Future of DC Films (DCEU)

[jye4ever]

Wow what a lineup that totally was worth dumping the Snyderverse right fellas…

 

[Garlador]

Wow what a lineup that totally was worth dumping the Snyderverse right fellas…

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I mean... It still has Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. It always was going to.

I'm sure the Cyborg fans out there are in shambles though.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I only heard of the JL members from that list. What's a Booster Gold?

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I say those exact same words to my girlfriend's husband all the time.

He starts shouting, "I was here first. She truly loves me. You are just a side piece! I'm the main course!"

And then this image pops into my head.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

It's interesting to see how these announcements are already causing a divide in the DC fandom.

Katie Couric got a huge contract years ago to headline an anchor slot that was supposed to draw in what was presumed to be her large individual following. Lots of people thought it was a slam dunk. Like getting Michael Jordan on your basketball team.

And that entire situation just blew up. In everyone's faces.

Make something good, people show up, people have short memories. These big stars, the majority, might not have the zealot like love of the masses out there. Not to the degree of totally ghosting the entire DCEU for it.

The Joker was fantastic. I thought so. Phoenix took it to another level. And he had big shoes to fill with Nicholson and Ledger ahead of him. It's not like people who were angry about Val Kilmer replacing Michael Keaton long before were going to hold that grudge and not watch a movie that got massive positive buzz and incredible word of mouth.

Everything that happened bad is not all of Henry Cavill's fault. A lot it was just stuff out of his total control. But IF he was bankable like Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks, where people will show up just because they are in it, no matter what, then he'd probably still be playing Superman.

You remember Varsity Blues? Ali Larter was in her prime, her smoke show stage, and when Dawson's Creek was a nobody in that movie, she couldn't care less if he got hit by a meteor. Then he upped to the future star of the team. And she showed up in a whipped cream bikini.

That's just how it works. No one cares what you did last week, if you are the rock star today, someone is going to show up in a whipped cream bikini for you. If Gunn makes something good, people will show. I get that some people love Cavill as Superman. But he's not Tom Cruise. And since he's not, he was replaceable. It is unfortunate for Cavill though but sometimes that happens.

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Fans are not a monolith. I was asking for a Batman movie based on Grant Morrison’s work for years, and I know several fans who were asking for a Booster Gold tv show.

I agree. The loudest subset on social media don't represent the mass of moviegoers out there.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Gunn does with Amanda Waller. When Waller was originally conceived, the world was a different place. A sadist as such, from an adult woman, was not that common. But now it's very common in movies/TV to get something sort of like a Waller. Just that type of ruthless Type A with heavy sadism angle. To infuse Waller as a pure heavy today would come off like a beaten down caricature.

However where I think Gunn got it right is he kept showing how tightly wound that Waller was, and by doing so, made it all a little bit ridiculous. Which I think is the correct tone here. Some times thing get so grim that all you can do is laugh.

I know some people won't enjoy that. But I am really curious on how Gunn sees that Waller got to be like that. I find that fascinating. Just like some flashbacks to young Cottonmouth and his sister was better than anything else shown in the first season of Luke Cage.

Different doesn't automatically mean bad.

A lot of people feel that way when they get laid off from a job. It's what they've known for a long time and they are used to it and there's a certain amount of doubt moving forward. That something new could be worse. But for many, it's a blessing in disguise. Or can be.

I'm open to the idea that there is someone who could do as good or better than Cavill. If that kind of thought process didn't exist, we would have never gotten Ledger as Joker, then again Phoenix as the Joker too. And that would have been a real loss.

This is not a perspective that I am pushing as "better", just one that is "different"

 

[Kebron]

Sure, and I love GotG. But I think he's a one trick pony, and that's what you'll get here with DC.

I just don't think this will come together at all in a serious way.

That’s exactly what people said about GoTG. And by your own admission you loved it.

Why not give him a chance instead of just bashing everything right off the bat?

 

[franpincho]

So glad this snyder **** is DEAD.

 

[jye4ever]

I’ll easily take 300, MOS, BvS and ZSJL over any movie James Gunn has directed in his entire career.

