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I love the way WWE argues a point though.

I looked back and in 5 minutes I have determined that the 2015-2016 Orlando Magic could beat the 90's Suns/Blazers/Sonics so Lebron is the GOAT.

Then he asks you to argue that point, LMAO. What a character. Sure did miss the kid.

That sums it up perfectly. He's the CBG of the sports and Walking Dead threads. :lol
 
As evidenced by my posts, I'm obviously a fan of Lebron. But yeah, based on my own experiences watching the NBA, MJ has to be considered the greatest of all time (Sorry, I hate the acronym for that...just seems silly that GOAT can either mean Greatest of All Time or can refer to someone who costs his team the game...)

EDIT: Just realized that my previous post RE The popcorn GIF may have been misconstrued...just agreeing with your argument and was sitting back and enjoying it. LOL.
 
As evidenced by my posts, I'm obviously a fan of Lebron. But yeah, based on my own experiences watching the NBA, MJ has to be considered the greatest of all time (Sorry, I hate the acronym for that...just seems silly that GOAT can either mean Greatest of All Time or can refer to someone who costs his team the game...)

EDIT: Just realized that my previous post RE The popcorn GIF may have been misconstrued...just agreeing with your argument and was sitting back and enjoying it. LOL.

No worries Dino. I know the popcorn GIF was mentioned in jest. I am a MJ fan but definitely get a laugh whenever I see it. Like I said, it takes nothing away from MJ's accomplishments in the League.
 
I am but Seattle and Tampa Bay don't have NBA teams. :)

Root for the Thunder then :lol
Greatest athlete eh?

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If you're gonna play that multi-talent card (the rest of your statement is pure conjecture), then Babe Ruth has nothing on Jim Thorpe, Jackie Robinson or Bo Jackson...Babe was great no doubt but he did come a long at the right place, right time. And remember, it was during segregation. Imagine we had segregation today, how different the landscape would be for professional sports.

"Sports Star" then. Obviously Ruth wasn't an athlete by definition. The rest of my statement isn't pure conjecture. It is supported by multiple sources and historians alike. The historical impact of Ruth is greater than Jordan or Montana, Bo, Thorpe, even Jackie since there were players that played before Jackie (Moses Fleetwood Walker). You can't hold Ruth responsible for segregation either. If we are going that route, then Josh Gibson is the GOAT.
 
He retired the first time because his Dad was murdered

He retired in what.. October... then announces he will play Baseball a couple months later..... Why not go back to basketball?

MJ is the GOAT. 6-0 in the Finals, 6 time Finals MVP, multiple Defensive player of the year awards, multiple NBA scoring titles, multiple League MVPs, and the BEST PER rating of any player in the NBA. Magic, Russell, Barkley, Baylor, Cousy, Shaq, West, and Pippen are all Legendary players who have played in different eras of the NBA. Do you know what all of these iconic players have in common? When EVERY one of them was asked publicly who is the GOAT of the NBA...EVERY one of them answered MJ. I'll take all the credentials I listed above and the opinion of the Legendary players of the NBA over anything you have to say any day of the week.

I don't know why you think I said Jordan isn't the GOAT. I don't why you are rambling on about this getting so upset. I said Jordan is one of the GOATs today, but is placed on too high of a pedestal. He is overrated, that doesn't mean he can't be a GOAT. People view him as too great of player...

Oh, and by the way, Tom Brady never has been and never will be GOAT. You can't lose 2 Super Bowls to Giants teams that barely made the playoffs and get GOAT consideration (especially when you had an undefeated team in one of those Super Bowls). On top of that, he would have lost his last Super Bowl if the Seahawks would have been smart enough to just hand the ball off at the 1 yard line. He should be 3-3 in the big game. 4-2 is a bit better but just one step above average. 6-0 and being 6 time Superbowl MVP would have made Brady GOAT....just ask MJ.

How can Jordan be GOAT after all those first round exits and how can Jordan be GOAT when he doesn't have the most rings? See, I can do the same thing. Just stop with Jordan. Every reply to me you cry about Jordan. It is comical how upset you are to bring up Brady. You are disrespectful to the game to call Brady "one step above average."

