Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[JAWS]

I get what your saying, but whats the time limit on the outrage then?

I mean, we SAY we are just as outraged by what Arnold was said to have done, or what Gunn was doing, or what any male star in the past has done....but are we just to fickle minded as to forget whats been said or done cause it was in the past? Or are we guilty of cutting our favorite slack? And thereby making our least favorite a greater target because we didn’t like them to begin with, for whatever reason??

This is my biggest issue. People say its about racism or sexism, and that current people espousing that view should be called out on it? Boycott someones film (again of which in this case she is only part of a huge ensemble) not buy the figure because of it also? But are those same people sitting around with little Arnold dollies on their shelves, rewatching his films and saying “ah thats not true, Or It was a long time ago so who cares?”

John Wayne was about as racist and homophobic as you get, but we give him a pass now? Why? Cause it was a different time? Then what about Mel Gibson? Ready to Boycott Mad Max?

Should the media be more aggressive with BL on her comments? I guess they could, but like past times, sometimes a certain group has to be the fall guy. Currently it seems to be white men and immigrants.

Its again hypocritical outrage at best from many people.


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Again I think that all boils down to the fact that the bad deeds done by those actors were found out after we already knew them. They had street cred. We fell in love with the characters before we found out what **** ups they were. So its hard to go back and retroactively hate what we loved.

Plus nobody made excuses for those actions. We might forgive after time. Mel has gone on the apology tour time and time again. But his career paid for his actions. Did Arnold apologize? I don't know.. I guess cheating on your spouse does not seem like as a big a deal when it comes to our Hollywood favs as they all seem to do it.

Plus there is the saying.. Time heals all wounds..

But Brie.. Well that just happened. There is no street Cred. No previous roles to love and no real apology for her social justice warrior grandstanding

Nope she knows she can get away with it right now because 1. She is in a freaking Marvel movie right before the biggest one of all time. 2. She is a privilege Hollywood star and the rest of Hollywood and much of the media agree with her views.

So yeah.. She comes across as far more annoying because she has chosen to attack the base that will be a big part of seeing her films.. And unlike Mel and Arnold.. She wont have to apologize. \

I guess you could say she kinda did when she walked it back a bit... But that really seemed like pressure from Disney. But who am I to say?

But like I said.. Some have already come to her defense.. Did people come to Mel's defense? I don't recall. I know when it happened I was like "Oh oh Mel there goes your career *******" and even though I liked him I knew he was going to get what he deserved.

As for Brie, well time will heal all wounds.. If the film is great and she is great in it and she stops the goofy comments in the future. Well I am sure most of us wont care what she said a few months from now.

As for Boycotting.. Meh.. Not a fan... I hope the film is good and I enjoy it. I hope I like her in it. I also hope she does not say dumb sexist things in the future so it will be easier for me to enjoy the films

We would only be "hypocritical" if we criticized Brie for being racist and sexist while we too were also being racist and sexist. It's not like any of the comparisons that you've made are apples to apples anyway. I don't recall Entertainment Weekly running a cover the week before "Saving Private Ryan" hit theaters of Michael Sizemore looking all smug with the caption "Sgt. Horvath Punches Nazis...and Heidi Fleiss," lol.

Exactly..

Except I think he is trying to say that we are being hypocritical because we are outraged by this but we don't complain about racist and sexist actors like Mel or Arnold.

 

[JAWS]

Crap I was Johnny-come-lately with that joke I see, lol.

Great minds

 

[JAWS]

More people should be like me. I have zero interest in actors’ personal lives or political views, I only care that they get the job done on-screen.

They’re perfectly entitled to use their profile as a platform, and I’m perfectly entitled to ignore them. In the years and decades to come, no-one will remember or care what they said anyway.

That said, CM is all about girl power... and I’m OK with that. But Jackson and Mendelsohn almost steal the show.

I have about a 1000 Blu ray movies.. So yeah.. I kinda have to ignore it also. Does not mean I wont get annoyed with it.. I can still enjoy the film and separate the character from the actor.. But with Cap Marvel... Its frustrating that if the film is not very good or underperforms it will be all the men's fault and not the film itself.

