DC RELAUNCHING entire Universe in September

[Jill Sandwitch]

If it's that then I'd definitely buy the book. Anything else and I'd be very weary... if they keep her history intact but she suddenly has the use of her legs again then it's a definite non-purchase!

I sure as hell wouldn't if it is infact I'd be spamming DC with hate mail because of it considering that'll be the ONLY Batgirl book.

 

[Erech Overaker]

Wait, dudes running around in bright spandex underwear tussling with other dudes running around in bright spandex underwear doesn't kinda tip you off that you might've been missing for years what kinda men are actually in the comicky books?

"Manliness"

 

[The Batman Professor]

These are our modern mythology. Just as El Cid wore armor and Spartacus a loincloth, this is the iconography of these fictional demigods. Keep laughing, junior.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

So this reboot is to lure Marvel fans like me who has one or two DC books but doesnt follow it, yet in my forbiddenplanet newsletter, there is Batmn 1, Batman: The Dark Knight 1, Batman & Robin 1, Nightwing 1, batwoman 1, batgirl 1, batwing 1...

So presumably Batman will rotate between a number of these books meaning within a few months there will be a convuluted history of the characer again, WTF!!!! why not ONE BOOK for Batman!

I'd like to get into it without having to wiki the entire history of bats, but with this format i'll have to pick up every book to get whats really going on, sigh!

 

[The Batman Professor]

Nova, I agree. But as we know, DC's gotta milk the cash cow.

 

[The Batman Professor]

If the truth be known, I'd wager that right now Batman is worth more in real dollars to DC that the rest of their stable combined. If Campbell's LANTERN or Snyder's SUPES film is a hit, that will change of course.

 

[The Mike]

So this reboot is to lure Marvel fans like me who has one or two DC books but doesnt follow it, yet in my forbiddenplanet newsletter, there is Batmn 1, Batman: The Dark Knight 1, Batman & Robin 1, Nightwing 1, batwoman 1, batgirl 1, batwing 1...

So presumably Batman will rotate between a number of these books meaning within a few months there will be a convuluted history of the characer again, WTF!!!! why not ONE BOOK for Batman!

I'd like to get into it without having to wiki the entire history of bats, but with this format i'll have to pick up every book to get whats really going on, sigh!

Well according to DC Batman will appear in Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, Batman & Robin, Justice League and Justice League International. He is a supporting character in Nightwing, Batwoman, Batgirl and Batwing not appearing in every issue but I get your point.

Superman will appear in Superman, Justice League, Action Comics and then support in Supergirl and Superboy I believe.

Hal Jordan stars in Green Lantern, Justice League and supports in Green Lantern Corps, Green Lantern: New Guardians & Red Lanterns

People are definitely getting spread thin.

If the truth be known, I'd wager that right now Batman is worth more in real dollars to DC that the rest of their stable combined. If Campbell's LANTERN or Snyder's SUPES film is a hit, that will change of course.

Batman is definitely the new headliner because he has brought more fans to the source material than anyone else. DC though is fickle, when Superman Returns was coming out there were a ton of Superman based tie-ins all over Warner properties including DC, now it's Green Lantern, next year it'll be Batman again and then Superman, etc. Despite the fame, they definitely push whatever is new at the time.

 

[Erech Overaker]

These are our modern mythology. Just as El Cid wore armor and Spartacus a loincloth, this is the iconography of these fictional demigods. Keep laughing, junior.

Like your last, a pretty loaded statement I'd love to spend some time debating, but I will just leave it at this:

 

[The Batman Professor]

It's not about sexual orientation. Rock Hudson was gay, and he was more manly than Orlando Bloom, who comes off as a sissy, but is apparently a chick magnet.

Which one of those dudes in the photo is you?

 

[Jill Sandwitch]

Wait, dudes running around in bright spandex underwear tussling with other dudes running around in bright spandex underwear doesn't kinda tip you off that you might've been missing for years what kinda men are actually in the comicky books?

"Manliness"

Eh are you trying to say super heroes are gay while simultaneously insulting gays?

 

[thenammagazine]

It's not about sexual orientation. Rock Hudson was gay, and he was more manly than Orlando Bloom, who comes off as a sissy, but is apparently a chick magnet.

Which one of those dudes in the photo is you?

 

[Agent0028]

A flashback series for Batgirl seems like it would make the most sense. I really like Barabara as Oracle and having a new Batgirl whether it is Cain or Brown.

Edit: Sorry, I'm behind. It's so hard to keep up with these threads when I have to work. I envy those of you who can visit the board while on the clock.

 

[The Mike]

Never was a fan of Cain, her character always seemed forced in every direction from her toughness to her mystery, etc. I really did love that they brought back Stephanie and made her Batgirl, that book was one of DC's bests and I'm sad it didn't make the cut.

 

[Jair]

Never was a fan of Cain, her character always seemed forced in every direction from her toughness to her mystery, etc. I really did love that they brought back Stephanie and made her Batgirl, that book was one of DC's bests and I'm sad it didn't make the cut.

I agree to some point, Cain as Batgirl was pretty well written and for the most part self contained outside of the occasional Batman appearence. It had a great run and I have no idea why the cancelled it.

I've never been a big Batgirl fan other than she was part of the batfamily, I was never a fan of Grayson with Barbara (always thought Starfire, was the girl for him).