Exactly. Just shows the lack of knowledge and understanding he has for the history of the game. His age is definitely showing.

No...... my history of sports knowledge... actually history in general.... is greater than all of you. You like Jordan more than I like Brady :lol
 
I have an inkling what the responses will be but I'll throw out what I am reading for discussion:
Jordan faced Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz in the finals.
Lebron faced Spurs, Mavericks, Thunder and Warriors in the finals.

If I am reading the posts properly, none of James finals opponents could hold a candle to Jordan's? In addition, Lebron has partnered with soooo much talent on teams that continue to fail. Then is the talent on his teams Wade, Bosh / Love , Irving superior or equal too the talent on Jordan's, Pippen, Rodman / Grant?

Jordan had better teams and players then his opponents and he won as expected. James is facing "some" equally quality opponents as Jordan (?) yet with less talent doesn't it make the outcomes less about failure?
 
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I have an inkling what the responses will be but I'll throw out what I am reading for discussion:
Jordan faced Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz in the finals.
Lebron faced Spurs, Mavericks, Thunder and Warriors in the finals.

If I am reading the posts properly, none of James finals opponents could hold a candle to Jordan's? In addition, Lebron has partnered with soooo much talent on teams that continue to fail. Then is the talent on his teams Wade, Bosh / Love , Irving superior or equal too the talent on Jordan's, Pippen, Rodman / Grant?

Jordan had better teams and players then his opponents and he won as expected. James is facing "some" equally quality opponents as Jordan (?) yet with less talent doesn't it make the outcomes less about failure?

See this my problem with LeBron. You got Jedi going around saying how great teams are in the NBA since the early 2000's. Better than teams in the 80's and 90's that were stacked full of HOFers. If that's the case, how does LeBron make it to 3 NBA Finals with ****** Cavs teams since other teams of his era are so great? This is where Bron fans say, well he's an incredible player. He's so damn good he put those teams on his back and got to the Finals. However, when he gets to the finals, this incredible player doesn't get it done. Not one, not twice, but possibly 3 times. Well, let's get him some talent. Put him on a Miami team that's got Wade and Bosh on it along with some other good role players. What's he do? He goes 2 for 4 and very nearly goes 1 for 3 if the Spurs didn't lose their composure in the closing minutes of game 6. Sorry, none of that spells special to me personally. Is he an fantastic athlete and basketball player. Without a doubt. One of the best to play the game? OK. Is he special? Does he thrill me like watching Magic, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, and MJ did? To that end, I can honestly say no.
 
See this my problem with LeBron. You got Jedi going around saying how great teams are in the NBA since the early 2000's. Better than teams in the 80's and 90's that were stacked full of HOFers. If that's the case, how does LeBron make it to 3 NBA Finals with ****** Cavs teams since other teams of his era are so great? This is where Bron fans say, well he's an incredible player. He's so damn good he put those teams on his back and got to the Finals. However, when he gets to the finals, this incredible player doesn't get it done. Not one, not twice, but possibly 3 times. Well, let's get him some talent. Put him on a Miami team that's got Wade and Bosh on it along with some other good role players. What's he do? He goes 2 for 4 and very nearly goes 1 for 3 if the Spurs didn't lose their composure in the closing minutes of game 6. Sorry, none of that spells special to me personally. Is he an fantastic athlete and basketball player. Without a doubt. One of the best to play the game? OK. Is he special? Does he thrill me like watching Magic, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, and MJ did? To that end, I can honestly say no.

I didn't find Bird, Duncan or Hakeem thrilling myself....which isn't to say their not great players their brand isn't for me.

Hakeem won two championships (none with Chuck and Clyde), Robinson one (with Duncan) Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Ewing.....zero. They are considered some of the greatest to play in the league...sooooo if we use the what have you done why are they considered great? Would their teams be great against Russell's Celtics? Kinda like saying Lebron's teams or teams he faced in finals / playoffs wouldn't match up to an 80's or 90's squad.

