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:exactly: :goodpost:
I think more people on the street would recognize even Mystique before they would "major" Justice Leaguers who are big in the comics but have no mass appeal. Nothing beats DC's top 2, but Marvel is more recognizable overall. I love em all though!

Aside from popularity I also think the last 3 Marvel PFs also suffered from just not being as good as the last/first 3 DC PFs. You can't beat Batman, period, but SW and Spider-Woman just aren't as good as the other sculpts. And Hawkeye actually does look great, but not having a switch out part EX is the only reason it's ES isn't at least 500. They could have even just painted the EX bow and arrows brown and it would have probably been 500. Throw in Ant-Man and you would have had a winner.

:goodpost::exactly::goodpost: couldn't have said it better myself
 
Hawkeye is a b-level character at best.
i'm going to respectfully disagree...any true fan knows he's essential to any display line-up when regarding the Avengers
he's been a favourite of mine ever since he joined way back in 65 (Avengers were assembled in 63)
i for one was thrilled when he was revealed...he was an instant purchase and he's going to look incredibly badass alongside my Thor PF, IM Maq, Cap PF, Hulk Maq, SW PF, Vision PF and my Bowen Pym/Classic Action Wasp
keeping my fingers crossed for an SSC Quicksilver PF somewhere down the road

imho, this piece is a "must have" if you're an Avengers fan
 
Hey, Hawkeye's one of my top 3 or 4 Marvel characters. But an A-lister he ain't, otherwise you have a pretty liberal grading scale ;) As for whether or not he's an essential Avenger to display, well, that's extremely subjective, and I wouldn't say that folks aren't "true fans" who don't have him on the shelf (though I will). I think Hulk is definitely NOT an essential Avenger, since he lasted less than 2 issues. I think the real "essential" Avengers are the other founders plus Cap. In my mind, Hawkeye is in that 2nd tier list with his other early teammates Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Vision, and to a lesser extent guys like Beast and Black Panther.
 
Hey, Hawkeye's one of my top 3 or 4 Marvel characters. But an A-lister he ain't, otherwise you have a pretty liberal grading scale ;) As for whether or not he's an essential Avenger to display, well, that's extremely subjective, and I wouldn't say that folks aren't "true fans" who don't have him on the shelf (though I will). I think Hulk is definitely NOT an essential Avenger, since he lasted less than 2 issues. I think the real "essential" Avengers are the other founders plus Cap. In my mind, Hawkeye is in that 2nd tier list with his other early teammates Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Vision, and to a lesser extent guys like Beast and Black Panther.
after reading this i couldn't help but go over some of the early lineups...damn i miss the early years :)...SO many great stories :)

also...i couldn't help notice a few other characters that i've been patiently waiting for from SSC...Zemo, Kang, Loki and a Sub-Mariner (PF)...where the hell are these guys ?? :)

are you listening Sideshow ??
 
Hey, Hawkeye's one of my top 3 or 4 Marvel characters. But an A-lister he ain't, otherwise you have a pretty liberal grading scale ;) As for whether or not he's an essential Avenger to display, well, that's extremely subjective, and I wouldn't say that folks aren't "true fans" who don't have him on the shelf (though I will). I think Hulk is definitely NOT an essential Avenger, since he lasted less than 2 issues. I think the real "essential" Avengers are the other founders plus Cap. In my mind, Hawkeye is in that 2nd tier list with his other early teammates Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Vision, and to a lesser extent guys like Beast and Black Panther.

If Wonder Man is on the same level as Hawkeye I think Black Panther belongs as well. To me he's an essential classic Avenger. He joined before well known members like Vision, Beast, She-Hulk, even before Black Widow. He's just been off and the team so frequently since the late 60s, whereas people like Thor or Iron Man seem to have longer stretches of absence.

But I agree and around here it's a dead point because they love the statue and movie so much, but Hulk is about the least essential Avenger ever in the comics. True he was a founder, but he quit in in Avengers #2, 1963. He rejoined in Avengers Assemble, 2012, an editorial mandate because of the movie. That's 49 years he hasn't been an Avenger. Until now he never even served as an Avenger with Cap, or anyone outside of the original line up. He quit before Iron Man even started using red in his armor.
 
