Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[jye4ever]

Well,

BvS had Superman in it, doesn't make it a Superman movie.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Cant we start a Go Fund Me account to clone the Russos so they can do Thor and every other Marvel movie?

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Well,

BvS had Superman in it, doesn't make it a Superman movie.

No

 

[karamazov80]

It's got classic lifetime movie all over it.

Female protagonist (check)

Murderous male lover (check)
Even if you don't count Killgrave as a lover there's still another

Stupid cops(check)

One female best friend(check)

Spying/Surveillance(check)

All men are bad(check)

Luke Cage was a super swell guy in that one. Jones herself was pretty scummy toward him, in fact. And Hellcat's mom and the lawyer were terrible people with next to no redeeming qualities. So I think it was very much a mixed bag, even in that respect.

Cant we start a Go Fund Me account to clone the Russos so they can do Thor and every other Marvel movie?

No

 

[RIDDICK]

Cant we start a Go Fund Me account to clone the Russos so they can do Thor and every other Marvel movie?

You can't clone talent.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Luke Cage was a super swell guy in that one. Jones herself was pretty scummy toward him, in fact. And Hellcat's mom and the lawyer were terrible people with next to no redeeming qualities. So I think it was very much a mixed bag, even in that respect.

You make great points but however

Spoiler

Luke Cage(a man) still ends up trying to kill her and her crackhead friend(also a man) is betraying her through a good chunk of the season

I'm not saying it's terrible but the show isn't as great as people were making it out to be, especially considering its supposed to be for adults. The nudity consisted of one shadowy boob and bare male chests from what I can remember.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Cant we start a Go Fund Me account to clone the Russos so they can do Thor and every other Marvel movie?

Love it. Spiderman dodging Scarlet Witch lol I can still remember his sound effects

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[Starscream Soundwave]

JJ wasn't as good as DD, but it was still pretty great. I thought the general consensus was that it was excellent.


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[karamazov80]

You make great points but however

Spoiler

Luke Cage(a man) still ends up trying to kill her and her crackhead friend(also a man) is betraying her through a good chunk of the season

I'm not saying it's terrible but the show isn't as great as people were making it out to be, especially considering its supposed to be for adults. The nudity consisted of one shadowy boob and bare male chests from what I can remember.

Those guys were under the Purple Man's control, so you can't blame them for that. As we saw, if he tells you to stick your hand in a blender, you just do it, no questions asked.

 

[Khev]

I watched the first Iron Man a few nights ago for the first time in probably about five years. I was shocked at how well the film held up. I think it would still be a blockbuster if it came out *today.* And the smaller, more intimate story actually sets it nicely apart from the "save the world from destruction" trend that so many other cbms follow. I didn't love it's seemingly low key city battle a year after watching the Transformers first duke it out downtown but today that small battle really works.

I had forgotten how deep and robotic his voice was in the suit for that film. "He's all yours..." Wish they'd kept that voice for the sequels. I'm assuming that since he gave away his identity at the end that it was decided he had no further need to disguise his voice but I still think they should have kept it.

 

[karamazov80]

I would argue that, on balance, action films from 5 years ago were superior to those made today across the board. Now it's a race to be the most X-treme and over the top. Michael Bay probably had as much of an influence as anyone here, but all the action scenes in Iron Man served a specific purpose, and were well done without unduly going over the top. Batman V Superman, Age of Ultron, and Civil War, on the other hand, are just massive action set pieces with a plot developed around them (with varied levels of success). And of course, Singer fell into this trap a bit with Apocalypse, as he felt compelled to try and compete with your Marvel Studios and WBs of the world, instead of sticking to what he does best--tell good, dramatic stories that are punctuated by action.

 

[jye4ever]

Nah, i'll take TWS/CW/BvS and even XMA action over X1/X2/IM1 action.

The bigger action didn't have a negative impact on their individual plots and besides i've had enough small action to last me a lifetime going back to STM, it's about damn time superhero movies ramped up the action to match the comics.

I want IW 1/2 and JL BIG!

Super Size Me!

 

[kryptonianmutie]

As awesome as it was, I can see how someone would think the airport battle in CW was just a set piece, but you had to have all the characters fighting at some point in the movie. At least they didn't go the DBZ route and have everyone in the desert. All the other action in CW served the plot beautifully IMO.

The more I think about the action in BvS the more I dislike that movie. The fight between them was painfully forced and that one is all on Snyder's obsession with aesthetics over substance.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

As awesome as it was, I can see how someone would think the airport battle in CW was just a set piece, but you had to have all the characters fighting at some point in the movie. At least they didn't go the DBZ route and have everyone in the desert. All the other action in CW served the plot beautifully IMO.

The more I think about the action in BvS the more I dislike that movie. The fight between them was painfully forced and that one is all on Snyder's obsession with aesthetics over substance.

