like his revised Cap but I can't deny that Brubaker's writing was very good in telling the tale he wanted to tell. And it paved the way for MCU Bucky which I *do* really like since Evans Cap evokes the character as I knew and liked him. That's the thing with this new Marvel regime. They've got some damn good artists (the artwork in the new "Hydra Cap" series is effing glorious dammit) and a couple really decent writers. It's a pity that they are wasted on the company's narrow political activism.

Politics is all rather confusing and 100% hypocritical across the board anyways, all it does is separate and control.

Marvel was pushing left though before Disney and that always confused me because before Disney the 4 owners were jewish pro right. That must've been one hell of a tug of war behind the scenes of the ones who wrote the checks and the ones who pushed the narrative at the editorial department.

It's out in the open that the jewish state is not in talking terms with this current admin so what influence that has on Disney/Marvel in regards to pushing a narrative I don't know but you always have to remember that politics is deeply embedded behind the scenes especially after the Road Warrior exposed that Hollywood, Wall Street and the Treasury are controlled by jews.

Always remember to go back to who is writing the checks if you want to learn which way they will be leaning.

I bet my mortgage goes to a Chinese Jewish bank.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Not to mention that it looks hella dope:

New Black Panther sucks.

 

[Khev]

Politics is all rather confusing and 100% hypocritical across the board anyways, all it does is separate and control.

It's certainly a dumb thing to make the center of your story about superheroes and villains. It's not like I'm mad because Marvel is a bunch of liberals and I'd rather have Cap making pro-GOP speeches instead. Because for one the GOP as a whole isn't lofty enough for Cap to link himself to and for another that would just make liberals stop reading Cap and he should be able to be enjoyed by all. Just give the partisan BS a break (for BOTH parties) and have him defending regular people from crazy looking bad guys. The end. It worked wonderfully for 32 years and is the reason things like Star Wars, LOTR and the pre-2001 era of Marvel were fun and not divisive. (Okay the prequels were divisive but not because of their transparent political agenda.)

 

[jye4ever]

Only thing I hate more than politics is religion and the PT.

 

[RIDDICK]

Only thing I hate more than politics is religion.

Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn - prophet, priest and king (threefold office of Jesus Christ).

 

[Victοr]

New Black Panther sucks.

Modern Moon Knight sucks hard as well:

 

[Khev]

"I hate the moon."

These memes are actually pretty awesome and I'm glad they're making a mockery of this supposed "OMG" moment.

 

[SoGS]

Lmao these meme are hilarious

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Lmao these meme are hilarious

I've seen a lot of funny ones

 

[kryptonianmutie]

New Black Panther sucks.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm thinking of changing my name to jyeNOT4ever.

 

[GasparZizou]

GasparMaterazzi.