Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[jye4ever]

Just binged the entire Cap trilogy. Holy ****. Need to decompress. That was beyond amazing. Cap transcends all soldiers, then all spies, then even his fellow superheroes. Cap's first and last fights in the entire trilogy feature him getting beat up and then saying "I can do this all day" before Bucky blindsides his attacker.

Both Howard and Tony's first scenes in the trilogy are them giving a tech demo in front of an audience.

Skull's taunts to Steve that he's greater than everyone yet "pretends to be a simple soldier" ring true to greater degrees with each film.

When you watch them all in sequence you see that he never stops being that teenager from 1942 who will stop at nothing, whether it be falsifying enlistment documents or defying the United Nations to stand up for the little guy and oppose whoever needs opposing. But he isn't a tyrant who's above the law because when the job is done more often than not he'll surrender (he submits himself for prosecution in all three films.)

It was crushing to have TFA and TWS fresh in my mind then see his reaction to Widow siding with Tony about the accords seconds before getting the text that Peggy died. He lost both of the women he was closest too in seconds. Bucky was MIA. Other than Sam he had no one at that point. Really harsh.

I'm pretty blown away. The trilogy starts great and gets better with every film.

This is why

TFA/TWS/CW > BB/TDK/TDKR

Here are my top 3 favorite "trilogies":

1. SW/ESB/ROTJ
2. FOTR/TTT/LOTR
3. TFA/TWS/CW

 

[Khev]

This is why

TFA/TWS/CW > BB/TDK/TDKR

Here are my top 3 favorite "trilogies":

1. SW/ESB/ROTJ
2. FOTR/TTT/LOTR
3. TFA/TWS/CW

Yup. I binged the TDK trilogy last week and I was pretty damn impressed but all three movies have a pretty boring first hour. And it seemed like the bigger the Batman fan you were the more pissed off you'd be by TDKR. Not so with the Cap trilogy. The way so many things came full circle was beautiful. Callbacks to prior films didn't feel forced and everything escalated to such satisfaction. The films even nicely fill in blanks from other MCU titles, making the Cap trilogy autonomous if you want it to be. After credit TWS scene has Strucker saying the age of soldiers and spies has past and we're now in the age of miracles. Cut to Scarlet Witch doing magic tricks. Then the first avenger shown in CW is...Scarlet Witch, telling the audience that Cap's been busy and has a new STRIKE Team that replaced the one he had at the beginning of TWS. Later we learn they are the Avengers. Scenes that were in danger of dragging on multiple viewings like Tony at MIT and Wanda and Vision cooking become important character building moments because those are their only introductory scenes if you watch only the Cap films.

Vision fills in the blanks on Tony's Iron Man announcement and the ensuing escalation of enhanced beings as a result.

No one has to throw out their other MCU blu-rays but holy crap what a trilogy and what a flattering universe the entire MCU becomes when not one character is tainted by lesser efforts from other directors.

 

[rushmore223]

This is why

TFA/TWS/CW > BB/TDK/TDKR

Here are my top 3 favorite "trilogies":

1. SW/ESB/ROTJ
2. FOTR/TTT/LOTR
3. TFA/TWS/CW

I can get behind that!



If TDKR had been better, it would be very difficult picking that 3rd spot.

 

[RIDDICK]

Still can't stomach 3D.

- Five years in iso-cubes!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Just binged the entire Cap trilogy. Holy ****. Need to decompress. That was beyond amazing. Cap transcends all soldiers, then all spies, then even his fellow superheroes. Cap's first and last fights in the entire trilogy feature him getting beat up and then saying "I can do this all day" before Bucky blindsides his attacker.

Both Howard and Tony's first scenes in the trilogy are them giving a tech demo in front of an audience.

Skull's taunts to Steve that he's greater than everyone yet "pretends to be a simple soldier" ring true to greater degrees with each film.

When you watch them all in sequence you see that he never stops being that teenager from 1942 who will stop at nothing, whether it be falsifying enlistment documents or defying the United Nations to stand up for the little guy and oppose whoever needs opposing. But he isn't a tyrant who's above the law because when the job is done more often than not he'll surrender (he submits himself for prosecution in all three films.)

It was crushing to have TFA and TWS fresh in my mind then see his reaction to Widow siding with Tony about the accords seconds before getting the text that Peggy died. He lost both of the women he was closest to in seconds. Bucky was MIA. Other than Sam he had no one at that point. Really harsh.

I'm pretty blown away. The trilogy starts great and gets better with every film.

