Goku vs. Superman

[GasparZizou]

Absolutely, in my opinion. Without even mentioning SSJG, even a low-level Saiyan like Raditz could move faster than the speed of light. Pure strength isn't the only deciding factor on debating who's "better" .

No low level saiyan can move to the speed of light, not even goku in SSJ3 can fly or run that fast, and instant transmission doesn't involve speed.

Superman on the other hand once flew so fast that he broke every barrier (including light) until someone (don't remember who) had to stop him because he was about to break the last barrier (heaven, eden, the beyond or whatever you wanna call it).

Also, Goku's intellect is not match for Supes, as far as I know, Goku's intelligence doesn't scale up when powering up through SSJ levels.

And Supes also knows martial arts, even mental control kryptonian martial arts.

My 2 cents, from what I've read about SSJG, Goku doesn't match Superman and SSJG doesn't even come close to Prime.

About who's better? I like them both, Goku was part of my childhood and DB it's a show I love just as much as TAS, I'm just saying Superman can knock the **** out of Goku with a Superfart

 

[Biojex]

This whole convo amounts to:

Little kid#1: "I shot you I SHOT YOU!"


Little kid#2: "Nu uh! I had my shields up!"

 

[GasparZizou]

don't you just love it?

God I think I've Peter Pan syndrome....

 

[Biojex]

I do. It's awesome.


The thing with Superman is, he's been around for so many years, with so many different writers giving him so many new powers, that Supes really doesn't have any limits. Currently, hasn't he become immune to the effects of Kryptonite? As well as not needing the sun to give him power? I could have sworn that happened.

Poor Goku hasn't had new material in a long time. Now they're coming back with new stuff and we may see all new powers from Goku...this "fight" could get a whole lot more interesting

 

[Snake Plissken]

The problem with Superman is that there is too many Superman and nothing definitive anymore.

There is only one Goku.

 

[Solidus]

No low level saiyan can move to the speed of light, not even goku in SSJ3 can fly or run that fast, and instant transmission doesn't involve speed.

Superman on the other hand once flew so fast that he broke every barrier (including light) until someone (don't remember who) had to stop him because he was about to break the last barrier (heaven, eden, the beyond or whatever you wanna call it).

Also, Goku's intellect is not match for Supes, as far as I know, Goku's intelligence doesn't scale up when powering up through SSJ levels.

And Supes also knows martial arts, even mental control kryptonian martial arts.

If you remember from an earlier episode of DBZ, Raditz was able to dodge Piccolo's special beam cannon (which is essentially a laser-based attack). Sayians might not be able to travel at light speed in long distances, but they can certainly achieve or exceed it in short bursts while fighting.

In my opinion, Superman belongs more in the movies, because it gets too boring seeing comic-panel after comic-panel, of him duking it out with aliens. Aren't his stories and abilities constantly being reconnected as well? For one thing, I never regarded Superman as someone with high intellect, or let alone, a Kryptonian martial arts master (whatever the heck that is) .

 

[Snake Plissken]

If you remember from an earlier episode of DBZ, Raditz was able to dodge Piccolo's special beam cannon (which is essentially a laser-based attack). Sayians might not be able to travel at light speed in long distances, but they can certainly achieve or exceed it in short bursts.

In my opinion, Superman belongs more in the movies, because it gets too boring seeing comic-panel after comic-panel, of him duking it out aliens. Aren't his stories and abilities constantly being reconnected as well? For one thing, I never regarded Superman as someone with high intellect or a Kryptonian martial arts master (whatever the heck that is) .

Superman was always a glorified meat-fist fighter.

 

[GasparZizou]

If you remember from an earlier episode of DBZ, Raditz was able to dodge Piccolo's special beam cannon (which is essentially a laser-based attack). Sayians might not be able to travel at light speed in long distances, but they can certainly achieve or exceed it in short bursts while fighting.

In my opinion, Superman belongs more in the movies, because it gets too boring seeing comic-panel after comic-panel, of him duking it out with aliens. Aren't his stories and abilities constantly being reconnected as well? For one thing, I never regarded Superman as someone with high intellect, or let alone, a Kryptonian martial arts master (whatever the heck that is) .

So does Superman.

I don't think Supes comics are boring, are you kidding? For that matter do you think every other comic is boring? Or even the DB manga? I challenge you to watch anything following Frieza's Saga and not fall asleep

DB was good in it's time, but it didn't age well, too many plot holes.

Yes, the new 52 is a restart of all the franchises, still, the main traits remain in the character, that includes being able to learn how to perform a surgery and learn 10 years worth of medical education in seconds, that's right, seconds.

Superman was always a glorified meat-fist fighter.

You obviously don't know much about him Pliss

 

[Snake Plissken]

I never understood the point of Superman since he's so overpowered for his villains. How can anything in Metropolis ever come to a head with him around?

DBZ is dated, but at least there was a sense of dread since the villains could get the upper hand.

 

[GasparZizou]

I never understood the point of Superman since he's so overpowered for his villains. How can anything in Metropolis ever come to a head with him around?

DBZ is dated, but at least there was a sense of dread since the villains could get the upper hand.

Not in Metropolis itself, but the cosmic villains that can invade Metropolis and the Earth do, there are many DC and Marvel characters and villains that are more powerful than Supes.

There was no sense of dread in DBZ, not after you learned they didn't care if the villain killed everyone and you could just bring them back with dem ballz everything after the androids is blerghgh for me, but I still love it though.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Not in Metropolis itself, but the cosmic villains that can invade Metropolis and the Earth do, there are many DC and Marvel characters and villains that are more powerful than Supes.

There was no sense of dread in DBZ, not after you learned they didn't care if the villain killed everyone and you could just bring them back with dem ballz

Sure the Dragonballs bring people back, but they were never "written" back to life like in Marvel and DC

 

[GasparZizou]

So what? Most of the times the comebacks are brilliantly handled and planned ahead, there's no problem with that.

Kryptonian healing coma > Magic heart fixer pills.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Yeah but DBZ deaths never made the news

Publicity just to bring them back. Comic deaths in the news is ludicrous.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah but DBZ deaths never made the news

Publicity just to bring them back. Comic deaths in the news is ludicrous.

Yeah some of them are dumb I agree, most recently Catwoman, that poor puss1e didn't see it coming (no pun intended, ok maybe), but there's plenty dumb in DBZ as well.

On another note: I think my favorite character right next to Goku is Mr. Satan

 

[Snake Plissken]

Well this discussion isn't really about what franchise is better, it's about the two men.

 

[GasparZizou]

Fair enough, based on what I know about Supes and Goku.

SSJG Goku > New 52 Supes.

Silver Age, Post Crisis, Prime Supes >>>> SSJG Goku.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I know Silver Age is retardedly strong, but I don't know enough about that incarnation to base anything on.

I just don't see the point in trying to make the hero so overly powerful. Was it just so they have the bragging rights of being the strongest?

 

[GasparZizou]

The point is that villains and other characters were also escalating their powers, so actually Superman is only overly powerful compared to most human heroes, but not at all when you compare him to the heavy hitters.

Also, because Superman has achieved so high levels of power, some of his stories are completely based on philosophical and moral dilemmas instead of physical challenges, which are just brilliant, I recommend you read Red Son, if you want to know what I'm talking about.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I guess I can just never get into Superman since there is just too many versions of him out there.

Batman is vanilla, he doesn't have powers so he's accessible in pretty much ever incarnation.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yup, I guess that's why Bats is more popular.