Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[Sassafras]

Who the heck would read a comic book when you can watch your comics come to life in a 150-200 million dollar movie!

When I read comics as a kid I always wished they could exist outside of the printed page sure the books smelled nice but I wanted more but because they couldn’t be made into movies I continued to worship the books like everyone else.

But now a comic book...wtf for!

It’s like wasting your time reading a Playboy now when you have Pornhub at your finger tips lol

Well, some folks like me - depending - like the layout in printed work. Also if ur into graphics - lots of interesting art - like I had to learn too about "inkers" and then a comic book is sent to the people who do the colors...

Me, I feel bad about the print industry - like some others - fading. Tho some comic art seems to be pretty uneven - barely complete. Anyway tho there's probably a backlog of comic inspiration film developers could draw on - it was the comic writers (who didn't seem to have been well treated https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/09/marvel-jack-kirby-and-the-plight-of-the-comic-book-artist/498299/) that "spawned" all the movies. Their imaginations.

IMO it's really good when a film production is ongoing and they get the writer involved (Russos/Brubaker). IMO it's the original writers who know best what they were working to get across.

Since u mention Playboy - they also have some great photographers IMO, er, subject matter aside. (Either that or some great airbrushers/Photoshoppers)

It's like vinyl records (my bro collects) and their art - some of that was great. Anyway IMO it's too bad all that imagination and type of art isn't what it was - don't know where the industry is going. Prob. doesn't matter re immediate future for movies tho. Dunno how long the comic book movie craze will last.

Meanwhile, it seems a director has been tapped for Shang Chi - Daniel Cretton - who *wow* has directed Brie Larsen twice in the past. One big happy Marvel family.
The "roiling" has already begun....
https://www.scmp.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/article/3001652/shang-chi-marvels-first-asian-led-superhero-film-will-only

 

[jye4ever]

So, the artform that gave birth to the characters in these million-dollar films is no longer necessary. Where will the next generation of heroes come from?

You need to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture here.

There are enough characters in existence that will last until eternity.

How many new popular characters were created within the past 30 years?

Spawn? lol

You make it sound like there are no characters to be used.

Next generation will still be Batman, Superman, WW, JL, Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, F4, etc

Besides the creative process is very much alive and well at the film studios.

Comic books ain’t going 100% dead anyways so enough with the Captain Marvel is KILLING OFF THE COMIC BOOK INDUSTRY BS!

You can’t complain about other groups agenda by utilizing your own agenda.

 

[Shaun & Ed Fan]

I saw Captain Marvel yesterday.
It was great I liked it.
Didn’t listen to the crap floating around about it.
Really enjoyed it.

 

[jimcap]

You need to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture here.

There are enough characters in existence that will last until eternity.

How many new popular characters were created within the past 30 years?

Spawn? lol

You make it sound like there are no characters to be used.

Next generation will still be Batman, Superman, WW, JL, Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, F4, etc

Besides the creative process is very much alive and well at the film studios.

Comic books ain’t going 100% dead anyways so enough with the Captain Marvel is KILLING OFF THE COMIC BOOK INDUSTRY BS!

You can’t complain about other groups agenda by utilizing your own agenda.

No one said Captain Marvel is killing the comic book industry. Forgettable stories, poor art, and disrespect for what came before is. It speaks volumes when a reprint of a book from 38 years ago, outsells most of Marvel’s new titles.

 

[xipotec]

No one said Captain Marvel is killing the comic book industry. Forgettable stories, poor art, and disrespect for what came before is. It speaks volumes when a reprint of a book from 38 years ago, outsells most of Marvel’s new titles.

I see many great comic characters created in the last 10-20 years.....

The golden age ones might be fading but new ones will take its place.

Look at the Walking Dead?

Also Saga, Rachel Rising, The Last Man, many many more.

You have to look beyond DC and Marvel.



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Sassafras]

You need to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture here.

There are enough characters in existence that will last until eternity.

How many new popular characters were created within the past 30 years?

Spawn? lol

You make it sound like there are no characters to be used.

Next generation will still be Batman, Superman, WW, JL, Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, F4, etc

Besides the creative process is very much alive and well at the film studios.

Comic books ain’t going 100% dead anyways so enough with the Captain Marvel is KILLING OFF THE COMIC BOOK INDUSTRY BS!

You can’t complain about other groups agenda by utilizing your own agenda.

WTF - dude, that's a BIG jump. Of course CM isn't killing off the comic book industry. No single created character torpedoes an industry. What IS happening is a LOT of stuff - the move from traditional art to digital, for one. But some of us admire hand-drawn stuff like museum plates, comics, movie storyboards, etc. Esp. in my case 'coz I can't draw for *&^%.

But I'd argue that the creative process at film studios has some real problems - across the board. There's dozens of books - not to mention comics - IMO that would make outstanding films. NEW films, fresh material. Instead studios keep rebooting *&^% and a lot of times they don't do a real good job - waste of millions of dollars.

