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[worstgamerever]

All fair points, but lets bring up the cut scenes. MGS cut scenes are integral to the game. MGS fans don't find them a burden but instead look forward to see how the story will progress. As for Crysis on PC, it's only any good if it's on a top of the range machine. Gears of war 2 has great graphics but it still has a poor online multiplay, hence a lot people have gone back to 1 and IMO MGS4 beats it by a mile graphically, taking nothing away from gears, but Res4 looks better than that game. My main point though was data storage on a disc. Microsoft have to face facts that soon one disc is just not going to enough.

I didn't say MGS cut-scenes were a burden, do read again the point I made about the cut-scenes. I am a MGS fan, I bought my PS3 solely for that game, and I am only posting on here because your post is MGS related. I find 50 hours of cut-scenes tedious and hundreds of hours of codec voice-overs even more so. People would argue that, per gigabyte, better game narratives have been told than the MGS4 story, and in cleverer ways.. but I'm not here to make that argument

About Crysis looking good only on a high-end machine... well isn't that the point? that a game can look arguably better than anything else out there, be so highly rated, and have so much depth, and yet ship on a single DVD? who said anything about PC specs?

So, MGS4 has better online play than Gears 2? Really? and even assuming it does, what does that have to do with Blu-Ray?

And MGS4 has better graphics than Gears 2 by "a mile"; A mile? really? Is this the same MGS4 I had on PS3? Here's a verbate from IGN's GOW2 review: "You?d be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere."

Even forget what IGN or all the other Game sites had to say abow Gears 2's graphical fidelity... try playing both games side-by-side [you must have done that, right? from your conclusion] or use picture-in-picure. That MGS4 looks any better than Gears 2 at all, is so open to debate that I won't even go there... but saying there's such a wide graphical difference b/w them... well. *shrugs shoulders*

And of course gaming will not always be on DVDs, but right now 50GB Blu Ray games havn't proven their superiority over 4.7GB games on single-layer DVD. Your initial post suggest strongly that Blu-Ray led to a better gaming experience.

Anyway I rest my case, you have clearly brought in different elements [online play, relative specs of a PC machine] and subjectivity [this is the first time I've heard anyone say any game looks "a Mile" better than Gears of War 2] into this.

I saw a similar argument on this very thread yesterday and that frankly isn't something I'm interested in getting into.

 

[Chimera 1]

The more I'm thinking about the MULTIPLATFORM MG Rising the more disapointed I am getting.
Kojima had to almost use the whole of the Blu-ray disc for MGS4, now he is limited to Xbox's disc space and so I guess he is making it for Xbox and then porting it over to the PS3.
My guess is, that it will be nowhere as deep as MGS4.
A new MGS game is great, but I think we need to lower our expectations, that goes for all platforms

Take out most of the cutscenes and MGS4 would have fit on the 360.

 

[FQRizzo]

So it'll be like the previous games except with a sword instead of a gun.

This is just like Speed 2, only on a bus instead of a boat.

 

[Kabukiman]

Take out most of the cutscenes and MGS4 would have fit on the 360.

Take out most of the cutscenes and MGS4 would have fit on a NES cart.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

All fair points, but lets bring up the cut scenes. MGS cut scenes are integral to the game. MGS fans don't find them a burden but instead look forward to see how the story will progress. As for Crysis on PC, it's only any good if it's on a top of the range machine. Gears of war 2 has great graphics but it still has a poor online multiplay, hence a lot people have gone back to 1 and IMO MGS4 beats it by a mile graphically, taking nothing away from gears, but Res4 looks better than that game. My main point though was data storage on a disc. Microsoft have to face facts that soon one disc is just not going to enough.

There is games on Xbox that have more then one disc.

 

[wofford29]

Was there nothing shown on Red Dead Redemption?

 

[DinoLast]

I didn't say MGS cut-scenes were a burden, do read again the point I made about the cut-scenes. I am a MGS fan, I bought my PS3 solely for that game, and I am only posting on here because your post is MGS related. I find 50 hours of cut-scenes tedious and hundreds of hours of codec voice-overs even more so. People would argue that, per gigabyte, better game narratives have been told than the MGS4 story, and in cleverer ways.. but I'm not here to make that argument

About Crysis looking good only on a high-end machine... well isn't that the point? that a game can look arguably better than anything else out there, be so highly rated, and have so much depth, and yet ship on a single DVD? who said anything about PC specs?

So, MGS4 has better online play than Gears 2? Really? and even assuming it does, what does that have to do with Blu-Ray?

And MGS4 has better graphics than Gears 2 by "a mile"; A mile? really? Is this the same MGS4 I had on PS3? Here's a verbate from IGN's GOW2 review: "You?d be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere."

Even forget what IGN or all the other Game sites had to say abow Gears 2's graphical fidelity... try playing both games side-by-side [you must have done that, right? from your conclusion] or use picture-in-picure. That MGS4 looks any better than Gears 2 at all, is so open to debate that I won't even go there... but saying there's such a wide graphical difference b/w them... well. *shrugs shoulders*

And of course gaming will not always be on DVDs, but right now 50GB Blu Ray games havn't proven their superiority over 4.7GB games on single-layer DVD. Your initial post suggest strongly that Blu-Ray led to a better gaming experience.

Anyway I rest my case, you have clearly brought in different elements [online play, relative specs of a PC machine] and subjectivity [this is the first time I've heard anyone say any game looks "a Mile" better than Gears of War 2] into this.

I saw a similar argument on this very thread yesterday and that frankly isn't something I'm interested in getting into.

