Well I heard one person theorize that the bio-signal the master sent out rewrote Donna's biology to be more like a time lord... so if the two theories are true, Donna may become a time lord, but dies to save the Doc.
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Memnoch
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Either Donna or Wilf have to bite it otherwise folks hyped it up far too much. I expect some regenerations and some deaths.
RTD never kills off any important good guys outright.
Somebody might get a few Captain Jack "deaths" but I'll be suprised if there's an actual, run over by a truck , shot in the head at point blank range, heart ripped out by that ninja from Mortal Kombat, absolute, final, no chance of a return in the next series whatsoever kind of death.
Memnoch
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I'd be quite surprised by that kind of death too.
William Shatners Toupee
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It reminded me of those crappy NPR versions of LOTR. There is a scene with Sam saying he will carry Frodo and it really does sound like they are engaging in... um.... you know.
What about the third LOTR movie where Gandolf is looking down at Frodo in bed at the end of the movie. My God, I thought he was going to climb in and join him right there. (laugh) Gandalf had "the horny eyes".
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Just trying to convey the difference between events that would bring about actual death ( though the MK one is unlikely
) and RTD's definition.According to RTD death is,
Being trapped in another dimension becoming "dead" in their original one. Then being miraculously brought back for a cheap ratings pop a couple series later.
Regaining consciousness shortly after before spending time on a roof complaining to a random person about being dead before finally departing this mortal realm days or weeks later.
Having ones memory wiped which is far less disturbing to the kiddies than say, having Davros personally exterminate a companion to demonstrate he's a legit threat to the good guys instead of "just another" villain.
"Oh my God! They killed Jack..........again!"
William Shatners Toupee
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I am excited. I always hope to be tuning in for a good story with no... campiness. I hope this finale is a home-run knocked out of the park, yet I am happy for RTM's reign to be over. I think RTM likes style over substance, but Moffat respects the telling of the story a bit more, which I am ecstatic about.
I hope that's how he approaches things now he's the one calling the shots.
Has there been any indication as to a possible format change as I'm hoping for an end to the one offs and a full on return to the serial format.
Obviously 4-6 parters wouldn't work in today's "TV for people with ADD" environment but I think 2-3 parts per story should be experimented with for a series.
Memnoch
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Far as I know theres no changes in the format and I wouldn't expect there to be. I think it just needs to be accepted the old format isn't coming back unless it's something like Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords or for short "The Masters Return".
If that's the case then I hope the new regime fails miserably and the show once again becomes a thing of the past.
If the last 4 series has proved anything 45 minutes never allows for anything but style over substance and I've had all I can stomach of that approach.
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William Shatners Toupee
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No you don't. Quit trying to wind people on here up! (laugh)
Memnoch
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Well the majority of the public tends to disagree. It's interesting that the die hard fans of the older episodes take a stance that if it isn't done like the old show, they'd rather it be dead and buried again.
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I don't think the new style is all that different. There's been plenty of 2 parters, and considering the new series are hour long episodes instead of half hours, that' the same as an old 4 parter, which is when the classic series was at it's best. Those 6 parters really tended to drag in the middle for the most part.
I have been a fan since I saw my first Doctor Who story (Planet of Evil) way back when I was only wee... and watching many of the stories now, its really obvious that a lot of padding was stuffed into those old episodes.
However bcm's point is not lost on me... RTD's style doesn't fit well with the blow out extravaganzas and often times they seem to move too quickly and characters are not developed like they should be.
However bcm's point is not lost on me... RTD's style doesn't fit well with the blow out extravaganzas and often times they seem to move too quickly and characters are not developed like they should be.
Memnoch
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But it's the hyperbole. Rather it be canceled again because it's not 4 or 6 half hour episodes? A bit extreme but a view shared by many die hard classic only fans.
The old show did it once in 26 years.
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All very true, but I blame that on RTD and his preference in storytelling and not on the new format. The new format just hasn't been utilized to the best it can be. Just like many two-parters fall flat in Nu Who in part two. A stronger overseer more interested in telling a tighter story would have tackled those reccurring problems. As an example of format, I've been watching the first 5 seasons of HOUSE on DVD, and man, sometimes a 50 minute episode seems like an hour and a half thay have so much in them.
I am surprised at the comment many classic fans comment they would rather see the series go away if the format doesn't change. As someone who suffered through 15 years of no Who on tv, it was aweful and bleak and I would never want to go through that again. Even in the old series when I found the Colin and Sly seasons to be pretty unbearable I didn't want the show to end, I just wanted it to be better.
Kabukiman
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RTD will kill people, just not on Who (yet?)
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I just watched the 10 part War Games recently for the first time, and oh my god, it's nothing but get captured/escape, get captured/ escape, get captured/escape. Getting through that was an endurance test. I think that's one of the reasons the Tom Baker era is my favorite, they usually kept the stories to a nice, tight 4 parts.
Me, winding people up? How dare you sir!
As someone who "defected" to the Classic era after first becoming seriously intrested in the franchise via the revival I now wonder why I ever stayed intrested in it long enough to give the Classics a go because I can't find any redeeming qualities in it, even the first couple of series which I mostly liked to begin with.
I'm glad I did stay intrested enough at the time because I would never have discovered the awesomeness of Tom, Jon & Pat, the grumpy old git that was William Hartnell or the bland bloke in the cricket sweater but now I've got a preferred format I can't see any way in which the new one can get me intrested enough to start watching with any genuine enthusiasm again.
Maybe if as WST suggested better use was made of the 45 minute format and every single story wasn't a mad rush from one action scene to the next with about as much substance as a Chicken McNugget I could come round to it but having grown to enjoy the serial format so much the new show feels like watching something that's stuck on fast forward and often makes less sense.
Even if that happened I still question whether the current writers are good enough for the job or in existence elsewhere. Only Steven Moffat's first story, Rob Shearman's "Dalek" and the 2-parter from series 2 that introduced the Ood have been remotely close to the best work of people like Robert Holmes and the rest has been tripe.
Memnoch,
I'd actually like 2-3 part stories as the norm , maybe a 4 parter on an extra special occasion like a regeneration.
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