This is why

TFA/TWS/CW > BB/TDK/TDKR

Here are my top 3 favorite "trilogies":

1. SW/ESB/ROTJ
2. FOTR/TTT/LOTR
3. TFA/TWS/CW

While I really enjoy the Batman trilogy but Cap's trilogy blows it away IMO.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup. I binged the TDK trilogy last week and I was pretty damn impressed but all three movies have a pretty boring first hour. And it seemed like the bigger the Batman fan you were the more pissed off you'd be by TDKR. Not so with the Cap trilogy. The way so many things came full circle was beautiful. Callbacks to prior films didn't feel forced and everything escalated to such satisfaction. The films even nicely fill in blanks from other MCU titles, making the Cap trilogy autonomous if you want it to be. After credit TWS scene has Strucker saying the age of soldiers and spies has past and we're now in the age of miracles. Cut to Scarlet Witch doing magic tricks. Then the first avenger shown in CW is...Scarlet Witch, telling the audience that Cap's been busy and has a new STRIKE Team that replaced the one he had at the beginning of TWS. Later we learn they are the Avengers. Scenes that were in danger of dragging on multiple viewings like Tony at MIT and Wanda and Vision cooking become important character building moments because those are their only introductory scenes if you watch only the Cap films.

Vision fills in the blanks on Tony's Iron Man announcement and the ensuing escalation of enhanced beings as a result.

No one has to throw out their other MCU blu-rays but holy crap what a trilogy and what a flattering universe the entire MCU becomes when not one character is tainted by lesser efforts from other directors.

Damn that's a great breakdown, you're the DiFabio of the MCU.

I can get behind that!



If TDKR had been better, it would be very difficult picking that 3rd spot.

Hmmm, even then I think I would stick with Cap for the 3rd spot, especially after reading Khev's breakdown.

While I really enjoy the Batman trilogy but Cap's trilogy blows it away IMO.

Snoopy ain't holding back.

 

[KitFisto]

If I ever want to buy a whole album from a band then I buy the CD. Nothing tops having the art and looking through the lyrics and linier notes while listening to the album on your stereo. If it's just a song or two then I will by digital. But no way am I buying a new Van Halen, Vol Beat, Metallica, etc.. album on digital.


Another bonus of having physical is I can quickly browse my collection to figure out what I am in the mood for. Look at the cover art and decide if I want to watch. I know you can do the same with the digital but its not the same.

Having said all this I am 45 years old. I have talked to younger 20 somethings who have never owned a CD in their life. So I think it is inevitable that physical media will go the way of the dinosaur. But its still a ways off I think.

Yet Record Albums are making a small comeback... So what do I know

I agree with all of this.....of course I'm 44 myself. Kids today just don't get it........now get off my lawn!

 

[RIDDICK]

I don't have anything against physical copies tho.
It's just that I live in a small apartment and can't buy original stuff at a fair price.

 

[karamazov80]

Cap movies 2 and 3 are really good. 1 is fairly average. Nolan Batmovies 1 and 2 are great, but 3 is mediocre. As a trilogy I might agree that Cap wins. I agree with Khev that Cap 3 really pulls everything back together in a fulfilling way that tdkr does not--wacky Zemo plot aside. But the best of Nolan blows the doors off the best of the Russos.

 

[jye4ever]

If not for Ledger's amazing Joker TDK would suffer though.

Cap trilogy has Cap's heroism and charisma, team interaction and action going for it, very layered more than just one element that makes it great.

Not saying TDK wasn't nuanced with internal and social conflicts but Joker really made that movie into the phenomenon it became.

 

[RIDDICK]

I'll watch "The First Avenger" at least five times before even thinkin' about "The Very Civil War" again.

 

[greygoose]

"The Almost Very Civil War" again.

Fixed.

 

[DiFabio]

If I ever want to buy a whole album from a band then I buy the CD. Nothing tops having the art and looking through the lyrics and linier notes while listening to the album on your stereo. If it's just a song or two then I will by digital. But no way am I buying a new Van Halen, Vol Beat, Metallica, etc.. album on digital.


Another bonus of having physical is I can quickly browse my collection to figure out what I am in the mood for. Look at the cover art and decide if I want to watch. I know you can do the same with the digital but its not the same.

Having said all this I am 45 years old. I have talked to younger 20 somethings who have never owned a CD in their life. So I think it is inevitable that physical media will go the way of the dinosaur. But its still a ways off I think.

Yet Record Albums are making a small comeback... So what do I know

Music and album CDs I can abide by. I have a bunch of physical sets and love the art in them.

I'm talking strictly movies. None of the more recent ones are worth owning physical copies anymore. Last home video release that really wowed me were the LOTR Special editions in their classy book themed 4 disc style sets with the John Howe art work.

