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show me. I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to see how this all came to be.


And the derugulation that was done that allowed this to happen is exactly what is being undone with this bailout. I really don't like the idea of government having control of commercial businesses. Goes against the free market system that had helped to make America so successful in business.

Edit: having thought about it, deregulation and less government is the conservative stance. Which is exactly why the situation we find ourselves in is EVERYONE'S fault, not just republicans, and not just liberals, which is why Congress needs to come together and cross partisan lines to reach a good and fair solution for the future of the economy.

Obama doesnt know how to do that.
 
McCain is probably the last "Republican" candidate I would have chosen to put in the election for president. But with who we have to chose from, I think I have to vote for him. I'm not happy with any candidate and it Ron Paul had any real shot of winning, he would probably have gotten my vote.
 
John MCain's idea's on Oil/Energy:

John McCain believes we should send a strong message to world markets. Under his plan, the United
States will be telling oil producing countries and oil speculators that our dependence on foreign oil will
come to an end – and the impact will be lower prices at the pump.

John McCain believes we should institute a summer gas tax holiday. Hard-working American families
are suffering from higher gasoline prices. John McCain called on Congress to suspend the 18.4 cent
federal gas tax and 24.4 cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

John McCain will repeal the 54 cents per gallon tax on imported sugar-based ethanol, increasing
competition, and lowering prices of gasoline at the pump.

John McCain will roll back corn-based ethanol mandates, which are contributing to the rising cost of
food.

John McCain's Lexington Project will address the rising costs of energy that are hurting small businesses.
He strongly supports increased domestic exploration of oil and natural gas. This will send a strong signal
to oil markets that future supplies will be more plentiful, countering the rise in oil prices. The market for
natural gas is less internationally integrated than that of oil – increased domestic production will lower the
cost of this key energy source.
The Project will transform electricity generation. John McCain has set the goal of building 45 new nuclear
power plants by 2030 – creating 700,000 jobs and providing cheap electricity. It will provide incentives for
the production of electricity from renewable sources. Finally, the Lexington Project will devote $2 billion
annually to research that will allow the clean use of our most plentiful and low-cost energy source: coal.

John McCain will commit our country to expanding domestic oil and natural gas exploration. The current
federal moratorium on drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf stands in the way of energy exploration and
production. John McCain believes it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and work
with states to put our own reserves to use. There is no easier or more direct way to prove to the world that
we will no longer be subject to the whims of others than to expand our production capabilities.
We have trillions of dollars worth of oil and gas reserves in the U.S. at a time we are exporting hundreds
of billions of dollars a year overseas to buy energy. This is the largest transfer of wealth in the history of
mankind. We should keep more of our dollars here in the U.S., lessen our foreign dependency, increase
our domestic supplies, and reduce our trade deficit – 41 percent of which is due to oil imports. John
McCain proposes to cooperate with the states and the Department of Defense in the decisions to develop
these resources.

John McCain believes we must understand the role speculation is playing in our soaring energy prices.
Congress already has investigations underway to examine this kind of wagering in our energy markets,
unrelated to any kind of productive commerce, because it can distort the market, drive prices beyond
rational limits, and put the investments and pensions of millions of Americans at risk. John McCain
believes that where we find abuses, they need to be swiftly punished. To make sure it never happens
again, we must reform the laws and regulations governing the oil futures market, so that they are just as
clear and effective as the rules applied to stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments.

Edit: I think BUSH was in bed with BIG OIL and did NOTHING to reduce our depence on foreign oil. and Corn Based Ethonal is a pipe dream, an inefficient one at that, that has caused an increase to food costs domestically and internationally. We need corn for food, not an inefficient fuel. That's wshy I'm glad to see McCain is going to undo the MANY bad decisions made by Bush.

Sugar based ethanol is where it's at, unfortunately doesn't look doable in the US. So we have to find other solutions, which McCain is willing to fund, and even offering a $300,000 prize to anyone that can produce an equivalent hybrid car brid at 30% of the cost. If I was in Engineering college now, I'd make this my senior project.
 
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McCain's ideas on government spending

Comprehensive Spending Controls: John McCain will institute broad reforms to control spending:
• The McCain administration would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan
operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit. Since all their costs were
financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction.
• A one-year spending pause. Freeze non-defense, non-veterans discretionary spending for a year and
use those savings for deficit reduction. A one-year pause in the growth of discretionary spending will
be imposed to allow for a comprehensive review of all spending programs. After the completion of a
comprehensive review of all programs, projects and activities of the federal government, we will
propose a plan to modernize, streamline, consolidate, reprioritize and, where needed, terminate
individual programs.
• Take back earmark funds. The McCain Administration will reclaim billions of add-on spending from
earmarks and add-ons in FY 2007 and 2008.

