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After last night I feel like I should have read the first book before season 1 started. Then I would have seen this coming and how other things develop around it. I'm tempted to pick up the series cheap or check out the second book from a local library to see if I'll like where things go in season 2.

Well that, and the fact there is so much discussion about the show, show people are actually interested and want to know what happens.

When reading the books, i got alot of enjoyment at actually being angry about a certain thing happening, but then wanting to read more to see what happens and how it was resolved. It's good story telling.

I have to say i'm LOVING reading all the reaction and shock. This is what it was like for all the people who have read the books! Everyone was saying the same as the show viewers, but we all stuck with it and are very happy that we did!!
 
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Is the series going to follow the books or will it be like Dexter where season 1 followed the book but the season 2- present are independent of the books (and thank goodness. Dexter Darkly Dreaming was a good book, but the others are just hack jobs).
 
Is the series going to follow the books or will it be like Dexter where season 1 followed the book but the season 2- present are independent of the books (and thank goodness. Dexter Darkly Dreaming was a good book, but the others are just hack jobs).

Far as I can tell...the next season will be following book 2 closely as well. I can't imagine the series deviating away from the books drastically considering the author is heavily involved with it (he's scripting one of the episodes for season 2 right now) buuuuut then I could be wrong.

I just hope we get a season 3 when all is said and done though. Book 3 is where so much goes down that it makes ones head spin a bit, ha!
 
Yes, book/series 1 is mainly about Ned, but the other books are not. The story is more about his children.

Also, with the amount of characters in the story, can you realy expect ALL of them to be properly fleshed out so quickly? Characters get removed to make way for more information about other characters ;)
And the whole thing about being shocked that the story is set up for going one way but turns another.... that's called a twist. That's kind of the point. If people want to watch predictable rubbish where they know what's going to happen that's fine, but it has to be refreshing and healthy that there are some stories, like life, that don't go according to plan.

And yes, in terms of books, we have 4 out of 7. We're only about half way through.

And some characters don't stay dead ;)

Yes, I'm well aware that they can't flesh out everything to the 10th degree. I just don't think they did a good enough job overall make many of the other characters likeable enough. Drogo and Jon Snow are the only other two so far that I "feel" invested in. I'm fully aware of what a twist is and done/used right its a great tool. I'm sorry if I didn't care for the twist or felt it was used right. Just think there was a better way to do the twist and still stay true to the book for the most part maybe doing it at the start of season 2. Gives you the whole second season to get into what else is going on.

Well that, and the fact there is so much discussion about the show, show people are actually interested and want to know what happens.

When reading the books, i got alot of enjoyment at actually being angry about a certain thing happening, but then wanting to read more to see what happens and how it was resolved. It's called good story telling.

I admit I'm more curious as to whats gonna happen by them killing Ned. I had planned to read them but am more tempted now. So they succeeded in creating a a new reading.

I fully get good story telling. I like it myself its why I watch or read things over and over. Just felt like the show was selling me one thing and gave me another.
 
Well that's down to the marketing team in HBO i guess. The thing about the books is that each chapter is told from a certain characters viewpoint, we're inside their head, so no-one really stands out as a main character as we know alot more about the characters from the book than we can from the show.

Please, please read the books! They're so well written, and i'd love to read what you think as the books go on! There are so many exciting, and shocking things yet to come.
 
Yes, book/series 1 is mainly about Ned, but the other books are not. The story is more about his children.

Also, with the amount of characters in the story, can you realy expect ALL of them to be properly fleshed out so quickly? Characters get removed to make way for more information about other characters ;)
And the whole thing about being shocked that the story is set up for going one way but turns another.... that's called a twist. That's kind of the point. If people want to watch predictable rubbish where they know what's going to happen that's fine, but it has to be refreshing and healthy that there are some stories, like life, that don't go according to plan.

And yes, in terms of books, we have 4 out of 7. We're only about half way through.

