Heroes- Now with spoilers!

[Mookeylama]

yeesh, it's becoming convoluted but i love it. i missed a few minutes, how did they play off Clair being saved and alive in the future yet Sylar still had her power and blew up New York? did she just like appear in the future after everyone thinking her dead? did she have knowledge of events from her "death" to the time of last episode?

 

[user 1190]

yeesh, it's becoming convoluted but i love it. i missed a few minutes, how did they play off Clair being saved and alive in the future yet Sylar still had her power and blew up New York? did she just like appear in the future after everyone thinking her dead? did she have knowledge of events from her "death" to the time of last episode?

Sylar doesnt have her powers. He was still trying to get them in the future.

 

[Memnoch]

Everyone please note:

Sylar did not explode. It was Peter. He said so to Nikki. That was why he was obsessed with changing the past at one point. Syler used Peter exploding to (as Nathan) become president.

 

[Agent0028]

And the future hadn't changed because Hiro hadn't killed Sylar yet.

 

[user 1190]

Syler used Peter exploding to (as Nathan) become president.

Are you sure , I am not sure that Sylar was Nathan at that point but he dd take over Nathan at some point.

 

[Memnoch]

I definatly think Sylar managed to become Nathan before he was president. It makes more sense as its a betrayal to Mohinder AND would make sense for the anti Hero acts he passed because it would then make Sylar the most special person in the world. A Hero as the leader of the free world.

 

[user 1190]

I definatly think Sylar managed to become Nathan before he was president. It makes more sense as its a betrayal to Mohinder AND would make sense for the anti Hero acts he passed because it would then make Sylar the most special person in the world. A Hero as the leader of the free world.

Yeah I know he did it at some point, but I have a feeling that it happened sometime after Nathan became President.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Are you sure , I am not sure that Sylar was Nathan at that point but he dd take over Nathan at some point.

No, I think Sylar killed Nathan after he became president. Remember what he said:

Your brother had already started turning against his own kind

Or something like that. The country thought Sylar blew up, but Peter did, so Nathan started to act the script from X3. I thought it was interesting that "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" was wrong. Poor Hiro, he has it backwards. Wonder if there will another cool catchphrase to come about.

 

[user 1190]

Thats right he did say that.

 

[Agent0028]

It's still saving the world because it makes it possible for Sylar to be eliminated and preventing (in theory at least) such a dark future. I think Peter blowing up is a seperate issue that we'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[user 1190]

It's still saving the world because it makes it possible for Sylar to be eliminated and preventing (in theory at least) such a dark future. I think Peter blowing up is a seperate issue that we'll have to see how it plays out.

Well as far as Hiro knows Sylar blew up so by killing him they stop the bomb. Unless Peter told him otherwise.

 

[Agent0028]

Oh, I follow now, sorry. Brain must not be working, pissed I'm sitting at home instead of a Spider-Man 3 showing.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Well as far as Hiro knows Sylar blew up so by killing him they stop the bomb. Unless Peter told him otherwise.

It's still saving the world because it makes it possible for Sylar to be eliminated and preventing (in theory at least) such a dark future. I think Peter blowing up is a seperate issue that we'll have to see how it plays out.

No, it's not still saving the world, it's saving just Claire. Hiro thought that saving Claire would make Sylar killable and thus stopp the bomb. But since Sylar didn't blow up New York, that means that saving Claire and making Sylar killable had nothing to do with saving New York. If Hiro was really on his game, he would have just killed Peter on the subway. **POO***** No big bomb, assumming that Hiro didn't change the future by goign back in time or by telling Peter to save Claire. Love this time paradox stuff, my head hurts. while Sylar is a baddie, he had nothing to do with the bomb (that we know of). If he did have a part in the bombinb, then yes, stopping him would stop the bomb. But the way things look, he doesn't have much to do with the bobm exploding, that's all Peter.

Oh, I follow now, sorry. Brain must not be working, pissed I'm sitting at home instead of a Spider-Man 3 showing.

Serious, I had like 3 midterms this week and can't find time untill sunday to see it.

 

[Agent0028]

After the flashback episode I take saving the world to mean stopping Sylar from becoming president and making such a bleak world. On the other hand Hiro does want to stop the bomb as and doesn't know it wasn't Sylar who 'sploded so maybe he did mean stop the bomb by save the world. I just keep thinking about what Linderman said about New York only being .8% of the population or something so stopping the bomb doesn't equate saving the world. But heck, who knows what the producers are thinking, or what Hiro is thinking, etc.