And good writing, doing research as needed to create good writing - that's work. Re CM specifically you've got a director who hauls off and sez "The Tesseract was just hanging around":
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/13/captain-marvel-director-anna-boden-explains-tesseract-use-in-captain-marvel-it-doesnt-make-any-sense/

They just kind of had it lying around somewhere at S.H.I.E.L.D

E.g. as though everyone in the earlier MCU were idiots. Or, if the kind of flippancy and other issues that showed up in CM are Marvel's wave of the future, for me that kind of stuff isn't something I'll pay to see. For me that's not a good story, it's light entertainment u let run while ur surfing online. U don't have to pay attention since it's all fluff anyway - unless u really luv a live action Dragonball.
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-dragon-ball-comparisons

 

[jye4ever]

WTF - dude, that's a BIG jump. Of course CM isn't killing off the comic book industry. No single created character torpedoes an industry. What IS happening is a LOT of stuff - the move from traditional art to digital, for one. But some of us admire hand-drawn stuff like museum plates, comics, movie storyboards, etc. Esp. in my case 'coz I can't draw for *&^%.

But I'd argue that the creative process at film studios has some real problems - across the board. There's dozens of books - not to mention comics - IMO that would make outstanding films. NEW films, fresh material. Instead studios keep rebooting *&^% and a lot of times they don't do a real good job - waste of millions of dollars.

And good writing, doing research as needed to create good writing - that's work. Re CM specifically you've got a director who hauls off and sez "The Tesseract was just hanging around":
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/13/captain-marvel-director-anna-boden-explains-tesseract-use-in-captain-marvel-it-doesnt-make-any-sense/


E.g. as though everyone in the earlier MCU were idiots. Or, if the kind of flippancy and other issues that showed up in CM are Marvel's wave of the future, for me that kind of stuff isn't something I'll pay to see. For me that's not a good story, it's light entertainment u let run while ur surfing online. U don't have to pay attention since it's all fluff anyway - unless u really luv a live action Dragonball.
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-dragon-ball-comparisons

I always need to pay super close attention to your posts they’re so jam packed with info.

I’m just reacting to a photo of CM underneath the headline Marvel Comics in decline.

It’s all good my forum friend remember I never said the MCU is perfect not once have I ever claimed that to be the case of course some fluff exists.

But if anyone who visits this forum on a daily basis were to tell me that the AEG trailer from today didn’t give them goosebumps well then.....they’re lying.

Don’t you dare say you didn’t get goosebumps lol

 

[Sassafras]

I always need to pay super close attention to your posts they’re so jam packed with info.

It’s all good my forum friend remember I never said the MCU is perfect not once have I ever claimed that to be the case of course some fluff exists.

But if anyone who visits this forum on a daily basis were to tell me that the AEG trailer from today didn’t give them goosebumps well then.....they’re lying.

Don’t you dare say you didn’t get goosebumps lol

LOL I didn't. I got chills!

PS. There's definitely room for fluff. I laugh my @ss off at "We're the Millers" and other highbrow productions.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh man I cried laughing with that spider bite to his nuts lol

Watching the new Joker trailer felt like getting bit in the nuts by a spider too.

 

[Sassafras]

Oh man I cried laughing with that spider bite to his nuts lol

Watching the new Joker trailer felt like getting bit in the nuts by a spider too.

Is anyone watching anything besides the EG trailer?

Like, is anyone not maxing their screen and looking for CLUES - Marvel is evil 'coz there aren't any.....

 

[Darkseed]

Finally caught the flick.....pretty average starter film....didn’t think it was worth all the noise from either side.

Didn’t get the Cat or Skrull hype....Marvel was decent enough but bad at being Tony Stark.........did enjoy the Kree. I’m hoping to see more in the future.....

Then there was End Game trailer.....

 

[Neal136]

Then there was End Game trailer.....

Yup! As much as I liked Captain Marvel, Marvel Studios gave it about a week to shine, and then announced to the world:

"OK, **** just got real."

 

[screamingmetal]

Who the heck would read a comic book when you can watch your comics come to life in a 150-200 million dollar movie!

When I read comics as a kid I always wished they could exist outside of the printed page sure the books smelled nice but I wanted more but because they couldn’t be made into movies I continued to worship the books like everyone else.

But now a comic book...wtf for!

It’s like wasting your time reading a Playboy now when you have Pornhub at your finger tips lol

Manga fans, which is actually doing well in the current market.

Comic books are also less expensive to make, basically all you need is talent, about $100 in art supplies and enough money to print your book, OR a artist that's interested that you hire and a publisher that will publish your book for you. So a few thousand dollars at most for a small run. Compared to hundreds, possibly thousands of people, multiple production companies, and millions of dollars for a TV show or movie. You can still do far more in a comic book than you can in any TV show or movie.
Lastly, some people appreciate the art put into a comic book; surprisingly, people buy framed artwork from Sideshow to hang on their walls!