I kinda ignored the Stephanie insert in the beginning, she was spoiler and that seemed to fit her before her...disappearence. I overheard some folks in my LCS talking about the book last year and I for the most part ignore Bat books these days, but I picked up the first Stephanie trade and it was well written and well drawn. I picked up the second trade and it was still good stuff.

I think both Cain and Brown worked well as Batgirls, just each was very different. I think in general Batgirl is one of those characters, DC has no idea what to do with.


Evan

 

[sfa]

^ As fond as I am of the original character, I personaly think they should have just cut Batgirl completely - go back to how things were 15-20 years ago.
Before Batman The Animated Series brought her back Batgirl was pretty much a dead character. There was only Batman, Nightwing, Robin & Oracle. Nice and simple - they should have gone back to that.

Also, I've never really understood why DC like to have multiple Batman titles running that all take place in the same continuity - they've done it for years and now very soon we'll have Detective, Batman, Batman & Robin, The Dark Knight & Batman Inc. all in the same continuity and pretty much all featuring the same characters.....
Is there really any need for that?
Why can't they have each title based in it's own continuity, like one set in the current comic universe - one set in a more realistic universe akin to the movies - one set in a universe akin to the Arkham Asylum games - one set in a more fantasatic universe with other super-heroes & leagues....
Surely that would please everyone wouldn't it? Then you could pick a couple of titles you liked and just enjoy their own contained stories rather than multiple books of basically the same cross-over plots.
In fact I'd be more inclined to pick up one of each book if they were like that - it would be interesting having the changes of pace and different situations.
If DC really only want one continuity running for Batman - then why not just have one book?

 

[Jill Sandwitch]

^ Wasn't the Huntress also around at that time?

 

[Jair]

^ As fond as I am of the original character, I personaly think they should have just cut Batgirl completely - go back to how things were 15-20 years ago.
Before Batman The Animated Series brought her back Batgirl was pretty much a dead character. There was only Batman, Nightwing, Robin & Oracle. Nice and simple - they should have gone back to that.

Also, I've never really understood why DC like to have multiple Batman titles running that all take place in the same continuity - they've done it for years and now very soon we'll have Detective, Batman, Batman & Robin, The Dark Knight & Batman Inc. all in the same continuity and pretty much all featuring the same characters.....
Is there really any need for that?
Why can't they have each title based in it's own continuity, like one set in the current comic universe - one set in a more realistic universe akin to the movies - one set in a universe akin to the Arkham Asylum games - one set in a more fantasatic universe with other super-heroes & leagues....
Surely that would please everyone wouldn't it? Then you could pick a couple of titles you liked and just enjoy their own contained stories rather than multiple books of basically the same cross-over plots.
In fact I'd be more inclined to pick up one of each book if they were like that - it would be interesting having the changes of pace and different situations.
If DC really only want one continuity running for Batman - then why not just have one book?

They did for Batman for many years, it was the Batman the animated series comics, which were pretty good, self contained, good writing and other than they were sorta young readers, the stories were still good.



Evan

 

[Kabukiman]

^ Legends of the Dark Knight was originally outside of the main continuity as well. Those were some damn good stories too.

 

[The Mike]

 

[The Mike]

The website TOPLESS ROBOT's take on this:

Seriously, DC, What the @#$%
By Rob Bricken in Comics Friday, Jun 17, 2011, at 12:15 PM

​I've been quiet on the Crisis on Infinite Reboots front, mainly because at a certain point I just had to shake my head and shrug. DC's been talking, though, stressing this isn't a reboot of the DC universe but merely a relaunch, although both of those imply there was some kind of "plan" behind them, and I very much have my doubts about this. So let's go over some of the news:

• Contrary to former reports, the ____ that happened in Batman Inc. still happened. So there's a Batman Inc. Although why Bruce Wayne is suddenly Batman again and not running Batman Inc. is unknown.

• In fact, all the big ____ Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns wrote over the past few years are still canon, including the Skittle Lantern saga and Final Crisis. Funny how that works, eh?

• Big ____ like The Killing Joke also happened. So Barbara Gordon was shot and paralyzed and is now suddenly fixed, I guess. Somehow.

• Suddenly gone: Superman and Lois Lane's marriage. It's erased. Never happened. Mephisto was unavailable for questioning.

• Action Comics, the one starring Blue Collar Superman, is apparently set at the dawn of DC's superheroic age, which, in this new re-whatever, started five years ago. Superman was the first superhero in the DC universe, and Action Comics will tell his early stories.

• Which means Batman has been operating for 4.5 years, max.

• Which is a very short amount of time to mentor ____ Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake, although all of them still exist. Oh, also, it was a good idea that Bruce Wayne knocked up Talia Al'Ghul five years before he apparently became Batman, so that 10-year-old Damian Wayne could exist and be his current Robin.

Ignoring the stupidity of adding hard dates to something as ridiculously nebulous as comic book timelines -- there's a reason no one does that, and that's so ____ like Batman fathering Damian before he becomes Batman doesn't happen --you cannot tell me this is a plan. For DC's sake, I almost hope it isn't -- because if some said "We need to make our comics more accessible to new readers, Let's get rid of Superman's marriage and let Batgirl walk again, AND KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE, PROBLEM SOLVED" that's actually worse than if they just didn't know what they were doing. I will say that DC is right about one thing: This isn't a reboot or a relaunch. It's just a mess.