• With the same bipartisan effort today, with the federal budget that is now 70 percent larger, we could
keep taxes low and still balance the budget by holding overall spending growth to 2.4 percent. Unlike
Congress and the Executive branch in recent years, a McCain Administration will enforce the
spending restraint to balance the budget and keep it balanced.

See? Even McCain doesn't approve Bush's performance.

• A McCain Administration would perform a comprehensive review of all programs, projects and
activities of the federal government, and then propose a plan to modernize, streamline, consolidate,
reprioritize and, where needed, terminate individual programs. McCain could use the bi-partisan
commission structure used for the Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission (BRAC).
Such a commission could be required to report to the President who would then submit the
recommendations to the Congress for a straight up or down vote.
• A McCain Administration will review all special spending provisions to end subsidies to high-income
individuals and corporations

John McCain will veto every pork-laden spending bill
and make their authors famous. As President, he will seek the line-item veto to reduce waste and
eliminate earmarks that have led to corruption. Earmarks restrict America's ability to address genuine
national priorities and interfere with fair, competitive markets.

• Eliminate broken government programs. The federal government itself admits that one in five
programs do not perform.
• Reform our civil service system to promote accountability and good performance in our federal
workforce.
• Reform procurement programs and cut wasteful spending in defense and non-defense programs.

Edit: I'll stop here, so as not to further upset anyone. But the plan covers many other aspects that are in need of change and reform: Medicare, Business accountability, Lowering Taxes, Foreign Growth, Mortgages/Home Loans

Next, I'll show you the points that I thought were very good in Obama's plan. seriously, unbiased.
 
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Man, the BS in here is getting pretty thick... I know you guys are all about "changing minds" and all that, but this is getting to be a bit of a tired game. :lol

And as for McCain holding off on the debate to "help" solve the crisis, it's a weak attempt at voter sympathy. There are enough people in Washington to handle it, without need of any support. Right now, Americans need to hear from their candidates... to make a decision on who will be inheriting this mess. The election isn't that far away, debates are certainly needed to show people what each of their plans are.

I'm sure I will get a million replies to this message, but I really don't care...
 
Obama's positives from his presented plan:

Obama will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score,
which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for
home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and
understand the full cost of the loan. The HOME score would also help borrowers understand their long-term
obligations and would be required to include mandatory taxes and insurance.

Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will
provide an immediate tax cut averaging $1,400 to 7 million seniors and relieve millions from the burden of
filing tax returns. For millions of seniors, this will eliminate the need to hire a tax preparer, resulting in even
larger savings.

I really like this one:

Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure: Barack Obama will create a credit card rating
system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily
identifiable ranking of credit cards. Under the Obama plan, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) will assess
the degree to which credit cards meet consumer-friendly standards. The FTC will test for a set of credit card
features that are deemed the most dangerous for consumers, including the underwriting standards used to issue the card, the card’s interest rate spread between the introductory rate and the maximum rate allowed, and
transaction fees. The FTC will assign ratings so that consumers can easily understand if a credit card agreement
meets or exceeds standards of safety. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all
application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a
credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents. Credit card companies will
also be required to disclose in simplified, clear language all of the major features of the card in addition to their
FTC rating to provide consumers with additional information to compare credit card products.

Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Credit cards could turn into the next subprime
market crisis, and New Hampshire families have among the highest personal debt levels in the country. In
addition to being able to easily understand how risky a given credit card is, every American should have a
uniform set of rights while dealing with credit card companies, no matter their financial status or credit history.
To protect those rights, Barack Obama will require the Federal Trade Commission to analyze credit card
company compliance with these basic rights, and provide the Department of Justice with the full authority to
investigate and penalize non-compliant companies. The Obama credit card bill of rights will:
• Ban Unilateral Changes: Currently, credit card companies can unilaterally change the terms of a credit
card agreement at any time for any reason with only a 15-day notice to the consumer. Barack Obama
will ban these unilateral changes in credit card agreements unless companies have obtained written
consent from consumers and have followed the rules and terms of the agreement.
• Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt: Credit card companies often apply increased
interest rates to both new debt incurred by the cardholder, as well as previously incurred debt. Barack
Obama will require increased interest rates to apply only to future credit card debt, and not to debt
incurred prior to the increase.
• Prohibit Interest on Fees: Credit card companies often charge interest on transaction fees, such as late
fees or paying a bill by telephone. Barack Obama will prohibit credit card issuers from charging interest
on transaction fees.
• Prohibit “Universal Defaults”: “Universal defaults” are a practice in which a credit card company
raises an individual’s interest rate based on failure to pay a different creditor on time. Barack Obama
will prohibit this practice.
• Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments: Barack Obama will require credit
card issuers to apply payments first to the credit card balance with the highest rate of interest and to
minimize finance charges.