And some characters don't stay dead ;)

I like that spoiler! You guys are making me want to read the books, but I don't think I could handle them.
 
Far as I can tell...the next season will be following book 2 closely as well. I can't imagine the series deviating away from the books drastically considering the author is heavily involved with it (he's scripting one of the episodes for season 2 right now) buuuuut then I could be wrong.

I just hope we get a season 3 when all is said and done though. Book 3 is where so much goes down that it makes ones head spin a bit, ha!

I shudder to think the reactions if the events from Book 3 ever make it onto the tv screen.:lol
 
i know i'm late to this party & really dont want to read too much of this thread for fear of possible spoilers but i just started watching this today on demand & am up to episode 6. all i can say right now is that this series freakin rocks.............it is so damn addicting im sure before the night is thru i will be caught up...........:yess:

ok, that is all for now til i finish all up to 10............:panic:
 
Spoilers *** ( Well I think, I haven't read any of the books and I don't know where everyone is in terms of watching or reading, but I'll just place this here to be on the safe side)

Personally, I am going to disagree. I don't think Ned Stark was particularly brave at the end. I think Stark was a mix of both high character and arrogance. That combination IMHO made him pretty tragic. I don't think Ned Stark was completely naive and completely incapable of playing the "game" of politics, I just don't think he wanted to do it. He had plenty of warning from all directions from multiple people, I think his arrogance prevented him from using the full skill he had or from truly learning what he needed to protect his family.

What about his sons, now thrust into war?

What about his daughters, did he really need someone to remind him, a seasoned soldier whose own father and brother were slaughtered by a mad king, that their lives were at stake too?

What about his men? All those guards and his nanny and the sword trainer ( who might still be alive...) and the 2000 men that Robb Stark sent to the slaughter as decoys and all the people at Winterfell?

IMHO, if Ned Stark really loved his family, he would have realized he was ill suited and said No to King Robert ( What was Robert going to do? Kill his best friend Ned? Ned to could say No regarding an assassination but not No to the job? ) Or if he loved his family, he would have capitulated much sooner. Again, his father and brother were killed while other men did nothing, it's not like he had zero idea of the possible consequences to family.

I think Ned Stark is a good and moral man, I also think he was extremely arrogant. What honor is there in having one daughter on the run, the other held hostage and teetering on death and his son leading an understrength military force with little experience along with his crippled son at home?

IMHO, one of the advantages to the TV series for those of us who did not read the book is the storylines are somewhat predictable in nature ( I enjoy GOT and think it's well made and well written and entertaining, but it's still a TV show, it requires set up and payoffs and basic use of "Chekov's Gun", i.e. things are introduced for a reason to help develop later characters or storylines or plot points) IMHO Ned Stark is like Vito Corleone from the Godfather, it requires his death to drive the story forward. ( Sadly, this sort of sets Robb up to be a bit of "Sonny Corleone" as well) Mufasa from The Lion King was also another example of a character that probably had to bite it to drive a story. Wasn't it obvious that Steven Seagal had to die in Executive Decision for the movie to push forward? ( What, it would taken him 55 minutes to storm the plane if he was able to get onto it?) Also something was going to happen to Drogo and the witch would have had to be prominent ( Otherwise why make it a point to introduce the witch character?) Also a health and committed Drogo would make it a short series. He'd invade otherwise and the show and books series would probably be over.

My guess on Jon Snow, based on the current set up, is he's part Tarygarean. Ned Stark's character construction is too rigid, too arrogant, too morally upright to cheat on his wife. He's like the less bright version of Lucious Vorenus from Rome. Why would he lie to his wife and kingdom and family for? Well it means Snow must be part Stark ( Ned tells him he has Stark blood, but that could mean many things and still be true) And it was evident that the Tarygarean children were slaughtered after the Mad King fell, so Ned Stark would have motive and reason to believe that anything other than deception would mean the death of Jon Snow as an infant. And Ned Stark has shown that he will surrender his "moral code" when a Stark child's life is in danger and he realizes it. ( Sometimes it appears it takes him quite some time to realize it)

My guesses on other things, based on my viewpoint of setup/payoff

- Tywin Lannister is going to have to eat it eventually to create breathing room for the Lannister children to develop, find other storylines. Clearly the massive conflict between his midget outcast son will be his undoing.