In hindsight the by a mile comment was dumb, I guess I got carried away. The truth be told MGS4 and Res4 only just edge it.
I guess we will just have to wait and see if MG rising will prove to be a landmark game like MGS4.

 

[ChaserFan]

This is just like Speed 2, only on a bus instead of a boat.

So true........good one mate!

 

[Darth Waller]

From Gamespot:
https://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211542/activision-sues-over-brutal-legend-report

Activision sues over Brutal Legend

This week's Electronic Entertainment Expo was supposed to be a sort of coming out party for Double Fine Productions' Brutal Legend. The game is set to complete its rocky road to release with an October launch, and publisher Electronic Arts has been promoting it heavily at the show. It dedicated a portion of its press conference to the game, and plastering a massive Brutal Legend banner over the front of the Los Angeles Convention Center's South Hall.

Activision is looking to crash that party, as the Associated Press reports that the Tony Hawk publisher filed suit against Double Fine in a Santa Monica court yesterday to prevent the game's release. According to the news service, Activision is claiming it still has the rights to release Brutal Legend, even though the game was among a slew of titles dropped by the publisher last year in the wake of its merger with Vivendi Games. The publisher also noted that it invested roughly $15 million in Brutal Legend, according to the report.

The lawsuit isn't entirely surprising. Activision had threatened such a move in February, according to a report in Variety. At the time, an unnamed EA source told the trade magazine, "We doubt that Activision would try to sue. That would be like a husband abandoning his family and then suing after his wife meets a better looking guy."

 

[KBA]

So it'll be like the previous games except with a sword instead of a gun.

If we go by 'Lightning Bolt Action' replacing 'Tactical Espoinage Action' it should be quite a different experience. As he was in MGS4. Facing impossible odds, and coming through due to his skill with a blade over sneaking around.

 

[Solidus]

If we go by 'Lightning Bolt Action' replacing 'Tactical Espoinage Action' it should be quite a different experience. As he was in MGS4. Facing impossible odds, and coming through due to his skill with a blade over sneaking around.

Totally agreed. Raiden was anything but subtle and stealthy in MGS 4. He perferred to use his blades to directly dispatch his enemies, as opposed to sneaking past them. It's just speculation on my part, but I suspect that "Rising" may be somewhere along the lines of Devil May Cry, and Zone of the Enders in terms of its gameplay experience.

Furthermore, the shift to "Lightning Bolt Action", shows that the series has shifted away from it's old tradition of stealth (espionage) gameplay. No more cardboard boxes?

 

[plasmid303]

From Gamespot:
https://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211542/activision-sues-over-brutal-legend-report

Activision sues over Brutal Legend

This week's Electronic Entertainment Expo was supposed to be a sort of coming out party for Double Fine Productions' Brutal Legend. The game is set to complete its rocky road to release with an October launch, and publisher Electronic Arts has been promoting it heavily at the show. It dedicated a portion of its press conference to the game, and plastering a massive Brutal Legend banner over the front of the Los Angeles Convention Center's South Hall.

Activision is looking to crash that party, as the Associated Press reports that the Tony Hawk publisher filed suit against Double Fine in a Santa Monica court yesterday to prevent the game's release. According to the news service, Activision is claiming it still has the rights to release Brutal Legend, even though the game was among a slew of titles dropped by the publisher last year in the wake of its merger with Vivendi Games. The publisher also noted that it invested roughly $15 million in Brutal Legend, according to the report.

The lawsuit isn't entirely surprising. Activision had threatened such a move in February, according to a report in Variety. At the time, an unnamed EA source told the trade magazine, "We doubt that Activision would try to sue. That would be like a husband abandoning his family and then suing after his wife meets a better looking guy."

Haha I didn't think Activision could stoop so low.

 

[KBA]

I'm just glad this is a spin off series. Peace Walker is the deal, full blown Kojima production.

 

[darthviper107]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Crysis 2, developed on the new CryEngine 3 for PC, Xbox 360, and PS3, should be a good indication of the abilities of the system.

Especially since they'll have the PC version to scale down to the consoles.

 

[Gutz]

Microsoft stole the show. PSP Go is an EPIC FAIL.

Damn, I hoped for PSP 2 with BIGGER screen and new GFX chip, maybe next time.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

I love how for that ^^^^ty looking Tony Hawk game, they had the board supposedly working, but the camera man keeps accidentally showing a person playing the game with a controller just off to the side.

TH for the FAIL.

Skate 2 is FTW!!!!

 

[darthviper107]

I love how for that ^^^^ty looking Tony Hawk game, they had the board supposedly working, but the camera man keeps accidentally showing a person playing the game with a controller just off to the side.

TH for the FAIL.

Skate 2 is FTW!!!!

That pissed me off so bad, I was like "Why are you wasting precious time on this POS?"

 

[Sniper33]

Ah thanks, I know what they are just couldnt remember the name of the species. Thanks for the answer though, was kinda bugging me trying to remember it.

They're called Centaurs. They're half man, half horse.

 

[Starkiller]

Microsoft stole the show. PSP Go is an EPIC FAIL.

Damn, I hoped for PSP 2 with BIGGER screen and new GFX chip, maybe next time.

No way, we won't see new handhelds and new systems for years yet...

 

[hairlesswookiee]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Crysis 2, developed on the new CryEngine 3 for PC, Xbox 360, and PS3, should be a good indication of the abilities of the system.

Especially since they'll have the PC version to scale down to the consoles.

yeah i've been waiting for Crysis 2 as well. i liked the first one as well as the expansion pack so hopefully my next system will be able to run it.