Dune 2020

[Sassafras]

I like the stillsuits! Very nice throw-back to the 1984 Dune but also modernizing a little bit. They look perfect.

So House Atreides' colors are actually black and green with a red hawk...so I'm forgiving for the black armor. It's hard to see in the House Atreides uniformed cast photo but it looks like there's some hints of green there. The hawk is clearly white and there's parts of the banner in the back that look like they could be green and black.

Still no mention of Feyd-Rautha...I'm getting the feeling that Villeneuve is blending that character into Bautista's Glossu Rabban and we'll see Rabban take on Paul at the end rather than what happens to him originally. Or maybe Feyd won't appear until "Dune 2020 Part 2"?

Eager to see more!

No they don't. They suck this all sux. Because, have a thing for a desert vibe, and had finally wrestled the budget down to Mandalorian, and now looks like another whole collection of 1/6 dollar-suckers. Not to mention casting Brolin who just has PRESENCE. $$$$$$ *&&^%

Like the '84 cast tho. They could toss off those heavy lines like "They tried and failed? They tried and died" and it completely works. But do like the director flat out saying this is a two-movie treatment because of the material. It's about time to respect the writing and world building vs. ramming in characters and concepts just to try to put butts in seats, and keep to a quick theater turnover (because theater owners can sell more snacks that way).

 

[ZE_501]

Yeah, hoping this gets a LOTR style treatment for storytelling. Take the time.

 

[Bardoon]

No they don't. They suck this all sux. Because, have a thing for a desert vibe, and had finally wrestled the budget down to Mandalorian, and now looks like another whole collection of 1/6 dollar-suckers. Not to mention casting Brolin who just has PRESENCE. $$$$$$ *&&^%

Like the '84 cast tho. They could toss off those heavy lines like "They tried and failed? They tried and died" and it completely works. But do like the director flat out saying this is a two-movie treatment because of the material. It's about time to respect the writing and world building vs. ramming in characters and concepts just to try to put butts in seats, and keep to a quick theater turnover (because theater owners can sell more snacks that way).

You sound like you've been quarantined for too long.

 

[Rotfish]

casting is more miss than hit

Highly debatable.

"Greta as a Jedi with a Hogwarts Degree"? What kind of Metropolitan **** wrote that? I'll stick with the books and the Lynch version, thanks.

So you're letting that cringey line (likely written by someone who won't understand the movie when it arrives) deter you from seeing it? That kind of drivel shouldn't even be a minor factor in your perception of this thing.

 

[Sassafras]

You sound like you've been quarantined for too long.

Yep - the reek of bleach and alcohol, goin' outside lookin' like a basement dweller terrorist in sandals and bandana channeling fat Thor; didn't even get a chocolate bunny, everything's gone to *&^%

*Grins*. Srsly tho might be getting punchy but like someone else posted, if we get through this with family and friends OK it's a win.

 

[Bardoon]

if we get through this with family and friends OK it's a win.

Agreed!

 

[Victοr]

Highly debatable.

I dislike Zendaya. She was annoying back in that show with Bella Thorne, and she made me hate her with those Spider-Twink flicks. Oh, wait, she plays a drugged zoomer in that overrated piece of crap "Euphoria"... She's not what I picture when I think of Chani. Even if we assume the people who spend their whole time underground would be Arabs instead of tanned whites ("leathery skin" and all), why did they cast no MENAs, if "diversity" is so important? Why's some mixed American girl and some black whatever woman getting roles from MENAs? Were I a MENA, I'd be pissed, I have to say. There's no actual MENA actor there at all, come to think of it... I mean, we rarely get any MENA actors in any major productions. I can't remember the last time a racebent went to a Latino or MENA actor/actress. It's always American Blacks. This was a chance to rectify that. Boy, this doesn't feel fair to me!

Apart from those, the cast is mainly good, sure. You've got Skarsgard, Chalamet, Brolin, Isaac, Ferguson and Bardem. The question is how much they fit their roles, which remains to be seen. I fear miscasts, not lack of talent.

So you're letting that cringey line (likely written by someone who won't understand the movie when it arrives)

No, it's everything I've seen from the pics and the all the cringy comments that come out. The whole thing looks like a Netflix production, not as a High-Budger Epic. It's as if someone watched Kino Cruise's Oblivion, sucked out all the soul from it, and then served it to the audience. This doesn't feel like a Space Monarchy, it feels like Discount BUFP. I pictured Renaissance Italy, not "generic space military". It just doesn't look all that interesting to me.

deter you from seeing it?

I'll not be going to the cinema (haven't done so for about 5 years), but I'll probably watch it on my PC when I have to time to kill. I'm just not hyped for it.

That kind of drivel shouldn't even be a minor factor in your perception of this thing.

It does, when everything is about "muh diversity". In Dune of all things. I'm tired of it, simple as, and I don't care about consoooooming more media just because they're things based on things I like or things I should like because I like other things. It's just another Sci-Fi flick, it's not like I'll be missing anything important.

Look, maybe 3 years later I'll be going on about how excited I am to get a DX HT Paul dolly, but as it stands, it's dissapointing to me. But hey, I haven't finished the books yet so what do I know. I merely think that the Lynch version at least had an identity.

I'll take "Napoleonic Space" over "[current year] Space".

 

[matticus]

Brolin will be the best part of this boring two parter. The original Dune was hard to get through...just like Blade Runner 2049.

 

[Sachiel]

Does it *matter* if they change Kynes? Not to me. Has a neutral effect on the narrative. I don't think it's 'intriguing' at all.

Spoiler

Although considering Kynes' ultimate fate I'm *almost* surprised.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019...to-be-altered-in-denis-villeneuves-dune-film/

 

[spindrift]

New article with more pics. I want figures of Oscar Isaac and Josh Brolin in that armor yesterday.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...brand=vf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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Wow these look awful- like armored Batman meets TOS Galactica Cylons?..

