Dune (2020) by Dennis Villeneuve

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Chani and her Oscar-nominated glare, Blue Steal...


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It must have been tough for her to act when all her scenes were visions with no dialogue and little to no context. According to the director, they just improvised and shot a bunch of footage of her in the desert for him to use through out the film. What does one do in that situation besides walk around squinting? Maybe look at the camera, strike a pose and vogue?

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Who should play Feyd in Part II? I don't think he'll have the spiky hair unfortunately. :(

Book description

Sixteen-year-old Feyd, the younger nephew and heir of Baron Harkonnen, is described as dark-haired, and is lean and muscular in contrast to his morbidly obese uncle. The Baron also notes that the "full and pouting look" of Feyd's lips is "the Harkonnen genetic marker"

Tom Hardy has the lips.

Also, Sting was not a convincing 16 year old. :LOL:
 
Who should play Feyd in Part II? I don't think he'll have the spiky hair unfortunately. :(

Book description

Sixteen-year-old Feyd, the younger nephew and heir of Baron Harkonnen, is described as dark-haired, and is lean and muscular in contrast to his morbidly obese uncle. The Baron also notes that the "full and pouting look" of Feyd's lips is "the Harkonnen genetic marker"

He had Michael Keaton lips, apparently.

Also, Sting was not a convincing 16 year old. :LOL:
Screw the book!

Mel Gibson lol

Mel should’ve been the Baron :gah:
 
Okay after a second viewing there's still pluses and minuses but I was much more satisfied with the ending this time.

One of the things about Paul in the book that isn't super spelled out in either film is that he has visions of multiple versions of the future (always in motion is the future) and it's up to him to navigate each moment to get to the outcomes that he wants. Some of the visions he sees are triumphant, some tragic, some horrible, etc. And in this movie they really did play up the buildup to his duel with Jamis with the constant visions of the knife. But when he finally got the knife it wasn't laying in the sand like he pictured it but instead was handed to him by Chani.

It wasn't until the last few seconds of the movie after Paul defeated Jamis while showing him mercy and compassion (asking him to yield, holding his hand as he died) that they walked along the ridge and Chani turned her head and looked at him in a way that finally matched one of his visions exactly as he saw it, indicating that he has grabbed hold of one of the future threads and is deliberately moving towards it. I liked that.

I am surprised that the book played up Yueh's betrayal so much and made such a huge deal about both Thufir Hawat and Gurney Hallack believing wholeheartedly that Jessica was the traitor only for this version to spend even less time on that subplot than Lynch did.

They did give Duncan some really cool moments. I loved how after he killed the first couple Harkonnens on the landing pad that the others were all "hey man the thopter's yours," lol.

I wonder what people who didn't read the book thought of the constant bull and bullfighting imagery.

Once again the Baron, man I just don't think I care for him in this version. He's just so plain and emotionless and I don't really care for his look. Not a very compelling villain IMO which is definitely a bummer. Hopefully that changes in Part 2.

The visuals and music are absolutely top-notch from beginning to end though and the cast is for the most part exceptional across the board. Still too soon for me to say where I think this fits among my other genre favorites. There's just so much to take in.

Clown Prince I believe you mentioned that Paul looked bored in that one vision of him flipping around and leading the Fremen into battle with his fancy armor on. I see what you mean but that's actually a version of himself that he *doesn't* want to become, someone who has snapped and is emotionally dead inside (I won't spoil why) and is in full Terminator mode, hellbent on ridding the universe of all who stand against him. Hence the massive pile of burning corpses and him and Chani departing on the ship, both of them looking quite lifeless, eager to wage war with their massive and unbeatable army across the cosmos. I have to believe it's a big part of what inspired Anakin's PT/CW journey, especially in TCW where there are occasional moments where Anakin or another Jedi has a vision of what he will one day become.
 
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Who should play Feyd in Part II? I don't think he'll have the spiky hair unfortunately. :(

Book description

Sixteen-year-old Feyd, the younger nephew and heir of Baron Harkonnen, is described as dark-haired, and is lean and muscular in contrast to his morbidly obese uncle. The Baron also notes that the "full and pouting look" of Feyd's lips is "the Harkonnen genetic marker"

Tom Hardy has the lips.

Also, Sting was not a convincing 16 year old. :LOL:
Sting was awesome but yeah the book kind of made Feyd out to be a dark haired "Anti-Paul." I don't want Villeneuve to make him yet another bland pasty bald guy but I'm not holding my breath at this point. Please God don't let it be that ******* SNL punk who got his face shot off in Suicide Squad, lol.

Actually since WB isn't above mining the DCEU for actors with Momoa then Pattinson might not be a bad choice for Feyd.
 