GOTG 1-2 for me were at the bottom of the barrel from Phase 1-3.

IM1-First Avenger-Thor 1-Thor 3-TWS-Civil War-Avengers-IW-EG quality they are not.

 

[ironwez20]

I’ll easily take 300, MOS, BvS and ZSJL over any movie James Gunn has directed in his entire career.

GOTG 1-2 for me were at the bottom of the barrel from Phase 1-3.

IM1-First Avenger-Thor 1-Thor 3-TWS-Civil War-Avengers-IW-EG quality they are not.

And Snyder films aren’t mcu quality. I’d rather have Gunn then some one trick pony who is only good at making visuals

 

[batfan08]

Keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I tell myself a lot of things to get to sleep at night, but the one I keep coming back to is “Zack Snyder will never touch another DC property.” Works better than Melatonin and I’m out like a light every single time.

 

[snoop101]

I tell myself a lot of things to get to sleep at night, but the one I keep coming back to is “Zack Snyder will never touch another DC property.” Works better than Melatonin and I’m out like a light every single time.

 

[Jay Virtual]

So glad this snyder **** is DEAD.

For a second there I thought your avatar turned into a GIF.

 

[batfan08]

All kidding aside, I didn’t mind the Snyder Cut or Man of Steel and there was a period of time where, dare I say, I was a staunch BvS defender (jyecat can attest to that). I feel like Snyder’s one of those guys, though, that could never get out of his own way. While conceptually off base IMO, inside of the Snyder Cut and, even, the BvS Ultimate Cut, there’s a leaner, better version of each, but the guy cannot edit (or find an editor) to save his life. And, because of that, his filmmaking style seems to be “everything and the kitchen sink (literally in the case of BvS).

That’s not a great way to approach things. People looked at BvS and Whedon’s JL and the butchery that transpired and doubled down on the need to “adhere to Snyder’s vision,” but I maintain what I said before. His vision is overlong, self-indulgent, and bordering on ridiculousness in his obsession with being “artsy.” BvS, in my opinion, needed cuts and it didn’t need to be 3 hours long…but they cut all the wrong crap. I don’t need a half hour of slow motion cannons firing and faucets dripping. This is a damn Superman/Batman movie. Not whatever Terrence Malick’s been up to for the past 14 years.

Had they honed in on narratively important stuff like the branded inmate being killed and the Luthor goon squad burning the village to make it look like heat vision did it, people might not have been so quick to jump down its throat over all the plot holes.


Likewise, ZSJL’s 4 hour run time was ridiculous. It wasn’t just that it was ridiculous, it’s that it was unnecessary and it felt like Snyder had given up altogether on trying to hide the fact that he’s just an overgrown frat bro who likes The Fountainhead. From the Nordic Aqua songs to enough slow-motion musical montages to make Rocky Balboa blush, it felt like all sizzle and no steak. I didn’t need a Momoa rock n’ roll striptease. Nor did I need an edgy guitar motif while we get an unflattering up skirt shot of Batfleck on a gargoyle…nor did I need another edgy guitar motif while Wonder Woman also stood on a Gargoyle for a minute and a half.

By the time you get to that final shot of the JL assembled on the cliff side (a beautiful shot that evoked Alex Ross’ work), it completely loses its impact because you’ve been bombarded with hollow iconography over the last 3 and a half hours.

But more than that, his stuff was tone deaf and it was clear to me that the only understanding he had of these characters spun from his misbegotten misunderstanding of Watchmen and Miller’s stuff. He failed to realize the aspirational value of these characters and, because of that, he made weird creative choices that alienated most, if not all, of his audience, save for a few adherents.

 

[T8OO]

watch the mcu then come back to me.

I'm back.

 

[Alatar]

Sure, and I love GotG. But I think he's a one trick pony, and that's what you'll get here with DC.

I'll ask this. Who are the big characters of the MCU when it comes to facing off with the big bad etc ? It's not GotG, they are quirky comic relief (sure with a good story of their own) but not main characters.

What characters has Gunn picked out at DC. Quirky ones. Starting with Peacemaker, the Suicide Squad and now with The Authority and Booster Gold.

