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I would have thought better of you, especially since the Nolan films actually did have high stakes in them.
As much as I love Cap and the Cap trilogy that's the one thing that I have to admit is missing. The First Avenger was probably the best in that regard.
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I would have thought better of you, especially since the Nolan films actually did have high stakes in them.
But you weren't talking about the Nolan trilogy, just the MCU and DCEU and comparing it to SW.
I can agree with this when comparing the Cap trilogy/MCU with certain films, but I'm not sure I'd include SW.
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We're talking about characters that actually matter, and that people actually care about
Correct, because the Nolan trilogy had satisfyingly high dramatic stakes like a SW film which I would have thought you'd appreciate me recognizing. The MCU/DCEU aren't on that level. Status quo, status quo, status quo.
I guess I've always known you to be a Nolan guy but never pegged you as someone blind to the shortcomings of the MCU/DCEU....
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I've never really thought enough about the "high dramatic stakes" in those 3 franchises, maybe individually, but not enough to compare them, since I enjoy some of the SW films, MCU, and DC films.
I guess it depends on what you consider "high dramatic stakes". Also, which SW and MCU and DC films? I can't say that ALL SW films have higher stakes than ALL DC/MCU films.
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This is sadly true, I think the MCU is more to blame however. The only BIG death so far in the DCEU is supes, and we all know he ain't actually dead.
Obi's death moved the story foreword.
Did quicksilvers death do that? No.
Did superman's death do that? So far no.
Cap and Tony are the soul of the MCU and won't die (unless, like Khev said, to bring them back later. Thus loosing the whole point of the death in the first place.
Look at the agent dude, he was dead when I walked out of the theater to Avengers, go home he's on TV. It convolutes everything, and honestly makes it less pleasing to watch.
Even if you take an unpopular episode like TFA, Hans death meant so much to the past and present.
Name one that involves The Guardians, Thor, or Strange. Matter of fact Name one that doesn't involve Cap or Tony.
You're telling me that there's material in the MCU that made you feel the same as when you saw Han and Chewie aboard the Falcon again? Or even a sequence in the MCU/DCEU that recreates the feeling in your stomach during the Falcon chase? Nope.
And that can't be all related to nostalgia either. I got that feeling and I wasn't even born until a good amount of time after ROTJ.
I would have thought better of you, especially since the Nolan films actually did have high stakes in them.
As much as I love Cap and the Cap trilogy that's the one thing that I have to admit is missing. The First Avenger was probably the best in that regard.
I'd say the stakes in TWS are up there with TDK and BB.
The rest of the MCU has no stakes. You know the good guy will always win in the end, without any consequences.
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But the destruction of the world doesn't scream low stakes though.
Khev, this from you...
Khev covered that too.
Does the classic Godzilla (1998) feel like high stakes because it might be the end of New York?
Nooope. It's just a silly movie with people in it.
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I hate end of world stakes anyways, I prefer the more personal ones and BB/TDK had very good ones indeed.
Cap's Bucky friendship has been pretty good so far.
I love the MCU and SW a ton so i'm good.
Cap's Bucky friendship has been pretty good so far.
I love the MCU and SW a ton so i'm good.
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I hate end of world stakes anyways, I prefer the more personal ones and BB/TDK had very good ones indeed.
Cap's Bucky friendship has been pretty good s far.
I love the MCU and SW a ton so i'm good.
I love them too, one just means more to me (SW) than the other. I agree though, Cap and Bucky's relationship is the shining point of the MCU. A long with Tony and his struggle with addiction.
The rest is just bantha fodder designed for us to shove popcorn in our faces at a 15$ p/h price tag.
It's fun bantha fodder tho.
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I love them too, one just means more to me (SW) than the other. I agree though, Cap and Bucky's relationship is the shining point of the MCU. A long with Tony and his struggle with addiction.
The rest is just bantha fodder designed for us to shove popcorn in our faces at a 15$ p/h price tag.
It's fun bantha fodder tho.
But I think this is where you and I split off...the superhero team up and action in the MCU carries the rest for me.
I'd say when Hulk bashed Loki into the ground was pretty memorable
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Trailer looks great!
Stopped reading thread after 2nd insecure "better than Star Wars" post.
Stopped reading thread after 2nd insecure "better than Star Wars" post.
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You know I love the MCU jye but I just never feel like anyone is in danger like characters in other sci-fi/action movies. I don't fault the stories for having certain main characters survive but when everyone is immune, right down to random SHIELD agents, I just can't get as emotionally invested in the action. In the beginning it was enough to finally be able to geek out just watching my favorite heroes in action. Now I want the action to actually mean something.
I will say I agree that the Steve/Bucky friendship and to a lesser extent the Steve/Tony friendship has been handled very well though and does indeed give the films some emotional gravitas that is otherwise somewhat lacking in the battles themselves (relatively speaking.)
I will say I agree that the Steve/Bucky friendship and to a lesser extent the Steve/Tony friendship has been handled very well though and does indeed give the films some emotional gravitas that is otherwise somewhat lacking in the battles themselves (relatively speaking.)
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I think the Bucky / Steve relationship has been explored well.
I think Civil War was a mess when it came to Steve and Tonys relationship.
The movies are entertaining but there are no stakes. I don't see any big threats or impact to the MCU... I really doubt they will kill either Steve or Tony (if not bring them back with an infinity stone or whatever) and then the actors are done they will have their characters retire and have someone else take their mantle... ie. Bucky as Cap or War Machine as Iron Man.
I think Civil War was a mess when it came to Steve and Tonys relationship.
The movies are entertaining but there are no stakes. I don't see any big threats or impact to the MCU... I really doubt they will kill either Steve or Tony (if not bring them back with an infinity stone or whatever) and then the actors are done they will have their characters retire and have someone else take their mantle... ie. Bucky as Cap or War Machine as Iron Man.
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