Does anyone like the PT but NOT the SE's?

[Khev]

Now that I've had time to resaturate myself with the OOT on DVD I find that I prefer every single movie to its SE counterpart. I still like some elements of the SE's but overall prefer the originals.

But here's the thing, I'm not a OT RULZ, PT AND CG BAD!1! kind of guy either. I love seeing the PT and its alternate style of telling a SW story. The "alternate style" approach is also a big part of what I think makes the CW cartoon and upcoming animated series so interesting.

I just don't want all styles piecemealed together in every episode. Did Lucas ad several scenes of Tartofsky animation to ROTS so that it "blended" more fluidly with the cartoons? Of course not. It'd be silly to incorporate such divergent styles in each movie, or trilogy.

You can still watch animated Clone Wars, then ROTS, then original theatrical ANH (or SW) in order and follow the story. And when you update the DS battle in ANH, suddenly much of ROTJ's coolness is diminished. Sure it had ewoks and some dodgy tying up of loose ends, but it BY FAR had the coolest space fight scenes in the saga. It felt less like Lucas was "rehashing" the DS battle and was instead turning up the dial to 11 and giving it to us in a whole new way that made it feel like a completely different animal. Doesn't going back to ANH and improving *its* DS battle then make ROTJ doubly redundant? Kind of.

The SE's are highly cool novelties, but I find I enjoy (and *respect*) the SW saga more when I can appreciate each movie as it was originally released, especially since each individual OT movie is still a *better film* than its SE counterpart, even by today's standards.

So I guess for me, OOT + PT = SW. Anyone else feel the same?

 

[pixletwin]

For me it is PT + SEOT = SW

*by the way, the proper usage of the oringal unaltered trilogy release is "OUT" not "OOT"

 

[galactiboy]

I agree about the OOT vs SEOT. I really don't care for the changes and many of them (I feel) cheapen the films and add unecessary elements. SE are good for a novelty (and it was fun seeing them in the theater) but I will always prefer the original, and according to Lucas, inferior films

 

[Khev]

*by the way, the proper usage of the oringal unaltered trilogy release is "OUT" not "OOT"

Oops I must be out of the loop then. I thought it was still OOT for "original original trilogy."

 

[Darth Waller]

I agree about the OOT vs SEOT. I really don't care for the changes and many of them (I feel) cheapen the films and add unecessary elements. SE are good for a novelty (and it was fun seeing them in the theater) but I will always prefer the original, and according to Lucas, inferior films

I couldn't have said it better. It seemed like most of the additions jumped out and beat you over the head to show you they were there, and the movies just didn't need that.

 

[Khev]

I love the brown haze that adds to the atmosphere of the cantina, Dagobah, and Jabba's palace in the OOT (sorry pixeltwin ). It was a shame that it was lost when they "cleaned up" the negatives.

And the original Max Rebo band sequence and Sarlacc Pit have so much more character that just screams Star Wars.

 

[pixletwin]

SEOT>OUT > OOT

 

[The Josh]

For me it is PT + SEOT = SW

*by the way, the proper usage of the oringal unaltered trilogy release is "OUT" not "OOT"

That's how I roll.

 

[JustinLuck]

I loved the original Sarlacc pit. The large gaping hole with downward sloping teeth left a lot to the imagination. You never quite knew what happened down there. When they added the CG Tremors knockoff, it just lost its appeal.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm an OUT (Original Unaltered Trilogy) guy myself. But the problem is, when compared to the PT there is even more of a dichotomy between the two trilogies.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

The thing that kills me about the SE's is the pointless changes.

Did we really need to see Vader boarding his star destroyer in ESB? Was it really necessary to change the noise Ben makes to scare off the Sandpeople? Greedo shooting first, crappy CGI Jabba in ANH, Jedi Rocks... the list goes on and on.

The cloud city stuff (minus the pointless Vader/star destroyer scene) is a perfect example of what the SE's should've been.

 

[VOTR_Ed]

If anyone here has checked out my Podcast, you know my answer ad nauseum.
I feel that the Special Editions were a cool exercise, but there weren't many real improvements except for the thing that grabs Boba Fett and erasing the smears under the Landspeeder. Oh, and killing the see-through Snowspeeder windshield.

However, the rest was just flashy crap, IMO. It added nothing to the story, and sometimes slowed it down. The Jabba scene with Han was awful and redundant, the slapstick robots in AMH were childish, etc, etc. The original Rebo band belongs in a backwater gangster's crummy palace, but some muppet show blue revue. Jabba, please.

for the prequels, in terms of movies, they're not that good. We like them because they're Star Wars, and we get to see ships, Jedi, Sith all that. there's too many holes and things that don't line up with the OT. So now we fans have to fill in the blanks with fan fiction and justification of these inconsistencies to our friends and ourselves. Thanks, George.

