Civil War

[ffl1940]

Hadn't been in a comic shop in a long long while, but I had heard about Civil War on a few podcasts I listed to and I happened to go into a shop a few weeks back and three guys were talking about Civil War at the counter. I could hear they were all anti-registration and talking about how this was a commentary on the Patriot Act etc. Well, I like to have a little fun now and then so I said "do you think we need driver's licenses, pilot's licenses, or, dare I say it, should people have to register handguns?" All three thought those are good ideas. So then I say, "But if a comet passes over a park giving hundreds of people, from infants to the elderly, the power to level a city block with a thought, having them register that ability is unfairly infringing on their rights?" The silence was deafening!

 

[Duckgoo]

Hadn't been in a comic shop in a long long while, but I had heard about Civil War on a few podcasts I listed to and I happened to go into a shop a few weeks back and three guys were talking about Civil War at the counter. I could hear they were all anti-registration and talking about how this was a commentary on the Patriot Act etc. Well, I like to have a little fun now and then so I said "do you think we need driver's licenses, pilot's licenses, or, dare I say it, should people have to register handguns?" All three thought those are good ideas. So then I say, "But if a comet passes over a park giving hundreds of people, from infants to the elderly, the power to level a city block with a thought, having them register that ability is unfairly infringing on their rights?" The silence was deafening!

While your points are valid, there are more things to consider:

(1) Giving up your secret identity would put your loved ones in danger.

(2) Registration means being singled out because you are different. Getting a license to drive, own a gun, etc.. is ok because you choose to engage in these activites. But if you are a mutant or have superpowers like Spidey, you don't have a choice. Registration didn't go so well for the Japanese Americans interned during WWII and even worse for Jews in the Holocaust.

Once you registrated, the government owns you. Do you want to be owned by the government and be told what you have to do? Wouldn't you rather have the choice on what you would like to do with your powers?

I think both sides have valid points, it boils down to what is important to you personally and what you have to gain or lose from registration.

 

[Azog]

Thanks Beren! But I could swore that the first few pages of Spiderman 534 showed the battle taking place in CW # 3. The prisoners that they were transporting in Spiderman 534 were ones taken during the battle of CW #3.

So I think that Marvel make a mistake here with the chronology. I think CW#4 will clear up the confusion.

Good catch on Spiderman's suit!!! I kinda want Marvel to keep all the CW story lines in 1 CW book. All these tangents are making my head spin.

Yeah SPIDEY 534 ties in more with this week FF4

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Thanks for all the help you guys. The list is great. I too wish they would just keep the civil war in one comic. I'll definately read my brother's when he gets them.

Who would have thought Magneto would be opposed to registration?

lol... i havent read the new ones but im looking forward to it this weekend. Magneto agains registration???

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Registration didn't go so well for the Japanese Americans interned during WWII and even worse for Jews in the Holocaust.

Once you registrated, the government owns you. Do you want to be owned by the government and be told what you have to do? Wouldn't you rather have the choice on what you would like to do with your powers?

This sort of sums up why a character like Captain America knows the consequences of what registration leads to. He was there fighting during that era.

Anyone else notice how the concept behind Civil War is very similar to DC's Kingdom Come?

 

[Hightreker]

A question about Kingdom Come/ Civil War similarities was asked at the Civil War panel at Comic Con, but Joe Q. looked at the guy like he was crazy and said he didn't see any similarities. I've never read Kingdom Come before, but apparently you're not alone in thinking this. What similarities are there?

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Kingdom Come basically is a story set in the future of the DC Universe where the classic heroes have retired and a new breed of heroes has taken over. The new heroes are more violent and have very little regard for protecting the public. If innocent folks get hurt during a battle with the bad guys so be it.

The event that sets off Kingdom Come is Captain Atom being torn open by Parasite in a clear gesture of overkill by a group of "heroes". Captain Atom's radiation killed most of Kansas and a good part of the mid western United States. This can be argued to be parallel to the Civil War destruction of the city with all the innocent people. There is also the picking of sides by heroes that side with Superman's Justice League and those that side with Batman's group.

Superman's group, similar to Civil War's registration side, arrests the heroes that are deemed dangerous while Batman's side knows that approach will lead to a disaster (which it does). Joe Quesada denying any similarities is ridiculous.

 

[Hightreker]

That is ridiculous, sounds alot like it. Thanks for the summary, sounds pretty good. I think I've seen the figures before, did Alex Ross do the artwork?

 

[Buttmunch]

(1) Giving up your secret identity would put your loved ones in danger.

How many times did Mary Jane get kidnapped/attacked before she even knew Peter was Spider-Man? At least 3 in just the movies alone before she found out!

Well my brother picked up issue one and loves it. He is trying to track down the rest now and has some questions:

1) How many variant covers are out there?
2) What more does the director's cut #1 have in it? Worth getting?
3) What has been released so far?

Thanks for any replys, links, or help in general to his questions guys!

 

[Hightreker]

1.) There is a Mike Turner varinat cover for each one (1-3 so far) and a sketch cover (Black and white) of that variant cover. Also, for issue number 3 there is an Ed McGuinnes variant cover.

