Customs and commerce - make your voice heard!

[wofford29]

Just out of curiousity, because I guess I'm not up to date on the latest yeast batch growing around here, what's the problem with the way the forum is now? Are people really beefin' about having to click to another page if their's isn't on the first? Page surfing is much more streamlined than forum surfing.

 

[Deckard]

Just out of curiousity, because I guess I'm not up to date on the latest yeast batch growing around here, what's the problem with the way the forum is now? Are people really beefin' about having to click to another page if their's isn't on the first? Page surfing is much more streamlined than forum surfing.

That and that they aren't getting enough praise on their figure because they claim other threads are bumping them down to page 3 where no one dare ventures, like pg.2 is vietcong or something.

It couldn't possibly be that not everyone was super impressed by their custom and just didn't bother to comment, so clearly the forum is broken.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Although I mentioned it as a problem, I don't think pages are necessarily the main issue here. The issue is that the enviornment has changed from a "community of friends and artists guild" to "flea market".

The fact that the commission works are dominating the first pages is a result of that, but its not really the sorce of the problem.

 

[galactiboy]

Just out of curiousity, because I guess I'm not up to date on the latest yeast batch growing around here, what's the problem with the way the forum is now? Are people really beefin' about having to click to another page if their's isn't on the first? Page surfing is much more streamlined than forum surfing.

I think the larger issue is that the custom forum is now primarily a commerce section with the majority of threads being related to sales of items or full figures. These tend to get bumped much more frequently causing a stark imbalance between commission threads and people sharing work.

Nothing wrong with either, but since the one tends to overwhelm the other it could be helpful to split the forum.

In the Star Wars forum there was a influx of custom project threads... this lead to an imbalance and it was separated out. And since that happened both forums have run smoother and been easier to navigate.

 

[Commtech]

That and that they aren't getting enough praise on their figure because they claim other threads are bumping them down to page 3 where no one dare ventures, like pg.2 is vietcong or something.

It couldn't possibly be that not everyone was super impressed by their custom and just didn't bother to comment, so clearly the forum is broken.

I have a feeling there's so much truth in this assumption.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Just out of curiousity, because I guess I'm not up to date on the latest yeast batch growing around here, what's the problem with the way the forum is now? Are people really beefin' about having to click to another page if their's isn't on the first? Page surfing is much more streamlined than forum surfing.

Honestly, it began as a discussion with people missing the way the board used to be, and I think some of the newer folks started taking it personally and the whole thing just spun out of control. I originally voted for a customs sub-section, but now that I think on it, I think we should just leave it the way it is. The board has changed, the vibe is different, and the good ol' days are gone. Best to just accept. Splitting the forum isn't going to change that.

 

[wofford29]

That and that they aren't getting enough praise on their figure because they claim other threads are bumping them down to page 3 where no one dare ventures, like pg.2 is vietcong or something.

It couldn't possibly be that not everyone was super impressed by their custom and just didn't bother to comment, so clearly the forum is broken.

I just found that other thread that seems to be what started all this so I'll post what I just posted there in here.

To be 100% honest, and I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure I'll get some flack for this, but the only reason I come on the customs board is to see who's making something awesome that I want to own. The only reason I ever click on anyone's experemintal postings of what they are working on currently is because it's mixed in with the stuff I'm here for. Move the offerings section to another sub forum and I'd never see anyones work unless it's for sale and I'm interested. Like I said though, I'm sure a lot still would, but I'm sure I'm also not alone, so it sort of defeats the purpose of having your work be seen if there's a mass exodus.

 

[galactiboy]

That and that they aren't getting enough praise on their figure because they claim other threads are bumping them down to page 3 where no one dare ventures, like pg.2 is vietcong or something.

It couldn't possibly be that not everyone was super impressed by their custom and just didn't bother to comment, so clearly the forum is broken.