Kids can still buy comics and be into video games, I did when I was a kid so that's no excuse.
The first issue to blame for killing American Comics is distribution. Marvel and DC conspired with Diamond Comics Distributors to strangle the market with the "Direct Market", which is fundamentally a monopoly. You have to go to a comic book store to find comics. When I was a kid, I went to my neighborhood convenience store (Liquor Store in my case) to get my comics which were FAR cheaper back then, ¢75 and you had a fun story vs $4-$8 now for one crappy book.
And that's the other major issue, Marvel Comics was taken over by SJW's pushing Identity Politics down Marvel Fan's throats in 2009 with no care for what the fans wanted, good characterization, good storytelling, or good art. They also forced their artists to stop sexualizing their female characters. Fans stopped buying Marvel comics, a central pillar of the industry and left, the result is the industry is now dead.

Captain Marvel comics happen to be at the heart of this problem. They took Warbird (Carol Danvers) which was a good character prior, and forced her to become the new Captain Marvel, ridiculously increased her power level, subverted all the main Marvel Heroes (who happen to be mostly males at the time) made her the center of Marvel Comics and desexualized her appearance. Then they exclusively hired mediocre female writers who don't like or understand comic books to try and make this scheme work. All this to force a top tier female Marvel character on the fandom, who rejected the obvious and very clumsy attempt.
Now you're seeing that play out in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
You WILL like this character, you WILL buy her merchandise, you WILL love this movie, or else be called a Misogynist, Alt-Right, or Nazi.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Superhero comics got old for me years ago. S same old stories and concepts being rehashed over and over again. There are some standouts though as always of course. The latest Venom series has been pretty great along with Cosmic Ghost Rider (yeah I like Cates writing a lot lol).

Really for me though, it's the non-superhero titles that still keep me interested in stopping by the comic shop. It's a great art form, and can deliver some powerful entertainment when done right.

 

[jye4ever]

I barely have room for my collectibles, blurays and vintage comic books forget adding more comic books and coffee table books i’m out of tables lol

Available space is hard to come by nowadays.

 

[Reefer Shark]

I barely have room for my collectibles, blurays and vintage comic books forget adding more comic books and coffee table books i’m out of tables lol

Available space is hard to come by nowadays.

dude, I hear you! I ran out of space years ago, I have over 100 short boxes of comics and about 50 bankers boxes of trades/hardcovers/omnibus packed away so tight in the garage I cant even get to them lol

Seriously would be happy to sell off 80% of them if I could only make the time and get the energy to dig them out and go through them all.

 

[jye4ever]

My wife is like please let the MCU end please no more “Making of” art books lol

 

[jimcap]

I barely have room for my collectibles, blurays and vintage comic books forget adding more comic books and coffee table books i’m out of tables lol

Available space is hard to come by nowadays.

dude, I hear you! I ran out of space years ago, I have over 100 short boxes of comics and about 50 bankers boxes of trades/hardcovers/omnibus packed away so tight in the garage I cant even get to them lol

Seriously would be happy to sell off 80% of them if I could only make the time and get the energy to dig them out and go through them all.

Folks
You can get them digitally. I read mine on my I-pad. I'll buy a hardcopy only if I really like the cover art.

 

[Dagashi Something]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019...-at-captain-marvel-add-to-movies-controversy/

New reports of empty theaters for Captain Marvel’s weekend showings are the latest in the movie’s ongoing controversy. A number of Twitter users indicated there were empty seats at a number of Captain Marvel showings over the weekend.

We spoke with a movie theater manager who asked for anonymity. He told us they had “exactly 25 no shows for every showing of Captain Marvel on Thursday through Saturday.”

The manager told us this was definitely abnormal, “It’s definitely not normal. People usually show up when they pay for tickets…I’m not sure what it is, we’ve seen big groups not show up before, but they get refunds.”

I asked whether or not these tickets were purchased in bulk, but that information isn’t available, “I’m not sure if they were bought all at once because Fandango doesn’t give us that information, but exactly 25 no shows for every show is probably statistically impossible.”

The manager would add, “I would say it’s someone trying to make the ticket sales look better than they really were.”

He would also indicate he saw significant drop offs in ticket sales from Sunday at his theater, “Sunday for Captain Marvel wasn’t good and Monday and Tuesday were terrible. They were like a 75% drop off from Sunday.”

 

[JAWS]

Who the heck would read a comic book when you can watch your comics come to life in a 150-200 million dollar movie!

When I read comics as a kid I always wished they could exist outside of the printed page sure the books smelled nice but I wanted more but because they couldn’t be made into movies I continued to worship the books like everyone else.

But now a comic book...wtf for!

It’s like wasting your time reading a Playboy now when you have Pornhub at your finger tips lol

I still read comics

and still look at playboy