Snyder likes to copy and paste images from the comics even if it doesn't make sense. There's a scene in the warehouse sequence where a guy is using an M60 machine gun just like in The Dark Knight Returns comic. Now, why would someone be using and carrying an M60 machine gun in 2016 is beyond me, considering how impractical such a large and heavy weapon can be in such a close space, but I guess Snyder thought copying a scene from that 80's comic would look cool, even if that image was just a product of 80's pop culture and it's in some ways dated.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I love iron man 1...but aside from iron mans first mission and his fight with the F22's, the action is underwhelming a bit even at that time. It's okay because it's a good character-driven story. But he was new at being in this super-suit. His enemy was even more new at it. By Civil War, he's fighting with and against a large group of characters whom are very comfortable with their abilities. You put all of them together and the action has to be more over the top. You can't tone spider-man down even more than he was in ability and still be faithful. These guys are superheroes...not the cast of fast and the furious

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[karamazov80]

Nah, i'll take TWS/CW/BvS and even XMA action over X1/X2/IM1 action.

The bigger action didn't have a negative impact on their individual plots and besides i've had enough small action to last me a lifetime going back to STM, it's about damn time superhero movies ramped up the action to match the comics.

I want IW 1/2 and JL BIG!

Super Size Me!

The quality of the CG is a fantastic improvement. But it's over-used. This isn't a new argument, but it's a perspective I hold--filmmakers are going too far in extremes for the purpose of crowd-pleasing spectacle, and it has ramifications for the larger story being told. There are exceptions, like Fury Road, which lives and dies by how well the action works. Through the action the spirit and message of the film becomes manifest. It is sublime in its way.

As awesome as it was, I can see how someone would think the airport battle in CW was just a set piece, but you had to have all the characters fighting at some point in the movie. At least they didn't go the DBZ route and have everyone in the desert. All the other action in CW served the plot beautifully IMO.

The more I think about the action in BvS the more I dislike that movie. The fight between them was painfully forced and that one is all on Snyder's obsession with aesthetics over substance.

Yeah, with Civil War, it seems very obvious to me that there were three requirements: 1) ape the intro. to Civil War in the comic somehow; 2) have all the major good guys fight it out in a massive battle royal; and 3) have Cap and Iron Man fight one-on-one in the end. The rest of the film seemed constructed after these decisions were made. Some of it worked, some of it doesn't hold up to intense scrutiny. Batman V Superman obviously had the same concern, with the plot developed to explain how they fight. Unfortunately, in that case, they apparently drafted 10 or 20 random plot ideas and tossed darts to decide what would happen.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Snyder likes to copy and paste images from the comics even if it doesn't make sense. There's a scene in the warehouse sequence where a guy is using an M60 machine gun just like in The Dark Knight Returns comic. Now, why would someone be using and carrying an M60 machine gun in 2016 is beyond me, considering how impractical such a large and heavy weapon can be in such a close space, but I guess Snyder thought copying a scene from that 80's comic would look cool, even if that image was just a product of 80's pop culture and it's in some ways dated.

None of that to me is as agregious as the lead up to the fight. There you have a desperate S-man seeking help to find his Martha while a clock is literally ticking away and Snyder had to have the shot of S-man in the sky hovering, wasting precious seconds. Then he does his crash landing(why, I don't know) and Batman's all cocky and **** with "Well here I am" and then S-man starts talking like a moron who can't speak properly wasting even more precious seconds. S-man literally walks into a trap and that begins schoolyard shoving match that turns into a fight.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

None of that to me is as agregious as the lead up to the fight. There you have a desperate S-man seeking help to find his Martha while a clock is literally ticking away and Snyder had to have the shot of S-man in the sky hovering, wasting precious seconds. Then he does his crash landing(why, I don't know) and Batman's all cocky and **** with "Well here I am" and then S-man starts talking like a moron who can't speak properly wasting even more precious seconds. S-man literally walks into a trap and that begins schoolyard shoving match that turns into a fight.

Snyderman never uses his X Ray vision...for some reason

 

[Khev]

Another cool thing I noticed while watching IM1 again is that Cap's defeat of Tony is very similar to how Tony defeated Stane.

1. Take away enemy's power of flight
2. Take away enemy's targeting
3. Have a buddy help you destroy an arc reactor

Stark lived long enough to become his own original "villain" so to speak.

None of that to me is as agregious as the lead up to the fight. There you have a desperate S-man seeking help to find his Martha while a clock is literally ticking away and Snyder had to have the shot of S-man in the sky hovering, wasting precious seconds. Then he does his crash landing(why, I don't know) and Batman's all cocky and **** with "Well here I am" and then S-man starts talking like a moron who can't speak properly wasting even more precious seconds. S-man literally walks into a trap and that begins schoolyard shoving match that turns into a fight.

I thoroughly enjoyed BvS but damn if the criticism against the film isn't freaking funny.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

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