NAFTA/CAFTA seems to be a lie and only halps big business. Lets get rid of it already. It only helps big business import cheap items and apply a larger markup for same cost to consumer, with no "savings" seen by the consumer.
Fight for Fair Trade: At 7 percent of Gross Domestic Product, our trade deficit has never been higher. Barack
Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use
trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against
agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) that fail to live up to those important
benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop
countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S.
exports. Obama will fight for stronger protections for U.S. intellectual property, and – in the case of China in
particular – an end to an artificially devalued currency that puts U.S. companies at a perpetual disadvantage.

Bring on funding for Embryonic Stem cell Research already. I know it's not directly mentioned, but I assume and hope it's implied.
Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research, changing the
posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history
to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the
competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in
America. As a share of the Gross Domestic Product, American federal investment in the physical sciences and
engineering research has dropped by half since 1970. Yet, it often has been federally-supported basic research
that has generated the innovation to create markets and drive economic growth. For example, one recent report
demonstrated how federally supported research in fiber optics and lasers helped spur the telecommunications
revolution.

Make the R&D Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and
development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American
workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit
permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year
timeframes.

Those that I've omitted from his plan, while they sound good, I think they come at a greater cost than waht a casual observation would reveal.
 
Man, the BS in here is getting pretty thick... I know you guys are all about "changing minds" and all that, but this is getting to be a bit of a tired game. :lol

And as for McCain holding off on the debate to "help" solve the crisis, it's a weak attempt at voter sympathy. There are enough people in Washington to handle it, without need of any support. Right now, Americans need to hear from their candidates... to make a decision on who will be inheriting this mess. The election isn't that far away, debates are certainly needed to show people what each of their plans are.

I'm sure I will get a million replies to this message, but I really don't care...


You don't think it's important that our future president be involved in the decision making process to find a practicale and fair solution?

Trust me, debates will insue. Right now, we need a solution to a time bomb. Once that's worked out to completion, hopefully by this Monday, getting another public address on Sunday night, then we can proceed with the political drama.
 
You don't think it's important that our future president be involved in the decision making process to find a practicale and fair solution?

Trust me, debates will insue. Right now, we need a solution to a time bomb. Once that's worked out to completion, hopefully by this Monday, getting another public address on Sunday night, then we can proceed with the political drama.

I think that whatever is going to happen to try and fix this crisis is already being done or is already in works to being done. McCain going there isn't going to make or break the deal. And a few hours away isn't going to hurt anything. In fact, it will only help show the people what they intend to do....

It's one day, after that... he can go and help out. Hell, they both can.

I know this situation is dire, and it proves that our economy is certainly not fundamentally secure. :lol

The main point is, it's like changing a tire... 1-3 people can get the job done, any more than that.. and then end up just standing around watching 3 people change a tire. Missing one guy won't make or break the deal... Start debating while people are concerned and they want to know where our country is going. Now is the best time to get the first debate over and done.
 
I think that whatever is going to happen to try and fix this crisis is already being done or is already in works to being done. McCain going there isn't going to make or break the deal. And a few hours away isn't going to hurt anything. In fact, it will only help show the people what they intend to do....

It's one day, after that... he can go and help out. Hell, they both can.

I know this situation is dire, and it proves that our economy is certainly not fundamentally secure. :lol

The main point is, it's like changing a tire... 1-3 people can get the job done, any more than that.. and then end up just standing around watching 3 people change a tire. Missing one guy won't make or break the deal... Start debating while people are concerned and they want to know where our country is going. Now is the best time to get the first debate over and done.


Actually Josh, and I don't have any supporting facts to back up what I believe to be the fact other than what I've been hearing on the news (I'll try and find a link), but McCain is pushing for a BIPARTISAN solution. Many of the Republican Congressman and Senators are opposed to the idea of "bailing out the rich," and I can see their hesistation. But a solution/bail out is the only course of action unless we want to enter a depression. McCain is trying to close the gap between party lines and get republicans to set their differences aside and sign something that is positive, responsible, fair, and will hopefully prevent a recurrence.

