Doctor Who - Spoilers!

[Darren Carnall]

If that's the case then I hope the new regime fails miserably and the show once again becomes a thing of the past.

...or you could... y'know... stop watching?

If the last 4 series plus the specials has proved anything 45 minutes never allows for anything but style over substance and I've had all I can stomach of that approach.

you mean.... you're actually leaving?

It's interesting that the die hard fans of the older episodes take a stance that if it isn't done like the old show, they'd rather it be dead and buried again.

The worst kind of fan-boy... whatever program/film they're fans of.

 

[Memnoch]

In other news, apparently Waters of Mars was BBC Americas best showing ever with over 1.1 million viewers and placed it 13th overall among ad supported cable.

https://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/2009/12/22/doctor-who-the-waters-of-mars-sets-bbc-america-ratings-record/

 

[Darth Caedus]

Well, you can argue that someone has died durng the RTD reign. Donna did lose all her memory of her time with the doctor. That changed her, into a whole new person and that person was killed when her memory was whiped. Like Wilf said, she was a better person with the Doctor and that person did die.......

....well, she was dead until she started to remember

 

[bcm77]

Well, you can argue that someone has died durng the RTD reign. Donna did lose all her memory of her time with the doctor. That changed her, into a whole new person and that person was killed when her memory was whiped. Like Wilf said, she was a better person with the Doctor and that person did die.......

....well, she was dead until she started to remember

Yeah but like I somewhat colorfully suggested earlier it's not dying as in an actual physical death, there has to be something to sugar coat it for the younger viewers which considering the amount of death that they inevitably get exposed to during a news broadcast or from using the internet is a bit lame.

In the 80's kids had to deal with Adric colliding with Earth and being responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs which must've caused a few tears. Kids love dinosaurs after all

 

[ProgMatinee]

haven't had a chance to read recent postings, but just watched the latest episode. first 45 minutes...BLAH, last 10 minutes GREAT.

Also, I need to bring up the obsession with interacial relationships again because its like a recurring bad joke in almost every episode.

Personally in real life I don't have an issue at all with this, but I cringe at how blatant, obvious and pompous RTD is which his social agendas. Its so tedious to watch.

 

[barbelith]

In the 80's kids had to deal with Adric colliding with Earth and being responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs which must've caused a few tears.

Maybe when the new series reaches it's nineteenth season you'll have a point. But if the old series waited that long before killing off anyone important, surely you can wait that long before moaning.

 

[bcm77]

Personally in real life I don't have an issue at all with this, but I cringe at how blatant, obvious and pompous RTD is which his social agendas. Its so tedious to watch.

Careful Prog, you'll have the Nu-Who Mafia on your case as no criticism is allowed, or at least it doesn't seem to be.

Being a TV producer RTD is better placed than most to push his views on people but he's really no different to those that go on protest marches for similar "causes".

Whatever the minority group I think the people involved are more likely to be fully accepted by mainstream society if they got the chip off their shoulders and quit all the "look at us!" BS and just got on with their lives as most people are too busy with their own to think twice about what others are doing.

 

[Darren Carnall]

Whatever the minority group I think the people involved are more likely to be fully accepted by mainstream society if they got the chip off their shoulders and quit all the "look at us!" BS and just got on with their lives as most people are too busy with their own to think twice about what others are doing.

but... how can they do that if the simple act of their appearance on a tv program causes cries of "Agenda!!!" and "Blatant!!"

I'm not surprised (as a gay man) that he writes gay characters into his stories, when to him it's normal... but to some other people their very existence is disgusting and they shouldn't be allowed on tv. Nobody cries about the 'blatant' or 'agenda pushing' straight people... so why complain when a gay couple show up?

 

[ProgMatinee]

its not that I have a problem with certain issues on a show. its their over apperance on a show that I cringe at.

Especially when I personally feel its a non issue anymore. This isn't the 60s. We already had "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" and any other media influence doesn't need to do happen. I think the world has accepted it. Now what RTD is doing is overindulging himself. By the frequency of his interracial relationships I guess his agenda is not only to tell us its ok but is now extending to the point where he is showing his preference for it. Of the 10 or so major couplings the producers have casted on the show the last 5 years I think at least 6 or 7 of them involve 2 races. You can't help realizing that they're consciously doing it. I don't need to be pandered with ideals. I already know a persons race is not who they are or what they are or something to judge them on or anything like that. But to say "in my fictional world EVERYBODY MUST date outside their race" is absurd.

 

[pixletwin]

I always assumed that Donna, as a character, was into black guys.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I always assumed that Donna, as a character, was into black guys.

nothing wrong with that from a character perspective until you consider that pretty much every character in nu-who universe is dating a different race. i'm waiting for Wilf to meet an elderly black woman.

 

[Memnoch]

I really don't care as I've never been bothered by it. So what if most of the relationships are IR or that there are gay characters? Does it stop your enjoyment of the show that much?

 

[barbelith]

I think the world has accepted it.

Your obsession on this point suggests you haven't accepted it, actually.

And in fact let's review. Out of all the major characters on the show, only three have interracial relationships. Add the spinoffs and we get four characters across three shows, only one of which winds up in a permanent one.

This criticism doesn't really hold water, and exists as an uncomfortable cousin of the homophobic bigotry that's bizarrely sprung up among a fandom that should know better. If it's not an issue, it's not an issue.

 

[pixletwin]

Seeing as my wife is asian and among my relatives and friends I have figured out over 60% of the people I know are in interracial relationships.

I guess that's why it never stuck out to me as odd.

 

[barbelith]

nothing wrong with that from a character perspective until you consider that pretty much every character in nu-who universe is dating a different race.

Case in point. Three characters from a cast of hundreds becomes "pretty much every character." This is the same hyperbolic logic that has BCM complaining RTD won't kill off companions even though Barry Letts and Philip Hinchcliffe wouldn't, either.

 

[Memnoch]

I guess that's why it never stuck out to me as odd.

Never struck me odd because of how I was raised and my own past history. Also, I personally think its great RTD has so many non-hetero characters because on American television that's something you dont see much and when you do, it's usually a stereotype.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Your obsession on this point suggests you haven't accepted it, actually.
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you would be wrong but thanks for looking out for the special classes on the toy forum jessie jackson.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Seeing as my wife is asian and among my relatives and friends I have figured out over 60% of the people I know are in interracial relationships.

I guess that's why it never stuck out to me as odd.

really? I work for the government which employs a lot of people from different races, more than typical businesses do, and of all the hispanic, black and asians that I work with, which is over 50% of my coworkers, none of them are married to someone of a different race. Of the white people I work with only 1 is married to a different race.

I have dated a couple hispanic girls before and some of my friends have dated outside their race, but none of eventually married outside our respective races.

Not as common around me. Certainly not 60%.

I would wager in Britain its quite a bit less, but maybe they still have hangups where as I think most of America has moved on.

 

[bcm77]

I would wager in Britain its quite a bit less, but maybe they still have hangups where as I think most of America has moved on.

As we seem to accumulate most of Europe's immigrants whether legal or otherwise the country is becoming more multicultural all the time but there are still areas where things have not progressed at all.

 

[Kabukiman]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't notice the interracial stuff. That said, it never bothered me, not even in the least. I actually laughed when I saw Donna's new boyfriend - not because I disapproved, but because it's such a recurring theme on the show. Kind of like House and lupus. I never thought an agenda was being pushed on me. It might be scandalous in Britain, I don't know, but in America, we're the mutha F'N melting pot. Interracial relationships don't faze me, or most Americans, I'd wager.

I almost forgot: TOMORROW!!!!