DC RELAUNCHING entire Universe in September
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No, I think Kabuki pulled a fast one, but there's another page where she's lying on the floor surrounded by Polaroids. I can't find it though. Still looking. But the rape is implied. Just taking nudie shots of Barbara would have less of an impact given Joker shot her point black in front of Gordon. While I don't think the idea of sleeping with Barbara turns him on, the idea of Gordon being tortured and tormented with Barbara being raped, especially after just being shot and paralyzed would.
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Also, at the time, Barbara wasn't really considered an important character. But what happened to her was important to what happens to Gordon, so "having a main character get raped" really isn't applicable here. Dammit, all this back n' forth is gonna make me dig it out of the boxes in the garage and re-read it.
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Joker should have forced Gordon to fap to the Polaroids like in the graphic novel of him SHOOTING and RAPING Barbara. 
Actually, I've never read it in it's entirety but doesn't the Joker in the recent graphic novel "Joker" make someone due that? It's either the Joker himself or he forces someone to do it. Maybe Dr. Wertham was on to something.
Actually, I've never read it in it's entirety but doesn't the Joker in the recent graphic novel "Joker" make someone due that? It's either the Joker himself or he forces someone to do it. Maybe Dr. Wertham was on to something.
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i always assumed he took the naked pics to highlight her injury and vulnerablity to gordon
the joker wont hestiate to rape her but it just seems that he wont be interested in that at all
the joker wont hestiate to rape her but it just seems that he wont be interested in that at all
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I've never read The Killing Joke because its only reprinted in hard cover and my OCD only lets me buy TPBs (I like uniformity). From everything presented here, I'm inclined to believe Barbara was raped. While just the naked pictures of her being shot would be enough to disturb Gordon, taking it to the next level and raping her really puts it over the top. I don't think Joker is going to miss that opportunity. Plus, didn't he rape Harley Quinn?
To blame that belief on someone's parents is ridiculous. Rape is, unfortunately, a very common crime in our society. Comics reflect real life and its not a stretch to believe that rape would be hinted.
Obviously it wasn't explicitly shown due to the title and that there were likely younger readers. DC was just showing good taste in allowing older readers to get it, while it went over the head of younger ones. We see this all the time in kids movies dealing with adult issues.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents, for what its worth, which is proabably alot less than 2 cents.
To blame that belief on someone's parents is ridiculous. Rape is, unfortunately, a very common crime in our society. Comics reflect real life and its not a stretch to believe that rape would be hinted.
Obviously it wasn't explicitly shown due to the title and that there were likely younger readers. DC was just showing good taste in allowing older readers to get it, while it went over the head of younger ones. We see this all the time in kids movies dealing with adult issues.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents, for what its worth, which is proabably alot less than 2 cents.
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I've heard that Harley was supposed to be raped in her office by Joker, but there is no such event published. Not even ambiguously.
At the forum where I found the statement by Gail Simone, someone also pointed out the The Killing Joke was released as a 'mature reader' title (on account of all the bareass shots and the level of violence) so if they wanted to make it clear that she was raped, they could have.
The most telling piece I found was that Moore himslef said there was no rape, but I have no source for that. It was also mentioned that Mike Grell insisted that Dinah Lance was not raped in The Longbow Hunters, which caught me by complete surprise.
Still, I was talking to a friend who read both when they came out and he didn't buy either statement for a second. It was so solid in his mind that they had both been raped, and for so long that even the authors' word on the matter was irrelevant. That was what gave the stories the impact they had and it made no sense to him that it could be otherwise.
At the forum where I found the statement by Gail Simone, someone also pointed out the The Killing Joke was released as a 'mature reader' title (on account of all the bareass shots and the level of violence) so if they wanted to make it clear that she was raped, they could have.
The most telling piece I found was that Moore himslef said there was no rape, but I have no source for that. It was also mentioned that Mike Grell insisted that Dinah Lance was not raped in The Longbow Hunters, which caught me by complete surprise.
Still, I was talking to a friend who read both when they came out and he didn't buy either statement for a second. It was so solid in his mind that they had both been raped, and for so long that even the authors' word on the matter was irrelevant. That was what gave the stories the impact they had and it made no sense to him that it could be otherwise.
thenammagazine
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I see that mentioned everywhere but there's no evidence to back that up. I'm wondering if that was made up by people who didn't want to believe he'd written rape into a story. But going off of his other works, it's more likely that was his full intent, especially from how the artist drew some of the photos.
There is or was a Soft Cover re-print of it just recently that's when I picked it up. If it's still available or not I don't know.
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Kamandi
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Alan Moore wrote MarvelMan during that same period of time. Kid Marvelman's human form was raped by two older boys before he uttered the phrased that changed him to the (evil) Kid Marvelman.
Moore was never afraid to write stuff like that, but I could see DC getting cold feet about Batgirl being explicitly raped. I think from the nudity it's implied even if it's not "on the page".
Moore was never afraid to write stuff like that, but I could see DC getting cold feet about Batgirl being explicitly raped. I think from the nudity it's implied even if it's not "on the page".
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No prob. That price is a steal for such a great read.
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Weird, that a shoe ad would be one of the first sources of these new costumes. I guess, that the stupid lines on Superman's costume is not just for him. Don't know how accurate these ads are to the new costume designs but notice the flash boots are similar, too. Does it look like Batman lost his underwear, too?
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/15/clips-of-those-dc-relaunch-costumes/
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/15/clips-of-those-dc-relaunch-costumes/
thenammagazine
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Batman already lost his underwear when David Finch designed the Batman Inc. costume. The new suit isn't that different aside from the gloves and the chest emblem.
I really don't know what to make of the glowing lines, though. Hopefully it's just an occasional feature equivalent to when he activated sonar mode in The Dark Knight.
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These are older and have been refined by no one is sure whether or not those Tron inspired elements are still there. Flash I know is different, the boots are still there but his costume has a ton of large lines and stitches where lightning will actually flow out of him.
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From a character with a 71-year history who's never demonstrated any rape tendencies before or after said "implied rape"??
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From a character with a 71-year history who's never demonstrated any rape tendencies before or after said "implied rape"??
Frankly, in that 71-year history, the book had never seen a writer like Moore. So your point is mute. We've already discussed that Joker wouldn't have raped her for sexual reasons, but to exploit and further emotionally cripple Gordon. What would put a father over the edge more? Nudie pics of his daughter? Or seeing pics of her raped? Read the book.
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