 

[ZE_501]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019...to-be-altered-in-denis-villeneuves-dune-film/

My first reaction was "Oh no" -- but upon reflection, it may be the more cinematic choice?

Wow these look awful- like armored Batman meets TOS Galactica Cylons?..

I don't mind the still-suits at all, but I'm *really not* a fan of that armour. Generic NPC costume.

 

[Rotfish]

Armor may be simple and polygonal, but it also matches the brutalist aesthetic Denis is going for. Seeing as how the director and cinematographer were not present for this photoshoot, I'm not worried. Some of the designs themselves may not be groundbreaking, but I'm confident they'll work in Denis' take on the world. What's more, they're sure to be lit and shot well.

Take that infamous promotional shoot for Terminator Genisys from a few years back. Movie wasn't great, but it certainly looked better than the magazine shoot let on.

 

[Otomofan]

PS: I don't see the problem with some media having no women in them. It's often a good sign...

Word.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Armor may be simple and polygonal, but it also matches the brutalist aesthetic Denis is going for. Seeing as how the director and cinematographer were not present for this photoshoot, I'm not worried. Some of the designs themselves may not be groundbreaking, but I'm confident they'll work in Denis' take on the world. What's more, they're sure to be lit and shot well.

Take that infamous promotional shoot for Terminator Genisys from a few years back. Movie wasn't great, but it certainly looked better than the magazine shoot let on.

 

[Victοr]

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Exactly. Lots of great movies fit that trope. Master & Commander, Das Boot, Lawrence Of Arabia, and The Grey, from the top of my head. And I don't see the problem. Not everything needs to tick off every box in the race/sex/gender/whatever categories.

 

[Bardoon]

I don't expect they wear that armor that much in the film. Probably when they arrive to Arrakis.

I do hope we see some design and more color for the different Houses. While House Atreides is looking a little glum, it'd be great to see the Harkonnens or Corrinos contrast it with more color. Especially House Corrino since the Emperor is from there.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Exactly. Lots of great movies fit that trope. Master & Commander, Das Boot, Lawrence Of Arabia, and The Grey, from the top of my head. And I don't see the problem. Not everything needs to tick off every box in the race/sex/gender/whatever categories.

Every prison movie ever. Nothing but sausages...the way it should be, damn it!!!

 

[ZE_501]

If it fits the story's time period, genre and general context, no need to shoehorn female characters into it, sure.

But Foundation is a great example. It's set in humanity's intergalactic far future. The fact that it has no female characters (at least not for 123 pages so far) is a glaring pointer to how dated the story is. Were it to receive a film adaptation (not that it's really a good candidate for that as-is) of course it should have female characters.

But I don't expect them in prominent roles in things like prison flicks, Glengarry GlenRoss, Master & Commander etc., and nor do most women last time I checked.

 

[Victοr]

Every prison movie ever. Nothing but sausages...the way it should be, damn it!!!

Don't Prison Movies sometimes have some "muh familia" plot going on ? There's bound to be a w*man there, or even a d*ughter ! Maybe those Scott Adkins ones don't have any. Also, what kind of man doesn't like a big, full, textured, meaty sausage bristling with meat-juices, so wide and thick that he can barely wrap his lips and mouth around it ?

If it fits the story's time period, genre and general context, no need to shoehorn female characters into it, sure.

Tell that to BBC and their "literally black as charcoal" Achilles...

But Foundation is a great example. It's set in humanity's intergalactic far future. The fact that it has no female characters (at least not for 123 pages so far) is a glaring pointer to how dated the story is. Were it to receive a film adaptation (not that it's really a good candidate for that as-is) of course it should have female characters.

Eh, I don't care at this point, it's all nonsense fiction. Not like it's ever gonna come with the current trajectory. Let the NPCs have their silliness. I mean, we've all seen how great Star Wars and Star Trek and Mass Effect and everything turned out when women got heavily involved so sure, go ahead ! Bring all the brightly coloured womynfolk to really bring some soul !

The truth is that women like Amy Henning are rare.

But they're passed over because of this mentality. "We need X, Y, Z" and whatever. No, you don't "need" anything. A story is whatever a story is. But things can't be "too male centric", or "too white centric". They need that extra something that doesn't belong. I guess when I watched "Beasts Of No Nation" way back when, I should've written to Netflix to tell them to add some more non-Africans there, regardless of whether they fit or not, and regardless of the source material... Instead, we get diversity hires who then proceed to ruin everything because they're not there by merit, they're there because they must be.

Just because it's Sci-Fi doesn't mean women will magically be turned into as strong, or as smart, as or capable as men on average. Just because it's the future doesn't mean that there's going to be one multi-ethnic society operating on [current day] views and practises. If you want to write that, do so. Some virus showed up, killed most of the men and turned the women into She-Hulks. Whatever, it's your story. Nazis emerged from a bunker, killed everyone non-Aryan and now they're Space Nazis. Again, sure, sky's the limit. I just don't care about "needs"; it is what it is, period.

I won't say anymore because the thread is being derailed. The long and short of it is that I don't care about needing to cover demographics of any case. Think whatever you want of me, but that's my POV.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Don't Prison Movies sometimes have some "muh familia" plot going on ? There's bound to be a w*man there, or even a d*ughter ! Maybe those Scott Adkins ones don't have any. Also, what kind of man doesn't like a big, full, textured, meaty sausage bristling with meat-juices, so wide and thick that he can barely wrap his lips and mouth around it ?
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Probably, but I was thinking of Escape from Alcatraz , The Shawshank Redemption, Papillon, and The Great Escape. I also like Lockup, starring Stallone. He doesn't actually escape, but I like it.