Why are you focused on this praise issue... do you need attention? Threads were people are buying things tend to get a lot more posts due to the business nature... "I want one", "the eyes are too green", "take me off the list", "so and so made a better one", etc.

This creates a disproportionate amount of posting and leads to non-commerce custom threads getting buried w/in a day and completely lost after a few days.

Look at the Alex DeLarge thread... no product shown but hundreds of posts discussing what people would like to see

 

[Deckard]

Why are you focused on this praise issue... do you need attention? Threads were people are buying things tend to get a lot more posts due to the business nature... "I want one", "the eyes are too green", "take me off the list", "so and so made a better one", etc.

This creates a disproportionate amount of posting and leads to non-commerce custom threads getting buried w/in a day and completely lost after a few days.

Look at the Alex DeLarge thread... no product shown but hundreds of posts discussing what people would like to see

Beacuse thats what people are claiming, "people don't see my work because all the commission threads knock it to pg.2" Again its simply that no one cares. Sorry but if they did, they'd find it on Pg.2

Although I mentioned it as a problem, I don't think pages are necessarily the main issue here. The issue is that the enviornment has changed from a "community of friends and artists guild" to "flea market".

The fact that the commission works are dominating the first pages is a result of that, but its not really the sorce of the problem.

The idea that removing those threads is going to somehow garner more attention to not for sale customs is insane frankly. People come to this section and see both threads they choose to click on one because it interests them more.

For example I look at elvis's thread all the time, I only comment on characters he does I'm familiar with because I don't know enough about the others. I never played MGS so I don't comment on his customs of those characters. Sometimes there is just a lack of interest, and moving things isn't going to change that. Its like the idea in Casino of putting the slots in the front because thats where they make the most money, the smart people are still going to walk right past them into the back to sit at the poker table and still not care about the slots.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I think the idea that people are offended over their custom not getting noticed is a strawman arguement. I can easily turn it back on you and say the only reason you want it to stay the same is because you have $$$ involved and don't want to risk a change and are fine with it being inconvenient for everyone else as long as you can find your own thread on the front page.

 

[Deckard]

I think the idea that people are offended over their custom not getting noticed is a strawman arguement. I can easily turn it back on you and say the only reason you want it to stay the same is because you have $$$ involved and don't want to risk a change and are fine with it being inconvenient for everyone else as long as you can find your own thread on the front page.

I have no $$$ at stake, I am hosting projects but not sculpting or anything and will make zero money from The Walking Dead project.

I simply started it because I wanted a figure of Rick and that was the way to get it. Nothing free, no money, no discount, all my time is gifted to dealing with it, I am volunteering. Try again.

 

[galactiboy]

Beacuse thats what people are claiming, "people don't see my work because all the commission threads knock it to pg.2" Again its simply that no one cares. Sorry but if they did, they'd find it on Pg.2

That is one portion of the discussion... but not the largest part. Another part of it is that commissions and commerce are a separate entity and should be treated as such.

In the end we don't have to agree on what's right; it will be decided by the board. But personally I'd prefer to see them split in an effort to keep the customs sections more homogeneous.

 

[marker2037]

Customs section is easy enough to navigate as is. Things will get muddled with all the "interest" "for sale" "show off your" threads. Threads will get duplicated and redundant.

Instead of having to skip over the "1/6 Kato Joker clothes" thread. You'll have to skip over the "Interest list for Kato Joker clothes" and the "Deposit list for Kato Joker clothes" thread in one section as well as the "Show your Kato Joker clothes" thread in the other section.


People who found it hard to skip over 1 thread will now have a much more difficult time skipping over 3 of the same thread. It's honestly not that hard now to go on to the next page guys.



I say leave it.

 

[ProgMatinee]

In the end, I don't think splitting off threads of commissions is going to somehow kill commissions. And splitting off amateur works is not going to kill amateur works.