Hey, Hawkeye's one of my top 3 or 4 Marvel characters. But an A-lister he ain't, otherwise you have a pretty liberal grading scale ;) As for whether or not he's an essential Avenger to display, well, that's extremely subjective, and I wouldn't say that folks aren't "true fans" who don't have him on the shelf (though I will). I think Hulk is definitely NOT an essential Avenger, since he lasted less than 2 issues. I think the real "essential" Avengers are the other founders plus Cap. In my mind, Hawkeye is in that 2nd tier list with his other early teammates Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Vision, and to a lesser extent guys like Beast and Black Panther.

I don't even consider hulk an avenger
 
I do consider him an Avenger because he was a founding member, but definitely hard for me to think of him as a particularly important member beyond that fact. Sorta like saying Thunderbird is an essential X-Man.

If Wonder Man is on the same level as Hawkeye I think Black Panther belongs as well. To me he's an essential classic Avenger. He joined before well known members like Vision, Beast, She-Hulk, even before Black Widow. He's just been off and the team so frequently since the late 60s, whereas people like Thor or Iron Man seem to have longer stretches of absence.
Yeah, I guess I put Black Panther in a slightly different category because he is more independent in some ways--being king of Wakanda, leaving for long periods to do his own thing, etc.--whereas Wonder Man and Vision don't have a lot of Marvel history outside of their Avengers stuff. But I do think they're all up there in terms of being important Avengers.
 
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Print = fail exclusive.

Ant-man would have been a great Ex.

You're way smarter than whoever is behind Hawkeye's exclusive. Well unless it's a fellow with a relative from a printer company, then he's brilliant.

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Diamond Select, Fuzzy

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Wow that's one of my favorite comics ever. And yes if ant man was like this on the ex. I would have so bought this.
 
how can it be your favorite when you've never read it? :dunno :lol

I love the pictures, wasn't this the comic with the skull guy? And the sexy babe with the mask and two sticks as her weapons? I just look at the pics and see the action so I don't read comics. It takes too much time to sit there and read a entire comic. :rotfl
 
I saw that, good statue unfortunately it but won't match the scale of my other Avengers.

Huh? Is this smaller in scale than other PF? If then I might have to pass. I hate when the PF now shrink in size. When PF first came outbthey were huge in size. I mean look at PF vader, tusken raider and storm trooper. Just their heads is double the size of all these new PF these days.
 
you put Spidey, Hulk, or Wolverine up against anything else DC has and they beat it in terms of popularity and public identification IMO. And Marvel has more depth of reasonably well known characters, in part due to their success in cartoon and live action media. Move beyond the Justice League/Batman and his pals/rogues and who is random guy on the street gonna recognize from DC? With Marvel you've got the X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and Spidey, Hulk, and Punisher on top of that.

I think we can all agree the battle of brand recognition has been won by Marvel. Marvel has movies out there that exposes the name and general idea of their characters. Their depictions being an interpretation of their comics counterpart are besides the point. DC doesn't have that exposure with the masses so if you ask someone random who Captain Marvel, Black Canary or Plastic Man is and you will have may be a 20% chance they know who it is.

Now, how does all this translate to comic versions of statues in a collectible market for people that buy $350+ statues? The general public is not out there buying these comic based statues despite the vibe you get on forums. There is no reporter in Access Hollywood telling you about the latest Sideshow statues the same way when a new iphone comes out.

If the forum has proved anything is that people don't need to know who they are buying a statue of. If it looks good statue collectors will buy it.
 
Huh? Is this smaller in scale than other PF? If then I might have to pass. I hate when the PF now shrink in size. When PF first came outbthey were huge in size. I mean look at PF vader, tusken raider and storm trooper. Just their heads is double the size of all these new PF these days.

:stick He's not talking about the PF.:thwak
 
Huh? Is this smaller in scale than other PF? If then I might have to pass. I hate when the PF now shrink in size. When PF first came outbthey were huge in size. I mean look at PF vader, tusken raider and storm trooper. Just their heads is double the size of all these new PF these days.


What in the world are you talking about :slap
PFs have always been 1/4.
 
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