On a side note, I think being on here makes the show so much cooler. It's a great show, but I love coming on here and talking about theories and trying to figure things out n' stuff.

Conger: Sorry to hear about your midterms. Glad to see you have your priorities straight. I went to see TPM at midnight when I had finals starting at 8 the next morning. I didn't fail, but lets just say it dropped my grade considerably.

 

[user 1190]

I know they keep the plot open ended. I never watched Lost but from what I had heard it was very much like this in the begining. And since the head writer was a writer for Lost the first season it makes sense.

I still think most everyone thinks Sylar was the bomb, except maybe Nikki, and I am not sure she knew until last night, and Nathan and well its seems Nathan is dead.

The thing is tried to kill Sylar and he stayed alive and so he decided he needed to save Clair to keep Sylar from getting her power. Hiro didnt know that she was saved until last night it seems, and now Hiro wants the past self to go back and do what he failed to do the first time.

And yes Heroes is making my brain hurt too

 

[Radagaster]

Ok, here's what doesn't make sense and how I understand things:
1) Future Hiro only knew to have Peter save Claire because he said it's what prevented Sylar from being invulnerable. And he was under the impression it was Sylar who exploded.
2) Peter's always had dreams that he's the one who exploded. But I don't understand why Future Hiro did not get that notion by talking to future Peter.
3) If Sylar was the one who supposedly exploded, but it turns out that Sylar's still alive, then who set off the bomb in NY???
4) We know at some point Sylar sucked the brain of the painter, and probably predicted the future by drawing his picture as the president. Why couldn't he predict where Claire was all this time?
5) Future Hiro alluded to needing to kill Sylar which is what he told present-day Hiro to do, right? The images from next week's episode seem to allude to that.
6) If Peter can absorb Claire's power, it doesn't make sense that he has a nasty scar.

Ok, now my head hurts.

 

[user 1190]

Ok, here's what doesn't make sense and how I understand things:
1) Future Hiro only knew to have Peter save Claire because he said it's what prevented Sylar from being invulnerable. And he was under the impression it was Sylar who exploded.

Yes Hiro thinks its was Sylar that blew up and after he tried to kill him he didnt die since Sylar had taken Claires power.

2) Peter's always had dreams that he's the one who exploded. But I don't understand why Future Hiro did not get that notion by talking to future Peter.

Peter is not telling anyone it think and Nathan told the world it was Sylar.

3) If Sylar was the one who supposedly exploded, but it turns out that Sylar's still alive, then who set off the bomb in NY???

Peter exploded and Nathan blamed it on Sylar then Sylar took Nathans place.

4) We know at some point Sylar sucked the brain of the painter, and probably predicted the future by drawing his picture as the president. Why couldn't he predict where Claire was all this time?

I dont think they can look at anything they want only what comes to them.

5) Future Hiro alluded to needing to kill Sylar which is what he told present-day Hiro to do, right? The images from next week's episode seem to allude to that.

Yes we should see Hiro and Sylar battle next week.

6) If Peter can absorb Claire's power, it doesn't make sense that he has a nasty scar.

but maybe blowing up is a lil handed to heal from.

 

[Agent0028]

I'm almost certain that Peter got his wound while in the presence of the Haitian and so it didn't heal.

As for the other points...

 

[Memnoch]

I think part of this is that something may have been cut for time. Let's look at it this way:

Earlier in the season Future Hiro (from here called FH) came from his time, future A (FA here out) and told Present Hiro (PH) to save Claire. In FA, FH did NOT save Claire, therefore she died letting Sylar have her power. Unknown after this point.

Now because PH had Peter save Claire we are presented with an alternate line Future B. In this line PH saves Claire (through Peter), but now it would seem that Peter is the one that blows up, for reasons unknown. That is what we saw in the 5 years later episode.

So it would seem that the future is in motion for everyone BUT Hiro who will remember the changes to the time line. Without the episode infront of me I can't delve in any deeper but I think that may help explain a little bit.

 

[Vader AL]

maybe sylar impersonated him, like he did his brother the future president, and then exploded while he was still impersonating him so that's why he sees "himself" in his dreams....but in fact it isn't him, it's sylar.