- Robb, IMHO, is as good as dead before the end of the series. I suspect the development of his jilted whore loving caddy/buddy ( Theon?) and the setup of his arranged marriage foreshadows it. ( In a world where alliances are brokered through marriage, that promise he made to cross a single river is going to bite him in the ass later)

- Dany obviously is going to hatch those three dragon eggs and rebuild herself an army to invade, just not very fast, otherwise the series would end pretty quickly ( As it appears the Mothraki are superior in military terms)

- Jon Snow will eventually take over the Nightwatch, with his "Samwise" as the heavy set facilitator/broker for his rule. In order to legitimize Snow, he's going to have to marry into a power base to be a formidable future character. My guess is Dany down the road.

- Joffery is not going away anytime soon. But in order for the series to continue, he can't stay on the throne forever, otherwise there is no battle for the throne to last seven books. He's gotta last long enough to encourage war with the surviving Baretheons and Starks. He's either going to discover his true father or he's not. A dead Joffrey creates no conflict for his midget uncle, his real father, Sansa and his mom to understand she didn't have the control over him that she thought. I suspect though when those conflicts are exhausted, then Joffrey is going to have to get his ticket punched. ( I sort of feel for the actor who plays him, Joffery is a really one dimensional character and they picked the most punchable teenage face they could find. I mean he even surpasses Bradley Cooper and Adam Scott for actors who have faces that just scream ********* that needs to get hit by a brick)

- Cat Stark is a dead woman walking IMHO. She was too foolish to either help or protect her husband ( Cersei might be a sociopath, but at least she doesn't make her situation worse, well besides let her brother wreck her in the pooper) and I suspect that's just enough to get you killed. She also drove away Jon Snow, the only person who seemed to have any potential for real military leadership and competence. If my guesses on Snow's paternity are true, then she's also guilty of not being able to read between the lines. Mike Corleones mother died for effect in Godfather Part II, I suspect Cat Stark will have to die the same way, to change some dynamic in her children's maturity.

I rather enjoy the fact that Ned Stark had to die and his family had to suffer. Not because I want to root for the creepiest kid on TV in Joffrey ( The kid's hair even has a certain ********* factor to it, it's that bad) , but I think it's good storytelling and honest to depict that "not playing" the game is still a choice in itself and that it has heavy repercussions. We are all unfortunately shaped in some way by our parent's successes and mistakes, and most conventional TV and movies like to wash that all away, but I'm glad GOT does not. Personally I don't think Ned Stark and his family deserve a "satisfying" revenge kill on Joffrey. IMHO, Ned is tragic because he didn't quite "get it" until the very end. That because he had a certain vision of how things should work, that others should feel and think and act that way as well. At some point, its not about character, it's just about pride. I'm glad Martin made Ned Stark fallible. You can't play the game just on your terms.

Emilia Clarke, wow, she's like Piper Perabo's super hot little sister who snuck back into line when they were handing out fabulous ta-tas during creation and got a second helping. I can't blame Drogo for wanting to mix his surfer girl a double protein shake.

IMHO, I think HBO legitimately tries to push this series to 70+ episodes if they can to profit from syndication and increased DVD sales. One advantage that this series does have based on it's revolving cast is they might be able to attract better quality actors for shorter stints on the show and hanging onto a core cast tends to become prohibitively expensive for most shows ( House, Greys Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Lost, lots of shows start to push the limits of their budgets because of core cast bloat) My guess is Snow, Dany, Arya and the midget Tyrion are the only current core long term characters ( The Snow and Dany actors don't seem well known, Dinklage is trapped into niche/novelty parts, and this is a goldmine for him and Arya over age will probably have to be replaced)

I would have had a lot more respect for Ned if he picked a side and stuck on it. If his honor meant that much to him, then he should have let his family die too. Or he should have surrendered everything if his family meant more than his pride and dignity.