I just don't think this will come together at all in a serious way.

A one trick pony that went back to the well twice by now with increasing diminishing returns. GotG Vol. 2 started to feel forced by him more transparently relying on the same tropes; and by the time he did it again with TSS it actually fell flat. What a strange movie TSS was. It made me care zip about the characters or story itself. I certainly was not rooting for them. I felt no investment in them. But anyway my guess is that he’ll probably end the GotG series effectively because 1) GotG are all great characters, and 2) he does know how to create feels moments between characters.

The slate we’re getting is because the company is so heavily in debt. Gunn is trying to figure out how he can work the same magic of using obscure characters appeal to us. Except here we know how the magic trick works.

 

[moose]

The authority why would you even bother with that when you have a squicde squad . I never liked the merging of image comic characters in to dc . Zealot grifter wild cats storm watch these are copies of something that already exists in dc

 

[ironwez20]

I'm back.

Good. Hope you learned something.

 

[ironwez20]

All kidding aside, I didn’t mind the Snyder Cut or Man of Steel and there was a period of time where, dare I say, I was a staunch BvS defender (jyecat can attest to that). I feel like Snyder’s one of those guys, though, that could never get out of his own way. While conceptually off base IMO, inside of the Snyder Cut and, even, the BvS Ultimate Cut, there’s a leaner, better version of each, but the guy cannot edit (or find an editor) to save his life. And, because of that, his filmmaking style seems to be “everything and the kitchen sink (literally in the case of BvS).

That’s not a great way to approach things. People looked at BvS and Whedon’s JL and the butchery that transpired and doubled down on the need to “adhere to Snyder’s vision,” but I maintain what I said before. His vision is overlong, self-indulgent, and bordering on ridiculousness in his obsession with being “artsy.” BvS, in my opinion, needed cuts and it didn’t need to be 3 hours long…but they cut all the wrong crap. I don’t need a half hour of slow motion cannons firing and faucets dripping. This is a damn Superman/Batman movie. Not whatever Terrence Malick’s been up to for the past 14 years.

Had they honed in on narratively important stuff like the branded inmate being killed and the Luthor goon squad burning the village to make it look like heat vision did it, people might not have been so quick to jump down its throat over all the plot holes.


Likewise, ZSJL’s 4 hour run time was ridiculous. It wasn’t just that it was ridiculous, it’s that it was unnecessary and it felt like Snyder had given up altogether on trying to hide the fact that he’s just an overgrown frat bro who likes The Fountainhead. From the Nordic Aqua songs to enough slow-motion musical montages to make Rocky Balboa blush, it felt like all sizzle and no steak. I didn’t need a Momoa rock n’ roll striptease. Nor did I need an edgy guitar motif while we get an unflattering up skirt shot of Batfleck on a gargoyle…nor did I need another edgy guitar motif while Wonder Woman also stood on a Gargoyle for a minute and a half.

By the time you get to that final shot of the JL assembled on the cliff side (a beautiful shot that evoked Alex Ross’ work), it completely loses its impact because you’ve been bombarded with hollow iconography over the last 3 and a half hours.

But more than that, his stuff was tone deaf and it was clear to me that the only understanding he had of these characters spun from his misbegotten misunderstanding of Watchmen and Miller’s stuff. He failed to realize the aspirational value of these characters and, because of that, he made weird creative choices that alienated most, if not all, of his audience, save for a few adherents.

Damn. Amazing post !

 

[Garlador]

I’ll easily take 300, MOS, BvS and ZSJL over any movie James Gunn has directed in his entire career.

Slither and Super are great!

I actually like several Snyder films, and while I think he’s the equivalent of that angsty teenager of the 90s who thought Superman was lame and Rorschach was cool, he was at least competent and had a gift for cinematography and music choices. But his editing and storytelling chops are dire. With the right partners and material, they can offset his deficiencies. 300 is a perfect fit for him - stylish, indulgent, and simple.

But I’d watch Gunn’s Scooby-Doo movies long before I suffer another rewatch of SuckerPunch.