Perhaps I would not be thinking this way but Ghostbusters has me gun shy

 

[Khev]

Again I think that all boils down to the fact that the bad deeds done by those actors were found out after we already knew them. They had street cred. We fell in love with the characters before we found out what **** ups they were. So its hard to go back and retroactively hate what we loved.

Definitely. Usually when I watch an old film that features an actor that was outed much later for a certain scandal my mind just reverts back to perceiving them and/or their characters as I thought they were when I first saw it. Ferris Bueller and The Naked Gun are two notable exceptions.

Time does heal wounds and people can grow and change though. I thought Michael B. Jordan was such a ********* in 2015 that I gladly skipped the new FF4. However fast forward a few years and he now seems like a decent guy and I've been able to watch his awesome performances in BP and Creed I/II without ever remembering his "yeah whatever the fans will go see it anyway" days.

 

[e30ernest]

Or just live like the old days and only read the reviews of one or two trusted critics who tend to share your opinion on films.

Yup! I generally stick to a few YT reviewers I tend to agree with/trust to be objective. But I generally only check even their reviews after I've watched the film. I only ever check reviews before watching if I was on the fence over a film.

More people should be like me. I have zero interest in actors’ personal lives or political views, I only care that they get the job done on-screen.

They’re perfectly entitled to use their profile as a platform, and I’m perfectly entitled to ignore them. In the years and decades to come, no-one will remember or care what they said anyway.

That said, CM is all about girl power... and I’m OK with that. But Jackson and Mendelsohn almost steal the show.

Yeah if we have to factor in an actor's personal views when watching any film, we'll probably have a very limited film library to choose from. Especially if we go back to classic films (like that recent John Wayne controversy).

I'll be watching this movie around 6 hours from now. I'll form my opinions about it then.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Figure this belongs here...

Saw an early preview of the film today and gotta say, I’m not sure u really want this figure now. It was an ok movie!

 

[e30ernest]

Interesting:

 

[M United]

I love midnights edge they are a fantastic channel. I watch their Star Trek, DC and Marvel videos.

 

[e30ernest]

I love midnights edge they are a fantastic channel. I watch their Star Trek, DC and Marvel videos.

Yeah I discovered their channel because of STD too. I find his content to be balanced well.

 

[jimcap]

For those that aren't going to see this...
The Post Credit Scene:
SPOILERS!

Spoiler

Damn, Disney got here first!!

 

[Sassafras]

Damn, Disney got here first!!

LOL. Cut off one head, two more shall take its place...

 

[jimcap]

Interesting:

Good vid! A all female Avenger Movie, 2hrs filled with "Yay me!" and "You go girl!"! Can't wait.

 

[Malgus]

The problem is the controversial lead actress.

The problem is a bunch of angry vocal right wing white males making up lies then crying constantly about the lies they themselves made up and attributed to the actress. The fact that everyone can find the exact quote of the actress's statement doesn't deter the angry dishonest white male right wingers from blatantly lieing says a lot about them that we already knew.

 

[xipotec]

I think what it boils down to is both sides, right and left, accuse eachother of exactly the same things - racism, sexism, hypocrisy - and this forum is but a microcosm of what's going on in the world at large. It's a confusing and frustrating situation with not enough compromise going on where division might be healed because we all piss eachother off too much and all want to get the last punishing word in.

Social media has not been worth it IMO. It has a lot to answer for.

Wow....yup


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[xipotec]

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Except I think he is trying to say that we are being hypocritical because we are outraged by this but WE don't complain about racist and sexist actors like Mel or Arnold.

Yes thats what I mean. And I do not mean any of you guys personally. Most folks on this forum are good peeps.

When I say “we” I mean the big “WE” as in all of US. I find self examination to be an interesting pastime, next to examining the behavior of the rest of “WE”.

I also didnt really care about Arnolds sexual assaults (which they are, grabbing people without consent in a sexual way) or Mels outrageous anti Semitic tirade, or Gunns comments, or Polanski or Weinstein ....if I am truthful....I also don’t care about Brie either. So try not to look at me as “one of them”, whomever they are. I am pretty centrist, and damn right wing in many issues.

