Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[xipotec]

Folks
You can get them digitally. I read mine on my I-pad. I'll buy a hardcopy only if I really like the cover art.

Same here, digital is the way to go. Hundreds of books on the ipad.

It doesn’t work for alot of collectors who like to have the physical.

I also gave up physical dvd/bluray collecting in favor of Plex, never looked back.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[SwedishHeat]

It's weird to think that the comic book-buying audience is so conservative and "addicted to *******" that featuring female superheroes in prominent roles and putting them in costumes that aren't bathing suits would drive the industry into ruin.

Though I do agree the 'direct market' was probably the biggest bonehead move that has contributed to the industry decline.

 

[Reefer Shark]

Folks
You can get them digitally. I read mine on my I-pad. I'll buy a hardcopy only if I really like the cover art.

yeah thats definitely a much better solution, I just cant seem to get used to it digitally for some reason. Its stupid, I know lol

 

[Reefer Shark]

It's weird to think that the comic book-buying audience is so conservative and "addicted to *******" that featuring female superheroes in prominent roles and putting them in costumes that aren't bathing suits would drive the industry into ruin.

Though I do agree the 'direct market' was probably the biggest bonehead move that has contributed to the industry decline.

Lol it is pretty funny and very true!

 

[jimcap]

It's weird to think that the comic book-buying audience is so conservative and "addicted to *******" that featuring female superheroes in prominent roles and putting them in costumes that aren't bathing suits would drive the industry into ruin.

Though I do agree the 'direct market' was probably the biggest bonehead move that has contributed to the industry decline.

The problem most of us have isn’t that they are female or the way they are dressed. It’s that they are poorly written, self-absorbed characters who don’t act in a heroic manner.

 

[screamingmetal]

It's weird to think that the comic book-buying audience is so conservative and "addicted to *******" that featuring female superheroes in prominent roles and putting them in costumes that aren't bathing suits would drive the industry into ruin.

Though I do agree the 'direct market' was probably the biggest bonehead move that has contributed to the industry decline.

So would you want comic book superheroes like Captain America, Thor, or Wolverine depicted as just every day average looking dudes, or as men with muscle and fit athletic builds like Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, and Hugh Jackman?
See how well the former would go with true comic fans.
Also why do those actors get shown shirtless all the time?
Why should women in comic books be treated with a double standard compared to the men?

Also, no one is saying women can't have prominent Superhero roles (Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batwoman, Hawkgirl, Big Barda, Jean Grey, Storm, Rogue, She-Hulk, Warbird), but they must be done well with subtlety. The Danvers Captain Marvel was not done well or with subtlety in the comics.

 

[e30ernest]

And good writing, doing research as needed to create good writing - that's work. Re CM specifically you've got a director who hauls off and sez "The Tesseract was just hanging around":
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/13/captain-marvel-director-anna-boden-explains-tesseract-use-in-captain-marvel-it-doesnt-make-any-sense/

E.g. as though everyone in the earlier MCU were idiots. Or, if the kind of flippancy and other issues that showed up in CM are Marvel's wave of the future, for me that kind of stuff isn't something I'll pay to see. For me that's not a good story, it's light entertainment u let run while ur surfing online. U don't have to pay attention since it's all fluff anyway - unless u really luv a live action Dragonball.
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/03/captain-marvel-dragon-ball-comparisons

I don't understand that article. The Tesseract was not with the US government. Howard Stark was working under the SSR when he retrieved that and the SSR later became SHIELD. So in a sense, she is right that the Tesseract was technically lying around somewhere in SHIELD.

It's reference to Zola also doesn't check out since he has long been uploaded into that computer before the events of CM based on the technology they used to store his consciousness. All the subsequent research on the Tesseract seems to be of Fury's doing based on what he said in the first Avengers film (the weapons were a response to the appearance of Thor and his fight with the Destroyer) so that lines up with CM.

I don't get what the issue is with the Tesseract's involvement in this film is. I don't see any retcons or plot holes but I'd be glad if I'm pointed to the right direction if I'm wrong here.

 

[greedo737]

Agreed. It fits perfectly.