I think comparing generation is asinine because no one will ever know. Take them for what they did in their time and let that be the judge. Russell kicked everyone in his era's ass so he is GOAT....Jordan kicked everyone in his era's ass so he is GOAT....Tim and Kobe did the same...yada, yada, yada
 
I didn't find Bird, Duncan or Hakeem thrilling myself....which isn't to say their not great players their brand isn't for me.

Hakeem won two championships (none with Chuck and Clyde), Robinson one (with Duncan) Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Ewing.....zero. They are considered some of the greatest to play in the league...sooooo if we use the what have you done why are they considered great? Would their teams be great against Russell's Celtics? Kinda like saying Lebron's teams or teams he faced in finals / playoffs wouldn't match up to an 80's or 90's squad.

I think comparing generation is asinine because no one will ever know. Take them for what they did in their time and let that be the judge. Russell kicked everyone in his era's ass so he is GOAT....Jordan kicked everyone in his era's ass so he is GOAT....Tim and Kobe did the same...yada, yada, yada

There is only one GOAT. If you polled 100-10,000 people(athletes, regular joes, NBA players) who they thought was GOAT, guaranteed the majority would vote for Jordan. I feel the same way...
 
GOAT based on what criteria? he isn't the greatest athelete......he isn't the leagues leading scorer, assist, rebounder etc....he doesn't have the most titles.....he doesn't own the record for most points in a game.....hasn't played in most playoff games nor has the highest winning percentage....the list goes on and on....it's all opinion which everyone is entitled too.

I'm not saying he isn't great or the greatest of his era......just don't buy the concept of single GOAT
 
See this my problem with LeBron. You got Jedi going around saying how great teams are in the NBA since the early 2000's. Better than teams in the 80's and 90's that were stacked full of HOFers. If that's the case, how does LeBron make it to 3 NBA Finals with ****** Cavs teams since other teams of his era are so great? This is where Bron fans say, well he's an incredible player. He's so damn good he put those teams on his back and got to the Finals. However, when he gets to the finals, this incredible player doesn't get it done. Not one, not twice, but possibly 3 times. Well, let's get him some talent. Put him on a Miami team that's got Wade and Bosh on it along with some other good role players. What's he do? He goes 2 for 4 and very nearly goes 1 for 3 if the Spurs didn't lose their composure in the closing minutes of game 6. Sorry, none of that spells special to me personally. Is he an fantastic athlete and basketball player. Without a doubt. One of the best to play the game? OK. Is he special? Does he thrill me like watching Magic, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, and MJ did? To that end, I can honestly say no.

Exactly, anyone in the goat convo needs or needed to win when it counted, bron simply hasn't done that more then the others in get convo
 
GOAT based on what criteria? he isn't the greatest athelete......he isn't the leagues leading scorer, assist, rebounder etc....he doesn't have the most titles.....he doesn't own the record for most points in a game.....hasn't played in most playoff games nor has the highest winning percentage....the list goes on and on....it's all opinion which everyone is entitled too.

I'm not saying he isn't great or the greatest of his era......just don't buy the concept of single GOAT

Just start a vote on any forum likely to get above 1000 hits. Put 20 players names who you think would be GOAT...watch Jordan get the move votes...end of story.
 
Only LeBron fans would questions Jordan's GOAT status...no other fan in their right mind ever do so, only fans of Lebron, always the same common denominator...too funny
 
Only LeBron fans would questions Jordan's GOAT status...no other fan in their right mind ever do so, only fans of Lebron, always the same common denominator...too funny

Not certain if that is directed towards me because I don't follow the popular opinion like a sheep. I never said Lebron was the greatest anything or better then anyone....I think GOAT is a lazy term.

I wanted to know the criteria that makes Jordan the one and only GOAT and all I received was popular opinion polls. He owns no major "records per say" but is held in such high esteem. Jedi may not articulate his thoughts the greatest by pissing people off but he does raise decent questions for conversations.
 
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