IMHO, Cersei and Joffrey, despite being utter douchebags, didn't kill Ned, Ned in many ways killed himself.


ROFL! I applaud anyone who reads this. :clap:lol
 
Well that's down to the marketing team in HBO i guess. The thing about the books is that each chapter is told from a certain characters viewpoint, we're inside their head, so no-one really stands out as a main character as we know alot more about the characters from the book than we can from the show.

Please, please read the books! They're so well written, and i'd love to read what you think as the books go on! There are so many exciting, and shocking things yet to come.

Right, I do blame HBO a bit for marketing it that way but not a lot to do about it now. :lol Yeah, thats what I gathered reading a bit on the books.

I'll try to pick up the books soon and get started with them.
 
Far as I can tell...the next season will be following book 2 closely as well. I can't imagine the series deviating away from the books drastically considering the author is heavily involved with it (he's scripting one of the episodes for season 2 right now) buuuuut then I could be wrong.

I just hope we get a season 3 when all is said and done though. Book 3 is where so much goes down that it makes ones head spin a bit, ha!

Yes every season will follow the books closely like the first.Next season will be about A Clash of Kings. And boy do I hope they make it to book 3. A Storm of Swords is one of my favorite books and has some big shockers. oh man does it
 
How are the books after the initial 4 books? are they worth picking up too?
 
Spoilers *** ( Well I think, I haven't read any of the books and I don't know where everyone is in terms of watching or reading, but I'll just place this here to be on the safe side)

Personally, I am going to disagree. I don't think Ned Stark was particularly brave at the end. I think Stark was a mix of both high character and arrogance. That combination IMHO made him pretty tragic. I don't think Ned Stark was completely naive and completely incapable of playing the "game" of politics, I just don't think he wanted to do it. He had plenty of warning from all directions from multiple people, I think his arrogance prevented him from using the full skill he had or from truly learning what he needed to protect his family.

What about his sons, now thrust into war?

What about his daughters, did he really need someone to remind him, a seasoned soldier whose own father and brother were slaughtered by a mad king, that their lives were at stake too?

What about his men? All those guards and his nanny and the sword trainer ( who might still be alive...) and the 2000 men that Robb Stark sent to the slaughter as decoys and all the people at Winterfell?

IMHO, if Ned Stark really loved his family, he would have realized he was ill suited and said No to King Robert ( What was Robert going to do? Kill his best friend Ned? Ned to could say No regarding an assassination but not No to the job? ) Or if he loved his family, he would have capitulated much sooner. Again, his father and brother were killed while other men did nothing, it's not like he had zero idea of the possible consequences to family.

I think Ned Stark is a good and moral man, I also think he was extremely arrogant. What honor is there in having one daughter on the run, the other held hostage and teetering on death and his son leading an understrength military force with little experience along with his crippled son at home?

IMHO, one of the advantages to the TV series for those of us who did not read the book is the storylines are somewhat predictable in nature ( I enjoy GOT and think it's well made and well written and entertaining, but it's still a TV show, it requires set up and payoffs and basic use of "Chekov's Gun", i.e. things are introduced for a reason to help develop later characters or storylines or plot points) IMHO Ned Stark is like Vito Corleone from the Godfather, it requires his death to drive the story forward. ( Sadly, this sort of sets Robb up to be a bit of "Sonny Corleone" as well) Mufasa from The Lion King was also another example of a character that probably had to bite it to drive a story. Wasn't it obvious that Steven Seagal had to die in Executive Decision for the movie to push forward? ( What, it would taken him 55 minutes to storm the plane if he was able to get onto it?) Also something was going to happen to Drogo and the witch would have had to be prominent ( Otherwise why make it a point to introduce the witch character?) Also a health and committed Drogo would make it a short series. He'd invade otherwise and the show and books series would probably be over.