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Who should play Feyd in Part II? I don't think he'll have the spiky hair unfortunately. :(

Book description

Sixteen-year-old Feyd, the younger nephew and heir of Baron Harkonnen, is described as dark-haired, and is lean and muscular in contrast to his morbidly obese uncle. The Baron also notes that the "full and pouting look" of Feyd's lips is "the Harkonnen genetic marker"

Tom Hardy has the lips.

Also, Sting was not a convincing 16 year old. :LOL:
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Okay after a second viewing there's still pluses and minuses but I was much more satisfied with the ending this time.

One of the things about Paul in the book that isn't super spelled out in either film is that he has visions of multiple versions of the future (always in motion is the future) and it's up to him to navigate each moment to get to the outcomes that he wants. Some of the visions he sees are triumphant, some tragic, some horrible, etc. And in this movie they really did play up the buildup to his duel with Jamis with the constant visions of the knife. But when he finally got the knife it wasn't laying in the sand like he pictured it but instead was handed to him by Chani.

It wasn't until the last few seconds of the movie after Paul defeated Jamis while showing him mercy and compassion (asking him to yield, holding his hand as he died) that they walked along the ridge and Chani turned her head and looked at him that finally one of his visions came to be exactly as he saw it, indicating that he has grabbed hold of one of the future threads and is deliberately moving towards it. I liked that.

I am surprised that the book played up Yueh's betrayal so much and made such a huge deal about both Thufir Hawat and Gurney Hallack believing wholeheartedly that Jessica was the traitor that this version spent even less time on that whole subplot than Lynch did.

They did give Duncan some really cool moments. I loved how after he killed the first couple Harkonnens on the landing pad that the others were all "hey man the thopter's yours," lol.

I wonder what people who didn't read the book thought of the constant bull and bullfighting imagery.

Once again the Baron, man I just don't think I care for him in this version. He's just so plain and emotionless and I don't really care for his look. Not a very compelling villain IMO.

The visuals and music are absolutely top-notch from beginning to end though and the cast is for the most part exceptional across the board. Still too soon for me to say where I think this fits among my other genre favorites. There's just so much to take in.

Clown Prince I believe you mentioned that Paul looked bored in that one vision of him flipping around and leading the Fremen into battle with his fancy armor on. I see what you mean but that's actually a version of himself that he *doesn't* want to become, someone who has snapped and is emotionally dead inside (I won't spoil why) and is in full Terminator mode, hellbent on ridding the universe of all who stand against him. Hence the massive pile of burning corpses and him and Chani departing on the ship, both of them looking quite lifeless, eager to wage war across the cosmos. I have to believe it's a big part of what inspired Anakin's PT/CW journey, especially in TCW where there are occasional moments where Anakin or another Jedi has a vision of what he will one day become.

This post makes me want to give the film a 9/10 instead of the 8 I gave it. :lol That's good stuff.

I need to see it again.
 
What does the bull fighting imagery means? I noticed they kept showing it. Is it facing danger for the first time in Paul's life or something? I think they mentioned in the film that Paul's grandfather died bull fighting. Paul had never killed anyone or had to fight for his life. In the end he does and in the final fight he acted almost like a bull fighter that didn't want to kill the bull, or in this case, the angry guy that was very animalistic in behavior. Am I close?
 
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Once again the Baron, man I just don't think I care for him in this version. He's just so plain and emotionless and I don't really care for his look. Not a very compelling villain IMO which is definitely a bummer. Hopefully that changes in Part 2.

I'd prefer if he wasn't the homosexual *********.
 
What does the bull fighting imagery means? I noticed they kept showing it. Is it facing danger for the first time in Paul's life or something? I think they mentioned in the film that Paul's grandfather died bull fighting. Paul had never killed anyone of had to fight for his life. In the end he does and in the final fight he acted almost like a bull fighter that didn't want to kill the bull, or in this case, the angry guy that was very animalistic in behavior. Am I close?
The bull fighting symbolism didn't come up as often in the book as it did in the film which is why I assume that people who haven't read the book might assume that it was bigger than it was, lol. In the book Duke Leto kept both a painting of his father (shown briefly in the movie) and the preserved head of the actual bull that killed him displayed at opposite ends of his dining hall as a constant reminder to never let your guard down with regard to potential assassination attempts and other dangers. Paul's grandfather fought bulls as a hobby but the implication was that he was killed by a bull after thinking he'd worn it out and turned his back on it to embrace the cheers of the crowd. So the painting and the head were constant reminders to never do any version of that.

At another point in the book those two objects speak to self awareness with regard to being able to determine whether you're the bull or the matador when going against another person. I think the movie did run with that in the Paul/Jamis duel like you mentioned with Jamis thinking he was the matador until realizing too late that it was the other way around.
 
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