BUT

Why is it WE didnt care about the past deeds? Was it “Street Cred” as Jaws puts it? Cause many people made excuses for those behaviors, although I agree some of those actors paid a price. ( not for justice sake, but for financial loss that could occur to the studios). I would bet that BL is done in Hollywood as well......they money men do not want controversy, and thats how she will pay. But was it because we already liked them in a previous role?

That might be it....or are we actually guilty of something we are loath to admit? Did we not care because they.....are US? Do we care less when its them less? When people of color or women are abused in society, do we blow it off as “a shame” and move on, while simultaneously taking some sort of action when we feel that same abuse directed toward “our group”. Again, JAWS sorta said this, and I have to agree that it seems to be the tendency of all groups to to care more about racism or abuse....if it happens to people like them.

History is full of these examples.

But we should be taking action when its anyone....hell , its gotten so muddy on social media that we have half of people outright feel a person is lying when they accuse someone, and many others ready to believe anything.

Its a mess, is BL wrong for what shes saying? Yes, have countless other done the same and basically walked away, Yes. So if WE are going to be so pissed off about BL , we need to be sure we have the same laser like focus on anyone who is guilty of similar actions.

Now , how about that CAT!!!!!





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[jimcap]

The problem is a bunch of angry vocal right wing white males making up lies then crying constantly about the lies they themselves made up and attributed to the actress. The fact that everyone can find the exact quote of the actress's statement doesn't deter the angry dishonest white male right wingers from blatantly lieing says a lot about them that we already knew.

Yep, here’s another angry right-wing male making up lies about Brie Larson.

 

[Craig Walker]

Yep, here’s another angry right-wing male making up lies about Brie Larson.

She nails it. Perfect.

 

[e30ernest]

Just got back from watching CM. In a nutshell, it was good. Probably one of the better "origin" MCU stories so far. I grew up in the 90s and I didn't find the film to lean too much on nostalgia. Stranger Things leaned on nostalgia way more than this film. IMO the 90s setting melted away to the background quickly.

The movie did a good job at further building on the world of the MCU. This was an era that was not explored before and I think the film did a good job filling in this gap in MCU history.

Carol Danvers was a mixed bag. Sometimes she was sassy and entertaining character. Sometimes she just looks awkward. Almost like the director told her to "stand and look cool" and Brie didn't know how to do it. Sometimes she's very well-acted but there are scenes where I question why she got casted in that role.

If you are afraid she's a Mary Sue, she's not. She's powerful, but not overpowered in my opinion.

Spoiler

She's probably akin to Thor with Stormbreaker in terms of destructive ability but closer to something like Iron Man in terms of raw strength. She won't be beating Thanos alone.

I do think they didn't develop her character enough though.

Fury was great. I think one of the highlights of this movie was Fury's banter with Carol. It was good to see Coulson in an MCU film again. It's easy to see from this movie why he became Fury's right hand.

Mendelsohn was awesome too.

Now to the "SJW" stuff.... There are some strong feminist moments but they weren't overbearing. To be honest, you'd have to be looking out for this stuff to actually notice. It's not TLJ.

End credits....

Spoiler

The first of the 2 end credits tie directly to Endgame, the second ties back to the first Avenger movie (in a way).

 

[Khev]

Thanks for the review e30ernest. Without getting into spoiler territory how critical do you think it is for someone to see this flick before Endgame? Is it as irrelevant as BP was before IW?

 

[e30ernest]

Thanks for the review e30ernest. Without getting into spoiler territory how critical do you think it is for someone to see this flick before Endgame? Is it as irrelevant as BP was before IW?

There is nothing obvious in the movie so far that links it directly to Endgame except for why Fury waited this long to call her. Now I say that there is nothing "obvious" because there may be some potential story lines that can branch from this. Without knowing what Endgame will be about, can't say for certain that CM does not link to this.

There is some Endgame stuff on the end credits though.