Heroes- Now with spoilers!

[316what]

If NBC wants to improve the ratings, then they need to find a better time slot. MNF is going to kill the ratings every single week.

It took Fox forever to figure this out with 24...and now it starts in January.

 

[darthviper107]

Really wish there was an episode this week, I hate it when a show skips a week.

In any case, really what they need to do is make a goal for their story. The whole first season was about stopping the bomb, and you knew that early on so you knew where it was going and everything was leading up to that, for these last two seasons they're just kind of making up the story as they go and they don't seem to have a plan.

It's still entertaining for me though and I'll keep watching it as long as they keep making episodes. But it all depends on ratings so they better get things together.

 

[Agent0028]

I'm re-watching season 1 and it's awesome...
I don't understand how they can screw up such amazing set-up and characters...
this season makes look season 2 as a jewel...
I'm sick of how characters change their minds and alliances like 2-3 times each episode, go back and forth with their convictions and really... nothing major has happened...
just filler crap...
and I hate how Sylar is such a sissy now...
what have they done!!!

I've been rewatching season 1 as well and I personally feel that this season has been as interesting as that one. I'm looking forward to rewatching 2 to see how I like it on the second viewing.

 

[Kuzeh]

I've been rewatching season 1 as well and I personally feel that this season has been as interesting as that one. I'm looking forward to rewatching 2 to see how I like it on the second viewing.

Really?
I rewatched season 2 before season 3 started and found it fairly interesting, but this one, they're cramming too much stuff together in one episodes and making the characters weak as hell conviction-wise...
they don't have a real motivation anymore IMO...

 

[Hulksmashed]

Really?
I rewatched season 2 before season 3 started and found it fairly interesting, but this one, they're cramming too much stuff together in one episodes and making the characters weak as hell conviction-wise...
they don't have a real motivation anymore IMO...

I agree 100%. It seems now like the characters are driven by the plot that the writers have planned out. If the show was well written the plot would be driven by the personalities and ideologies of the characters.

It's as if everything that the writers make the Heroes do is prefaced by..."hmm..what would be the easiest way to push the plot forward?" And if that goes against a characters persona....just change the characters persona.

 

[Agent0028]

Well I'll be the first one to admit that I'm not one to pay alot of attention to character motivations and such, I'm just judging by entertainment. I'm going to have to start trying to pay more attention to some of that stuff so I can see what y'all are talking about. One instance I did notice that to be the case was with Claire going to whatstheplace, that seemed contrived to just get her there to save Peter.

 

[Hulksmashed]

Well I'll be the first one to admit that I'm not one to pay alot of attention to character motivations and such, I'm just judging by entertainment. I'm going to have to start trying to pay more attention to some of that stuff so I can see what y'all are talking about. One instance I did notice that to be the case was with Claire going to whatstheplace, that seemed contrived to just get her there to save Peter.

I think the show is still entertaining, which is why I watch it. Its just not my all time favorite show.

And yeah you are right. Claire taking off to Pinehurst made NO sense! She is the most distrusting person ever and with good reason! Her real father abandoned her a few times, her real mother turned her back to her, and her adopted father was part of a company that tried to get thier hands on her to cut her apart like a lab rat!

It just doesnt make sense for a teenage girl with SEVERE trust issues to just hop on a plane with a known enemy to seek help from a mysterious organization that just recently popped up and is targeting Heroes!

 

[The Mike]

Her desire to be "normal" trumps her common sense. She even said that Elle was a means to an end. She was only interested is removing her power which the quest for being normal was her thing even back in S1. When someone wants something that bad they throw caution to the wind to go after it, her going after Pinehurst when there was just a chance shows not only the ignorance of her youth but also her impulsivity.

 

[Agent0028]

I can see and understand why she went, it just didn't feel like it came about naturally in the show. She could have gone alone as soon as she got the card (how did she get the card anyway? I can't remember) instead of waiting for Elle to show up wanting to go.

Also I might nitpick with your explanation just a little in that I don't think she still has the desire to be normal, she seems to have accepted her ability by the end of season 1. I think her thing now is that she's scared about not feeling pain. But maybe that's what you meant and I'm missing the forest for the trees.

 

[The Mike]

Elle is the one who gave Claire the card. As for her wanting to be normal, she accepted her abilities in Season 1, gave them a push for a limit in Season 2 and in Season 3 when she surpassed this limit to the point of not feeling pain now she wants it gone. She is spooked and jumped at the chance to go to Pinehurst because they can "remove" abilities. She did come to terms but now that she is in unchartered territory she wants them gone which is usually the extreme spastic behavior displayed by teenagers who jump to those extremes so I'm okay with it.