My guess on Jon Snow, based on the current set up, is he's part Tarygarean. Ned Stark's character construction is too rigid, too arrogant, too morally upright to cheat on his wife. He's like the less bright version of Lucious Vorenus from Rome. Why would he lie to his wife and kingdom and family for? Well it means Snow must be part Stark ( Ned tells him he has Stark blood, but that could mean many things and still be true) And it was evident that the Tarygarean children were slaughtered after the Mad King fell, so Ned Stark would have motive and reason to believe that anything other than deception would mean the death of Jon Snow as an infant. And Ned Stark has shown that he will surrender his "moral code" when a Stark child's life is in danger and he realizes it. ( Sometimes it appears it takes him quite some time to realize it)

My guesses on other things, based on my viewpoint of setup/payoff

- Tywin Lannister is going to have to eat it eventually to create breathing room for the Lannister children to develop, find other storylines. Clearly the massive conflict between his midget outcast son will be his undoing.

- Robb, IMHO, is as good as dead before the end of the series. I suspect the development of his jilted whore loving caddy/buddy ( Theon?) and the setup of his arranged marriage foreshadows it. ( In a world where alliances are brokered through marriage, that promise he made to cross a single river is going to bite him in the ass later)

- Dany obviously is going to hatch those three dragon eggs and rebuild herself an army to invade, just not very fast, otherwise the series would end pretty quickly ( As it appears the Mothraki are superior in military terms)

- Jon Snow will eventually take over the Nightwatch, with his "Samwise" as the heavy set facilitator/broker for his rule. In order to legitimize Snow, he's going to have to marry into a power base to be a formidable future character. My guess is Dany down the road.

- Joffery is not going away anytime soon. But in order for the series to continue, he can't stay on the throne forever, otherwise there is no battle for the throne to last seven books. He's gotta last long enough to encourage war with the surviving Baretheons and Starks. He's either going to discover his true father or he's not. A dead Joffrey creates no conflict for his midget uncle, his real father, Sansa and his mom to understand she didn't have the control over him that she thought. I suspect though when those conflicts are exhausted, then Joffrey is going to have to get his ticket punched. ( I sort of feel for the actor who plays him, Joffery is a really one dimensional character and they picked the most punchable teenage face they could find. I mean he even surpasses Bradley Cooper and Adam Scott for actors who have faces that just scream ********* that needs to get hit by a brick)

- Cat Stark is a dead woman walking IMHO. She was too foolish to either help or protect her husband ( Cersei might be a sociopath, but at least she doesn't make her situation worse, well besides let her brother wreck her in the pooper) and I suspect that's just enough to get you killed. She also drove away Jon Snow, the only person who seemed to have any potential for real military leadership and competence. If my guesses on Snow's paternity are true, then she's also guilty of not being able to read between the lines. Mike Corleones mother died for effect in Godfather Part II, I suspect Cat Stark will have to die the same way, to change some dynamic in her children's maturity.

I rather enjoy the fact that Ned Stark had to die and his family had to suffer. Not because I want to root for the creepiest kid on TV in Joffrey ( The kid's hair even has a certain ********* factor to it, it's that bad) , but I think it's good storytelling and honest to depict that "not playing" the game is still a choice in itself and that it has heavy repercussions. We are all unfortunately shaped in some way by our parent's successes and mistakes, and most conventional TV and movies like to wash that all away, but I'm glad GOT does not. Personally I don't think Ned Stark and his family deserve a "satisfying" revenge kill on Joffrey. IMHO, Ned is tragic because he didn't quite "get it" until the very end. That because he had a certain vision of how things should work, that others should feel and think and act that way as well. At some point, its not about character, it's just about pride. I'm glad Martin made Ned Stark fallible. You can't play the game just on your terms.

