Columbia MO swat team kills pets during home raid

[Deckard]

That was partially me, I still feel that way, they are a great deterrent, but when it comes to getting involved, not so great.

They Deter people from robbing banks, and for the most part it works.

But if your a hostage in a bank taht does happen to get robbed, would you rather the bad guys just get away with the insured paper, or would you rather the cops showed up and get into a shootout with you in the crossfire? Believe it or not when the bullets start to fly, they aren't thinking oh he's got a woman near him, they want to shoot that guy before he shoots them, its human nature, fight or flight. It's a shame because to me, it makes protect and serve a meaningless slogan.

 

[hoodonit00]

I would say that they probably did investigate or this guy had already been under surveillance. I highly doubt that they are going to send in a SWAT team over some tip they receive on the phone before checking it out. Like I said, the guy lucked out and was able to unload or dispose of his stash before they arrived.

I agree with what you are saying but there have been a number of cases where the police have picked the wrong house.

 

[dr_teng]

I highly doubt they would send in a SWAT team for a guy at home with a plant. I'm inclined to believe that this guy was dealing in large amounts and was probably tipped off and was able to unload his stash before they arrived.

If he were tipped off before, he probably would've had someone take his child and wife out of the house, or simply not have been in the house himself.

It's not uncommon for these sort of SWAT raids to find little to nothing and involve the death or serious injury of people (including a fair few innocents) involved. Much as I may disagree with the CATO institute, they do have a handy map showing a bunch of botched raids.

https://www.cato.org/raidmap/

If he were actually under surveillance, there is absolutely no excuse for raiding the house with his wife and child present.

 

[Deckard]

If he were actually under surveillance, there is absolutely no excuse for raiding the house with his wife and child present.

I can only imagine how differant this thread would be if they killed a baby.

 

[Jen]

That was partially me, I still feel that way, they are a great deterrent, but when it comes to getting involved, not so great.

They Deter people from robbing banks, and for the most part it works.

But if your a hostage in a bank taht does happen to get robbed, would you rather the bad guys just get away with the insured paper, or would you rather the cops showed up and get into a shootout with you in the crossfire? Believe it or not when the bullets start to fly, they aren't thinking oh he's got a woman near him, they want to shoot that guy before he shoots them, its human nature, fight or flight. It's a shame because to me, it makes protect and serve a meaningless slogan.

I will agree with you that unfortunately often times innocents do get caught in the crossfire. I'm not a police officer so I don't know the steps they are trained to follow in an instance such as this. I would guess that the cops wouldn't open fire unless they were shot upon first. They would only shoot first if they had a clear shot at the robber. If the guy is surrounded outside and is holding people hostage, it doesn't seem to me that the higher ups are going to give the okay for the cops to barge in there and start shooting. Wouldn't they call a hostage negotiator? Causalities makes the force look bad, even if they do get the bad guy. I would think they would take every measure they could to try and insure the innocents safety. Does it always work, no. But I do think they make all efforts to do so.

Maybe I watch too many cop shows?

I agree with what you are saying but there have been a number of cases where the police have picked the wrong house.

Yeah, sadly, there is always going to be human error.

 

[-Super Hans-]

"you shoot ma dog, ima kill your cat"

I dont care what the circumstances were, you just cant go into someones home and gun down there pets.... just aint right

 

[Jen]

If he were tipped off before, he probably would've had someone take his child and wife out of the house, or simply not have been in the house himself.

It's not uncommon for these sort of SWAT raids to find little to nothing and involve the death or serious injury of people (including a fair few innocents) involved. Much as I may disagree with the CATO institute, they do have a handy map showing a bunch of botched raids.

https://www.cato.org/raidmap/

If he were actually under surveillance, there is absolutely no excuse for raiding the house with his wife and child present.

Thanks for the link.

I would be curious to know the number of successful raids.

 

[mr.thrifty]

"you shoot ma dog, ima kill your cat"

I dont care what the circumstances were, you just cant go into someones home and gun down there pets.... just aint right

 

[Jen]

Found this article online

https://www.scribd.com/doc/26174346/OVERKILL-The-Rise-of-Paramilitary-Police-Raids-in-America

Very interesting read. There aren't many raids in my area - or at least few that ever make the news.

I still have high respect for the police, but my viewpoint on these raids has shifted. Very bad policy in my opinion that appears to be doing more harm than good.

So I don't know who do you blame? The not adequately trained officers (which is what I gathered from this article) or those making the policy and giving the ok for these raids?

Anyway, found this interesting. And I will admit that I was naive on this whole SWAT matter and how often these raids occur.

 

[devilof76]

About 10-11 years ago, I had friends living in a house in rural Sabattus, Maine, at the end of a dead end street. They wore clothes that disturbed the neighbors, they listened to music that disturbed the neighbors, they had no jobs, they got drunk a lot, etc.

Some of the neighbors got it in their heads that these people were Satanists. I don't know if they were serious, or what, but they were able to convince the state police that a fully armed raid was warranted. They came in through the backyard with MP5's. Scared the hell out of everyone in the house, tore the place to pieces looking for drugs, and confiscated personal items that showed even the remotest sign of being related to illegal activity.

They found nothing. No charges were filed. No property was returned. No apology. Nothing.

I do not look at all police in that regard, as I've said. It's not easy.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I can only imagine how differant this thread would be if they killed a baby.

This is what my entire problem is with the OP that I made. I hate that the dog got killed, and if anyone ever hurt my dog I'd probably go to jail for putting those responsible in the hospital. But can you imagine how many heads that would roll if the kid that was in the house got shot in the crossfire??

 

[OSCORP]

No excuses ____ this.

And anyone that condones it can f off!

Yeah, i'm a crazy conspiracy guy.




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[The Ween]

Everything is a conspiracy theory these days.

 

[devilof76]

Fantasy is always an option for explaining what is blatantly obvious, when people can't see what's blatantly obvious.