 

[jye4ever]

Digital comic books

 

[xipotec]

Digital comic books

De clutter man before its too late.....

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[e30ernest]

My problem with digital comic books is that the copies are never really yours. Several years ago I had the Marvel comic app and had several books in my library. Then the app was taken off the Play store so I can no longer access the books.

 

[jye4ever]

I like the smell of books lol

 

[Reefer Shark]

Digital comic books

That's me with most things these days, especially social media lol

 

[Sassafras]

I don't understand that article. The Tesseract was not with the US government. Howard Stark was working under the SSR when he retrieved that and the SSR later became SHIELD. So in a sense, she is right that the Tesseract was technically lying around somewhere in SHIELD.

It's reference to Zola also doesn't check out since he has long been uploaded into that computer before the events of CM based on the technology they used to store his consciousness. All the subsequent research on the Tesseract seems to be of Fury's doing based on what he said in the first Avengers film (the weapons were a response to the appearance of Thor and his fight with the Destroyer) so that lines up with CM.

I don't get what the issue is with the Tesseract's involvement in this film is. I don't see any retcons or plot holes but I'd be glad if I'm pointed to the right direction if I'm wrong here.

I think the reference to "U.S. government" covers SHIELD and from a U.S. perspective, also the U.S. participation in the SSR. Someone is paying SHIELD's bills - like in TWS when a "committee meeting" is mentioned. "U.S. government" is a big umbrella.

So in theory there aren't timeline plotholes per se; it's more of the idea that the "U.S government" - SHIELD or any organization - would not have had teams of people working on the Tesseract from the time of its retrieval by Howard Stark. An object of power - albeit "alien" power - wouldn't just have been "lying around". Avengers 1 is an example IMO of the kind of thing that probably was ongoing, as opposed to the Indiana Jones thing where the Ark was stuffed into a warehouse (which is what the CM director seems to be implying re the Tesseract - and suspect re Brie that's no accident re IJ.).

Boden’s explanation doesn’t pass the sniff test based on what we saw in Captain Marvel either. The Tesseract had actually been removed from Earth by Mar-Vell. I find it really hard to believe that the United States government would allow anyone to remove the Tesseract from one of their black sites...Only her as an alien would even know it had all this power, and figure out how to harness it.

That's another issue - it's pretty unlikely any single individual can just walk off with something like the Tesseract. Apparently, from the very planet. Governments don't work that way. Even if it was done to protect the Earth from dangerous research, a whole lot of people (with security clearances) would have known. Also, Red Skull, the people he took it from, Howard Stark, etc. may not have known the SPECIFICS of the Tesseract but they were obviously getting there; plus it's clear in DS masters of magic were well aware of the Infinity Stones.

Basically tho it's the issue of a kind of flippancy re other MCU films and, for some, too easy of an explanation/excuse for how CM gets her powers (e.g. a whiff of Mary Sue - the Tesseract "chose" her etc.) and also there's already characters in the MCU whose powers come from an Infinity Stone so it's getting tired as a plot device.

For me personally it's not a thrilling explanation for CM, and I'm sorry the MCU didn't stay with SW as super-powered-from-Infinity-Stone and write the story that way, and kept CM for movies after EG.

 

[SwedishHeat]

I think it's making a mountain out of a molehill.

From what I understand, this was a simple answer to a complex plot question at a press junket, where trite answers are given to all questions.

Just more blogspam from people looking to get hits to their website by taking shots at the latest tentpole film.

 

[SilverStar17]

That's me with most things these days, especially social media lol

 

[kiwiatlarge]

My problem with digital comic books is that the copies are never really yours. Several years ago I had the Marvel comic app and had several books in my library. Then the app was taken off the Play store so I can no longer access the books.

Years ago I paid to download the first 15 or so of the Classic G1 Transformers comics to the PSP. Sods didn't even carry the app over to the PlayStation Vita.

Games, It doesn't bother me so much because PlayStation and Microsoft can always patch their hardware nulling specific physical media anyway, so I don't mind chopping and changing (the portable Vita I downloaded 90% of my games).. Movies there are so many different competing stores that for now I'd just rather stick with physical media though.