Garbage like "Ultimate cut BvS" and "Civil War: whatever the hell edition"? Meh, wanna watch them? Just download em'. Nothing special.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

While I completely disagree with Khev on TDK being boring, the Nolan trilogy isn't as re-watchable to me as the Cap trilogy, although I wouldn't watch either in one sitting.

As for the complaints about the movies not matching the comics they're titled after (Civil War and Age of Ultron), it doesn't bother me only in the sense that i didn't care for the comics they were named after but they could have easily been titled something else. Divided We Fall would've been a great title for Civil War IMO.

 

[jye4ever]

Fixed.

Nah, I feel that their conflict (war) had the appropriate depth to show how heroic people handle their internal ideological differences while being subjected to additional external forces.

Would they really just immediately murder each other over the accords without at the very least attempting to present their cases to each other?

I loved that Stark was happy to see Cap almost signing during the pen scene until Cap became irritated with how Wanda was being treated like a criminal while already being depressed for causing the explosion. Stark was very open to Cap signing with consessions being made, Stark was glowing happy as in yes please please sign. Stark was no friend of Ross afterall. That's one of my favorite scenes in the movie, Stark was just so happy to end his conflict with Cap but then boom, Wanda's treatment pissed off Cap even more!

I think that the gradual increase in tensions was the correct method especially since we haven't seen the end results yet, the murder of Stark's parents was the catalyst needed to ignite the tensions further along and now that they addressed that i'm sure that there will be additional conflicts along the way until they finally come together for Thanos, if they even do come together.

Stark could remain a stubborn bastard.

Trust me, Khev and I are 100% right on this one and you're all just wrong lol.

 

[a-dev]

Nah, I feel that their conflict (war) had the appropriate depth to show how heroic people handle their internal ideological differences while being subjected to additional external forces.

Would they really just immediately murder each other over the accords without at the very least attempting to present their cases to each other?

I loved that Stark was happy to see Cap almost signing during the pen scene until Cap became irritated with how Wanda was being treated like a criminal while already being depressed for causing the explosion. Stark was very open to Cap signing with consessions being made, Stark was glowing happy as in yes please please sign. Stark was no friend of Ross afterall. That's one of my favorite scenes in the movie, Stark was just so happy to end his conflict with Cap but then boom, Wanda's treatment pissed off Cap even more!

I think that the gradual increase in tensions was the correct method especially since we haven't seen the end results yet, the murder of Stark's parents was the catalyst needed to ignite the tensions further along and now that they addressed that i'm sure that there will be additional conflicts along the way until they finally come together for Thanos, if they even do come together.

Stark could remain a stubborn bastard.

Trust me, Khev and I are 100% right on this one and you're all just wrong lol.

I'm going to concur. If the complaint is that they weren't trying to actually kill eachother then I say that was a silly expectation for anyone to have in the first place. Also Stark definitely was trying to kill Bucky at the end and since he had no attachment or alliance with him in the first place that was plausible.

 

[greygoose]

Also Stark definitely was trying to kill Bucky at the end and since he had no attachment or alliance with him in the first place that was plausible.

IMO Stark should have killed either Cap or Bucky at the end. Really thought it was headed that way.

 

[a-dev]

IMO Stark should have killed either Cap or Bucky at the end. Really thought it was headed that way.

OK so no one died but Batman ultimately didn't kill Superman or Vica Versa in BvS so I don't know why people talk about ''real'' stakes in the DC films as though they have that above the Marvel ones. BvS killed Jimmy Olsen and then went totally premature with the Doomsday Death of Superman story - but those weren't ballsy moves, they were stupid moves

 

[jye4ever]

Music and album CDs I can abide by. I have a bunch of physical sets and love the art in them.

I'm talking strictly movies. None of the more recent ones are worth owning physical copies anymore. Last home video release that really wowed me were the LOTR Special editions in their classy book themed 4 disc style sets with the John Howe art work.

Garbage like "Ultimate cut BvS" and "Civil War: whatever the hell edition"? Meh, wanna watch them? Just download em'. Nothing special.

Well, at least you have the holidays to look forward too.

 

[jye4ever]

OK so no one died but Batman ultimately didn't kill Superman or Vica Versa in BvS so I don't know why people talk about ''real'' stakes in the DC films as though they have that above the Marvel ones. BvS killed Jimmy Olsen and then went totally premature with the Doomsday Death of Superman story - but those weren't ballsy moves, they were stupid moves

I need to edit my statement to say: "Trust me, Khev, a-dev and I are 100% right on this one and you're all just wrong lol."