Lastly, if one was going to go back and improve these "imperfect," but beloved movies from so long ago, why didn't GL use CG for good and give us GC Jabba for Jedi and CG Yoda for both of his OT movies? If you're gonna tinker, go all the way or leave it alone.

Love the OT, like the PT. Love the books, though. THOSE are solid stories.

 

[Darth Madden]

I like the PT (except for Menace which is a total piece of trash) and I hate the SE. While there were a couple good changes the bad ones far outweigh those.

 

[IrishJedi]

"Jedi Rocks" was the perfect precursor to TPM and the prequels. In many ways, it was like Lucas fired a warning shot across the bows of our childhood.

 

[MaulFan]

All in all, I like most of what was done in the SE Trilogy.

I know some will argue that not seeing the Wampa adds suspense and makes the scene better, but for me, it's a cool design they came up with for the SE (it is a bit different from what little they did back in the 80s) and that's what Star Wars is about for me, the visuals, if I want suspense and such I'll watch ALIEN, but with Star Wars, I want to see the creatures. However, one creature I felt shouldn't have been touched is the Sarlaac, the worm head really doesn't add anything for me, I thought it was a fantastic creature as it was and not having a giant head that comes out makes it more plausible that it be sitting out in the dessert sneaking up on prey. I love the added battle shots in ANH, only I almost wish they redid all of the exterior shots over so it'd all look alike, the crispness of modern CGI stands out against the image quality of '77. I also find a few points where dialogue was changed and shouldn't have been, like Vader calling for his ship in ESB should have stayed "Bring me my shuttle." The best addition in the SEs for me is McDiarmid in ESB, he just IS Palpatine and now that the character's really been defined by him with 3 other films, the original guy just didn't fit in anymore. I used to be against the change in the final ROTJ music because as a kid, the Yub Yub Ewok song was cute and fun. As I've become an adult and more appreciative of classical music, I find Williams' new cut to be another masterpiece of his in the saga and gladly welcome it, I even think it puts more emotional power behind the Jedi Spirits moment than the Yub Yub did and that's what it's really about now, the redemption of Skywalker, not the defeat of the Empire.

 

[galactiboy]

The cloud city stuff (minus the pointless Vader/star destroyer scene) is a perfect example of what the SE's should've been.

I agree, what I was expecting were a few added scenes (for fun) and cleaned-up/new special effects. Basically remaking elements of the movie with contemporary effects. Kind of a fun idea... but instead we got inferior versions of the movies that we all knew and love, but the effects were better.

Kind of like any remake we see nowadays

 

[galactiboy]

"Jedi Rocks" was the perfect precursor to TPM and the prequels. In many ways, it was like Lucas fired a warning shot across the bows of our childhood.

F'n A, thats the truth

 

[pixletwin]

Lapti Nek definitely needs to be restored to ROTJ. Jedi Rocks is one of my only complaints about the SEOT (the other is Han stepping on Jabba's tail).

 

[IrishJedi]

I used to be against the change in the final ROTJ music because as a kid, the Yub Yub Ewok song was cute and fun. As I've become an adult and more appreciative of classical music, I find Williams' new cut to be another masterpiece of his in the saga and gladly welcome it, I even think it puts more emotional power behind the Jedi Spirits moment than the Yub Yub did and that's what it's really about now, the redemption of Skywalker, not the defeat of the Empire.

I thought Lucas should have had Williams re-use the new ROTJ Celebration music in the PT as the Republic Theme or something. It would have made it even more powerful and meaningful at the end of ROTJ. :sigh: Another missed opportunity...

 

[MaulFan]

Lapti Nek definitely needs to be restored to ROTJ. Jedi Rocks is one of my only complaints about the SEOT (the other is Han stepping on Jabba's tail).

I agree, Lapti Nek feels more Jabba's Palace than Jedi Rocks, it was more downtrodden and darker like the menagerie of creatures in that joint.

As far as the tail thing, it is whacky, but the only real option is that or remove the whole scene, or some how have Jabba turn with Solo so he's always facing him, but I think that requires more agility than Hutt's got.

What really needs to be done is throw the Phantom Menace Jabba model into ANH, it looks close, but the colors are way off and the dimension to the face is flatter like the first ANH CG Jabba, TPM was a perfect CGI Jabba in color and dimension and really felt like a younger version of what would become ROTJ Jabba, and so help me if Lucas ever CG's ROTJ Jabba and makes him look like the others I will drop him off a cliff onto a pointy pile of rocks.