 

[Robopredinator]

Not sure how to correctly use the Spoiler Tag but with Captain Marvel being out for a week, it's on you if you're still perusing this thread if you still haven't seen the movie.

Saw Captain Marvel last night and I enjoyed the film. While Brie didn't knock it out of the park, I thought she was fine for the role. Really no complaints here with regard to some of the general criticism like her acting, Sam's eye origins, cat being hyped up, digs at men, overuse of 90's nostalgia, odd choice of songs, etc. I was cool with it all - partly because No Doubt was the first band that I got into growing up. I also liked the subtle nods to classic 90's films like the T2 scene, Talos' Pulp Fiction scene and the Independence Day fighter jet scene. Anything else I missed?

While I was disappointed with Brie's comments, I was able to separate that Brie from Captain Marvel and found myself rooting for the character. I'd put this movie up there as one of my top MCU movies personally with IW and BP as my two favorites so far.

 

[e30ernest]

I think the reference to "U.S. government" covers SHIELD and from a U.S. perspective, also the U.S. participation in the SSR. Someone is paying SHIELD's bills - like in TWS when a "committee meeting" is mentioned. "U.S. government" is a big umbrella.

It's difficult to agree with an article that is bashing on a director for generalizing things by generalizing facts as well. The author of that article simply did not do his/her own research on the MCU lore too.

So in theory there aren't timeline plotholes per se; it's more of the idea that the "U.S government" - SHIELD or any organization - would not have had teams of people working on the Tesseract from the time of its retrieval by Howard Stark. An object of power - albeit "alien" power - wouldn't just have been "lying around". Avengers 1 is an example IMO of the kind of thing that probably was ongoing, as opposed to the Indiana Jones thing where the Ark was stuffed into a warehouse (which is what the CM director seems to be implying re the Tesseract - and suspect re Brie that's no accident re IJ.).

Except that it's canon in the MCU that SHIELD does put things like these into storage for indefinite periods of time (The Fridge). They also have a tendency to lose important objects from time to time (e.g., Loki's staff).

That's another issue - it's pretty unlikely any single individual can just walk off with something like the Tesseract. Apparently, from the very planet. Governments don't work that way. Even if it was done to protect the Earth from dangerous research, a whole lot of people (with security clearances) would have known. Also, Red Skull, the people he took it from, Howard Stark, etc. may not have known the SPECIFICS of the Tesseract but they were obviously getting there; plus it's clear in DS masters of magic were well aware of the Infinity Stones.

Like a whole lot of people with high security clearances knew that Hydra was operating within SHIELD?

Also, we're not talking about a "normal" infiltrator here. The person in question comes form a race that has built its own AI that governs its empire, has ships that can hyper jump between star systems, can build personal shields, has communications equipment that can communicate between star systems and more. That person is infiltrating a society where the average data transfer speeds are 56k and can barely send out instant text messages.

If a group like HYDRA can infiltrate SHIELD, it's not a stretch that an advanced alien could too.

Basically tho it's the issue of a kind of flippancy re other MCU films and, for some, too easy of an explanation/excuse for how CM gets her powers (e.g. a whiff of Mary Sue - the Tesseract "chose" her etc.) and also there's already characters in the MCU whose powers come from an Infinity Stone so it's getting tired as a plot device.

For me personally it's not a thrilling explanation for CM, and I'm sorry the MCU didn't stay with SW as super-powered-from-Infinity-Stone and write the story that way, and kept CM for movies after EG.

To me articles like that are just poorly written pieces that are out to look for an excuse to criticize a film they simply don't want due to their bias. CM is far from perfect and there are flaws in the film but IMO this isn't one of them. I actually think it fits perfectly into MCU's canon on how SHIELD operates and how inefficient/bureaucratic the organization has gotten.

 

[e30ernest]

I think it's making a mountain out of a molehill.

From what I understand, this was a simple answer to a complex plot question at a press junket, where trite answers are given to all questions.

Just more blogspam from people looking to get hits to their website by taking shots at the latest tentpole film.