2.) I have both the regular and the directors cut of #1, and I only flipped through the directors cut, but it seems as if all it has is extra interviews and pictures of the original sketches.

3.) I'll have to get back to you on the list of all that's out so far, or mabe someone else can chime in with the complete list, but off the top of my head (including road to civil war) Amazing Spidey 528-534, Fantastic Four 536-539, New Avenegrs 22-23, Civil War 1-3, X Factor 8-9, Two issues of thunderbolts, one issue of cable and deadpool, she hulk #8, wolverine #42-44, civil war x-men #1, young avengers and runaways #1, and New Avengers illumanati.

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Yeah, Kingdom Come is perhaps the highlight of Alex Ross' career in my opinion.

My advise on variant covers: do not worry about them. You can never keep up and the art for them is usually found on the hardcovers. The Director's Cuts are a good way to pick up a meatier version of a popular #1 issue instead of a second printing or a variant cover.

 

[Buttmunch]

Although I've only read Civil War #1, I've chosen a side. See my first sig ever!

 

[Hightreker]

Just read X-Men Civil War #2 and was very pleased. One of the best tie-ins IMO. Also read the new Ghost Rider #2 and have really been enjoying this new series. I'd deffinately recommend it.

 

[Mithrandier]

Civil War release dates have been pushed back. I wonder if they are changing the story any. #4 is still supposed to have a death. Something about a huge hole through someone's chest.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Seriously, #4 should be coming out anyday now, but they pushed back? Do you know to when they pushed em back?

 

[Hightreker]

Civil War release dates have been pushed back. I wonder if they are changing the story any. #4 is still supposed to have a death. Something about a huge hole through someone's chest.

AHHH!!!!!!! That's no good, but if it's for the story's sake, them I'm all for it. Death eh? And something about a hole in a chest? Hmmmmm that should be interesting.

 

[Buttmunch]

While I doubt the death is going to be Captain America or Iron Man, do you guys think either of them or both of them will end up dying in the end? I think Cap could, not sure about Iron Man though. Cap seems more like the guy to " die for the cause" than Iron Man.

 

[Mithrandier]

Updated Checklist as seen at www.uncannyxmen.net.

SEPTEMBER
CIVIL WAR #4
CIVIL WAR FILES
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #6
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #3
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #535
CABLE & DEADPOOL #32
CAPTAIN AMERICA #22
FANTASTIC FOUR #540
HEROES FOR HIRE #2
MS. MARVEL #7
NEW AVENGERS #24
WOLVERINE #46

OCTOBER
CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (One Shot)
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #7
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #4
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #4
CAPTAIN AMERICA #23
HEROES FOR HIRE #3
IRON MAN #13
MS. MARVEL #8
NEW AVENGERS #25
WOLVERINE #47

NOVEMBER
CIVIL WAR #5
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #8
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #536
CAPTAIN AMERICA #24
FANTASTIC FOUR #541
IRON MAN #14
MOON KNIGHT #7 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #1
WOLVERINE #48

DECEMBER
CIVIL WAR #6
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #9
BLACK PANTHER #23
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES (One Shot)
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL (Casualties of War)
MOON KNIGHT #8 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #2
WINTER SOLDIER: WINTER KILLS (Casualties of War)

JANUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR #7
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #537
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #538
BLACK PANTHER #24
BLADE #5 (Casualties of War)
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #10
FANTASTIC FOUR #542
FANTASTIC FOUR #543
MOON KNIGHT #10 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #3

FEBRUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #11
CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT
BLACK PANTHER #25

In regards to Civil War #4, Joe Quesada has said "Thor kicks some major ass and one of Marvel’s biggest characters has a bad day!"..............www.newsarama.com is where the quote was taken from.
The biggest character thing might possibly mean anyone of the super heros that grow in size, not necessarily popularity. Millar has a knack for killing Giant oversized characters. Maybe Thor flies through Goliath's chest or something.

I for one am not upset with the delay. It has been stated that it is for quality reasons. They do not want a fill-in artist on a project of this magnitude. But even if they are re-writing it, so long as it has quality, I am still there.

 

[Hightreker]

Wow, they added a bunch of new things. Glad to see the Moon Knight and Blade thrown in there. Can't wait to see where this is going!

 

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, I'm not too sore about the lateness either. As long as it remains as kickass as it has been so far I am a happy camper. This series has pushed buttons amongst fans that haven't been pushed in a long time. People are debating in comic shops all around the country, groups in every city DIVIDED right down the middle. It's what makes this story so realistic and fun to read. You can see where both sides come from, no matter where your allegiances lie.

I side with Cap on this one, though. Secret Identities are a big part of being a hero, and when you are one of the guys on the street.... you need to be able to escape it and not have your villains attacking your grandmother. Plus, I don't agree with anything that is FORCED upon someone, no matter how good it may be. When people lose their freedom of choice, I draw the line. Nothing like that should ever be controlled by the government. And not to mention that the military would start to use the superheroes as assets in their own silly oil wars.... and that is a truly scary thing to fathom.