So yes, I think McCain is playing an important role.

But you have people like Dod saying, "He didn't say mush at all" which just shows McCain is trying to play peacekeeper and get something passed rather than be in the bipartisan stalemate the congress has found itself in over anything lately.
 
Man, the BS in here is getting pretty thick... I know you guys are all about "changing minds" and all that, but this is getting to be a bit of a tired game. :lol

And as for McCain holding off on the debate to "help" solve the crisis, it's a weak attempt at voter sympathy. There are enough people in Washington to handle it, without need of any support. Right now, Americans need to hear from their candidates... to make a decision on who will be inheriting this mess. The election isn't that far away, debates are certainly needed to show people what each of their plans are.

I'm sure I will get a million replies to this message, but I really don't care...
You know I think it's funny. When 9/11 occured and President Bush was in that classroom the Dems ripped on him because when he was told about the attacks he didn't jump right up and leave. Now the U.S is faced with another crisis and John McCain stops his campaign and heads to D.C to see if he can help, and he gets ripped on. Guess we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. And what BS are you talking about? Do you know what the difference is between the Republicans and the Democrats on this site. When the Republicans post a story, they also post a link. The Democrats on here just say things like Republicans suck, Obamas about hope and change, and change is good and so on and so forth. Where are your links at. Are you saying the links that we provide are lying? Tell me again why you like Obama.
 
I think the only way Josh or Mesa are going to change their minds about their chosen candidate is if one of them is revealed to be Satan(Their chosen candidate, not Josh or Mesa.) Otherwise you are just going to continue to argue, much to my enjoyment.:D
 
McCain is doing fine work, don't get me wrong... I just think that one day to get this damn debate done wouldn't hurt a thing. That's all I am saying....

And I will say this... as many before me have said. We would be a bit better off right now if Iraq would never have happened. It's been a drain on our economy and the lives of the young... Not saying it was ALL about that, but it's helped.
 
You know I think it's funny. When 9/11 occured and President Bush was in that classroom the Dems ripped on him because when he was told about the attacks he didn't jump right up and leave. Now the U.S is faced with another crisis and John McCain stops his campaign and heads to D.C to see if he can help, and he gets ripped on. Guess we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

I believe what you are referring to is known as politics.:lol:lol:lol
 
You know I think it's funny. When 9/11 occured and President Bush was in that classroom the Dems ripped on him because when he was told about the attacks he didn't jump right up and leave. Now the U.S is faced with another crisis and John McCain stops his campaign and heads to D.C to see if he can help, and he gets ripped on. Guess we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. And what BS are you talking about? Do you know what the difference is between the Republicans and the Democrats on this site. When the Republicans post a story, they also post a link. The Democrats on here just say things like Republicans suck, Obamas about hope and change, and change is good and so on and so forth. Where are your links at. Are you saying the links that we provide are lying? Tell me again why you like Obama.

I don't need links... links need me. :lol

Honestly, I am too damn lazy for links. And I am only voicing my opinion, so no links needed to back up my opinion. The difference between Dems and Repubs here on this site is... Dems don't gang together and hit below the belt as a group. It's more singular... and some of them are tools too. I'm an equal opportunity hater. :D

I'm not RIPPING McCain for doing what he is doing, I just think the debate should go on as planned. Even if Obama was trying to ditch the debate, I would rather he did it already. People need to know...
 
I think the only way Josh or Mesa are going to change their minds about their chosen candidate is if one of them is revealed to be Satan(Their chosen candidate, not Josh or Mesa.) Otherwise you are just going to continue to argue, much to my enjoyment.:D

But dude... I AM SATAN... :devil

:D
 
McCain is doing fine work, don't get me wrong... I just think that one day to get this damn debate done wouldn't hurt a thing. That's all I am saying....

And I will say this... as many before me have said. We would be a bit better off right now if Iraq would never have happened. It's been a drain on our economy and the lives of the young... Not saying it was ALL about that, but it's helped.

In hindsight, I agree 100%. We were all misled. If the Middle East wants to continue their religious war with each other and Israel, or repress a population because of what tribe they belong to (I'm talking about Saddam here), let them. I don't care about them. I care about us. These are MY opinion's, not Dark Artist's, just to clarify.

I think this was inevitable. 9/11/Afghanistan/Iraq was the catalyst, but if it wasn't that, something else would have caused us to pay for our greed and gluttony.
 
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