 

[Hulksmashed]

Elle is the one who gave Claire the card. As for her wanting to be normal, she accepted her abilities in Season 1, gave them a push for a limit in Season 2 and in Season 3 when she surpassed this limit to the point of not feeling pain now she wants it gone. She is spooked and jumped at the chance to go to Pinehurst because they can "remove" abilities. She did come to terms but now that she is in unchartered territory she wants them gone which is usually the extreme spastic behavior displayed by teenagers who jump to those extremes so I'm okay with it.

Eh...maybe. I just can't buy the "Im full of teenage angst and so I do stupid things because of my raging harmones" excuse.

Also, Nathan patrelli isnt a teenager and he does really stupid stuff too! "Im going to see my father". Your brother just told you that your FATHER threw you out a window and stole your ability. The Peter/Nathan dynamic of Nathan assuming his little brother is just crazy gets old after awhile!

Or what about Suresh? Does crazy crazy things, turns into an animal and then all of the sudden he is in complete controll of himself. And in season 1, ALL of the heroes go up against Sylar and fail to kill him AND have trouble beating him at all...and now Suresh can just jump on him and take him down?

 

[EVILFACE]

That is what irks me about the show, everyone that has superpowers do the dumbest things.

Maybe Papa Patrelli does need to take every single one of their powers . . .

 

[Agent0028]

Nathan going to see his dad is stupid, but I don't think it is unrealistically stupid. At least without knowing why he's going to or what he plans to do when he gets there. Once we know that I may agree its unrealistically stupid.

 

[IrishJedi]

Actually, Nathan wanting to go visit their father may not necessarily be dumb. Remember, next week's episode is a flashback that takes place before Season 1 and sets up the dynamic of their relationship. There may very well be a reveal and a reason why Nathan is steadfast set on seeing him when he hears that he's alive.

 

[IrishJedi]

BTW, huge shake-up happened over the weekend:

Co Exec-Producers/Writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander were fired by NBC. Part of it is because of the creative differences in the direction of the show, but mostly because cost overruns were causing each episode's budget to balloon past the $4 million per they were set at.

Word is that Bryan Fuller (who was involved with Season 1) may be joining soon as the new creative point-man under Kring, but that might depend on whether or not his "Pushing Daisies" is dropped by ABC.

In any case, it's obvious that NBC is aware of the declining appeal of the show and they're not gonna mess around in trying to revive it.

 

[Natrix]

BTW, huge shake-up happened over the weekend:

Co Exec-Producers/Writers Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander were fired by NBC. Part of it is because of the creative differences in the direction of the show, but mostly because cost overruns were causing each episode's budget to balloon past the $4 million per they were set at.

Word is that Bryan Fuller (who was involved with Season 1) may be joining soon as the new creative point-man under Kring, but that might depend on whether or not his "Pushing Daisies" is dropped by ABC.

In any case, it's obvious that NBC is aware of the declining appeal of the show and they're not gonna mess around in trying to revive it.

I posted that on Monday...where were you??

 

[darthviper107]

That's good I think.

$4 million is a lot per epiode anyways. Really they should reduce the cast because there's too many people. Then slow down with the plot and spend more time with the characters and extend each scene, this would make it better and lower costs since they wouldn't have to film in so many places with so many characters.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Boy, they're trying their damndest to make Sylar a sympathetic character. I rolled my eyes so hard at that hanging scene they did a complete 360.

 

[Darklord Dave]

It's like HRG and Sylar switched places. I guess HRG was a hard-ass back then, but he's been inconsistant in his characterization throughout. I did like making Elle more sympathetic though.

I hope they'll explain why Linderman didn't heal Arthur.

And the eclipse - are they finally going to explain what triggered the powers manifestation in this generation?

 

[Hulksmashed]

It's like HRG and Sylar switched places. I guess HRG was a hard-ass back then, but he's been inconsistant in his characterization throughout. I did like making Elle more sympathetic though.

I hope they'll explain why Linderman didn't heal Arthur.

And the eclipse - are they finally going to explain what triggered the powers manifestation in this generation?

Heroes is defined by inconsistent characterization.

I would assume that Linderman has feelings for Mrs. Petrelli and couldnt stand seeing her treated that way (and Im sure he had a bigger picture in mind, with a bigger piece of the pie). Seems Arthur always pulled the strings, and sometimes the puppet wants a little freedom.

It would be my guess that in the beginning the eclipse was an explaination for the powers without any real depth. Now they are trying to tie all things together so have to come up with an excuse. Thats my biggest issue right now. Its obvious that they didnt have all of this in mind from the beginning and are retconing all of the old stories to add fluidity. Unfortunately if fluidity is forced later it tends to suck.