Deckard, I don't understand why you think one section would become the redheaded step child vs the other. In the end its simply about organizing the forum so that people can find and be part of the chosen community they want to be a part of. If someone wants to be a part of the amateur community they should have their choice to do that. If someone wants to be a part of the commission community they can do that. If someone wants to be a part of both they can do that.

I don't understand the desire to require people who want only 1 to have to go through both. Its like hosting a party with 2 sets of people and FORCING them to mingle when they don't want to.

Further, people who only are interested in GI Joe should only need to look at GI Joe if they want, etc. Thats why I still say split it by license.

 

[Deckard]

Again dude, I have just pointed out some points like getting buried, sounding stupid.

My beef isn't some split in community, its that I'll have to look at two Dude threads, two Alex threads, etc. eventually. I honestly believe it will double the amount of stuff to go through and would rather have our personal galleries back that were disabled a year ago because of space issues on the board. If were going to institute something that would take up space to show our stuff off, thats the option I want, not another sub forum.

 

[toylion]

I just found that other thread that seems to be what started all this so I'll post what I just posted there in here.

To be 100% honest, and I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure I'll get some flack for this, but the only reason I come on the customs board is to see who's making something awesome that I want to own. The only reason I ever click on anyone's experimental postings of what they are working on currently is because it's mixed in with the stuff I'm here for. Move the offerings section to another sub forum and I'd never see anyones work unless it's for sale and I'm interested. Like I said though, I'm sure a lot still would, but I'm sure I'm also not alone, so it sort of defeats the purpose of having your work be seen if there's a mass exodus.

So making a separate thread for bashes should make it easier for you to find what you're looking for and you'll never have to visit the one off custom section.

 

[Deckard]

So making a separate thread for bashes should make it easier for you to find what you're looking for and you'll never have to visit the one off custom section.

The search feature isn't for that?

 

[toylion]

The search feature isn't for that?

Huh? I meant his search for only the custom stuff he wants to buy. And he won't be bother by bashes he has no interest in.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Again dude, I have just pointed out some points like getting buried, sounding stupid.

My beef isn't some split in community, its that I'll have to look at two Dude threads, two Alex threads, etc. eventually. I honestly believe it will double the amount of stuff to go through and would rather have our personal galleries back that were disabled a year ago because of space issues on the board. If were going to institute something that would take up space to show our stuff off, thats the option I want, not another sub forum.

1) Why would a seller need to create 2 Dude threads?
2) Why as a buyer would you need to look in 2 Dude threads?

Are you really interested in reading 20 posts by various people saying "I love it, PM sent" "Hey how much? PM sent" "When will it be done? PM sent" ETC ETC ETC.

Or are you more interested in status updates by the artist? In which case the artist can simply update all his business logistic management crap in his fs thread or preferrably by PM or email.

 

[Deckard]

1) Why would a seller need to create 2 Dude threads?
2) Why as a buyer would you need to look in 2 Dude threads?

Are you really interested in reading 20 posts by various people saying "I love it, PM sent" "Hey how much? PM sent" "When will it be done? PM sent" ETC ETC ETC.

Or are you more interested in status updates by the artist? In which case the artist can simply update all his business logistic management crap in his fs thread or preferrably by PM or email.

No offence but are you actually reading my posts because I explained it several times.

Its not the seller.

I'm saying the seller would come and start a commerce Dude thread. So people are in there going I can't wait for this etc.

Then when it comes out a month later, the people who bought it, would have every right to start a "show your dudes" picture thread in the regular non commerce custom section. Thus 2 dude threads would exist and you would also have some people just posting there pics in the for sale thread, so now 2 threads are active for one project. Get it?

Same deal for walking dead, one thread by me to get interest and show progress in one section, a 2nd thread in the regular section by people who built it and just want to show finished Rick. 2 more threads, keep it going for every head custom, every full figure etc. it turns into an extra 20 threads a month.

To answer what I want to see, I'll take whatever, there is plenty of convo to be had about the project, what we'd like to see etc, its a discussion forum not a picture menu.