Emilia Clarke, wow, she's like Piper Perabo's super hot little sister who snuck back into line when they were handing out fabulous ta-tas during creation and got a second helping. I can't blame Drogo for wanting to mix his surfer girl a double protein shake.

IMHO, I think HBO legitimately tries to push this series to 70+ episodes if they can to profit from syndication and increased DVD sales. One advantage that this series does have based on it's revolving cast is they might be able to attract better quality actors for shorter stints on the show and hanging onto a core cast tends to become prohibitively expensive for most shows ( House, Greys Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Lost, lots of shows start to push the limits of their budgets because of core cast bloat) My guess is Snow, Dany, Arya and the midget Tyrion are the only current core long term characters ( The Snow and Dany actors don't seem well known, Dinklage is trapped into niche/novelty parts, and this is a goldmine for him and Arya over age will probably have to be replaced)

I would have had a lot more respect for Ned if he picked a side and stuck on it. If his honor meant that much to him, then he should have let his family die too. Or he should have surrendered everything if his family meant more than his pride and dignity.

IMHO, Cersei and Joffrey, despite being utter douchebags, didn't kill Ned, Ned in many ways killed himself.

Way too many words. Ned Stark arrogant? Nope didnt get that from the book or the series. A little too honorable for his own good but he always tried to do what was right.
 
How are the books after the initial 4 books? are they worth picking up too?


The fifth is coming out in July after almost 6 yrs I believe(or maybe 5) . If your gonna get into the books beware that it takes GRRM a long time between books and its painful to wait. So long in fact that there is a website called Finish the Book George. I loved the first 3 but the 4th falters and a lot of people would agree with me. I dont wanna ruin it for you so I wont say anything about it. But this new book is supposed to get back to things that have been left at a cliffhanger since the 3rd book. I cant tell you how excited I am. Its been yrs since Ive seen some of my favorite characters. Tyrion is my favorite character in the book but not in hte series. In that Im a bit disappointed. I dont think Dinklage is a bad actor its just something about the scenes they have chosen for him,the scenes they left out and his delivery.:dunno Check out the books though its worth it.
 
The fifth is coming out in July after almost 6 yrs I believe(or maybe 5) . If your gonna get into the books beware that it takes GRRM a long time between books and its painful to wait. So long in fact that there is a website called Finish the Book George. I loved the first 3 but the 4th falters and a lot of people would agree with me. I dont wanna ruin it for you so I wont say anything about it. But this new book is supposed to get back to things that have been left at a cliffhanger since the 3rd book. I cant tell you how excited I am. Its been yrs since Ive seen some of my favorite characters. Tyrion is my favorite character in the book but not in hte series. In that Im a bit disappointed. I dont think Dinklage is a bad actor its just something about the scenes they have chosen for him,the scenes they left out and his delivery.:dunno Check out the books though its worth it.

Book 4 was really a split book as it was becoming too long, so Martin made the decision to cut it up and only focus on certain characters. Book 5, for all intensive purposes, will be the rest of book 4 that was cut (for the most part). This is one reason book 4 wasn't received as well...though I personally enjoyed it because it had focus on some of my favorite characters.

'Feast of Crows' was published in 2005, so yeah...it's been a long wait. 'Game of Thrones' was published in 1996 I believe. With two more books to come it's going to be a very long journey until we finally get to see (or rather read) how this series will all turn out.
 
oh wow, i had no idea that this was still an ongoing story yet to be told... when i was shopping for my 4 book set i came across something about book 5-7 so i just assumed they were already out.

With what you are saying, sounds like book 5 will be really marketed well due to the series and people now catching on to this story.
 
Pretty much. That's why I've only read the first book and I'll probably start reading again next month. I just hate waiting for sequels to come out. :lol

I'm actually worried that Martin won't be able to finish the series at all, since 1. he takes too damn long and 2. I'm worried about his health. If you look at his pictures, he's not getting any younger or thinner.:lol
 
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