Hot Toys – MMS183 The Dark Knight Rises Bane Figure

[Gipetto0812]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Well, I'm fine with the movie as is so I don't feel that there's much they should have done instead. I will say I'm surprised they didn't really explain Bane's mask. All the technical aspects of Batman's arsenal were explained to death in all three films so I would have thought there would have been an explanation for Bane's mask. I guess they thought less was more, though.

It supplies him with an anesthetic. Not to be snarky (really, just a question here) but what more did you need?

I realize that came off with an attitude, please don't think I had one, I am honestly asking what more was required. He was in constant pain due to the morphine addicted haphazard work of the prison doctor. The mask is a means "to keep the pain at bay."

Agreed.

However, there was a more brutal scene of Bane getting tortured that really showed why he wore the mask and why he has a scar on his back but it was cut for being too brutal for a PG-13 rating. I believe there was also a "First version" of the mask that was supposed to be shown that the doctor made before the one he wore for most of the film

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

To me, and this is just my opinion, Nolan used this move to complete the circle. The first movie was Bruce Wayne finding himself, finding his purpose and that comprised of his journey with the League of Shadows and betraying them for Gotham.

The second movie focused mainly on Gotham and escalation (much like Gordon's speech at the end of the first film). The mob turned to the Joker, the Joker ruined the brightest symbol of hope Gotham had in Dent, and Batman because the hero the city deserved. It was more about Gotham and it's influence on it's citizens than anything else.

The third movie brought the focus back onto Bruce's journey. His exile, his dilapidated state which all leads to Bane breaking him as revenge from the events in Batman Begins. It wasn't a story for Bane and Talia (like how The Dark Knight was more for Joker, Dent and Gotham) it was for Bruce's journey coming to an end.

I agree that Nolan was thinking of something other than Batman vs Bane when he wrote the story. I want to say he got "sidetracked" but I know this is not true. He definitely made the movie he wanted to make, but I just look at Bane's character and I feel like he was wasted.

As an amateur mma champion, I can tell you that someone who doesn't feel pain would be a nightmare opponent. What if he didn't feel fatigue either? A large part of beating someone is changing their mind about whether they can win. Fatigue and pain both do this. To show that effect would have been really something. Instead, it just showed Bane letting Batman punch him...did anyone really think that was cool? I might be wrong but that's a really cliche thing for the tough guy right?

The other thing is the strength issue. As a wrestling coach, I've witnessed retard strength. The kids just don't let go. That makes them freakishly strong. So if Bane didn't feel the pain or the fatigue, he's a monster. So Batman has to compensate for that. He has to adjust to the level of strength he's dealing with and that's a steep learning curve. They sort of touched on it with that line "Victory has defeated you." And it's good that Batman lost, because he should have. The first fight isn't bad, even though the catwalk part is soooo fake, but I wish more of this stuff was evident in the fighting.

But the second fight just suuuuuuucked. Batman should have had to find creative ways to cut the pipe. Basically they did their sloppy boxing and grunting and then batman hit the pipe. Then Bane should have felt the pain, which would have paralyzed him if he wasn't used to it. And even if he was, he should slow down, which they made him do. But where was the fear?? If someone winds up a punch and breaks your nose, the next time he winds up you get scared. Where was Bane's fear? And then think of how menacing Batman could've been made to appear then. Ahh I guess it's just a missed opportunity.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

It supplies him with an anesthetic. Not to be snarky (really, just a question here) but what more did you need?

I realize that came off with an attitude, please don't think I had one, I am honestly asking what more was required. He was in constant pain due to the morphine addicted haphazard work of the prison doctor. The mask is a means "to keep the pain at bay."

Don't worry no offense taken. I'd be interested in the wrist guard, and the vest, and the scars. I mean maybe they were nothing but at this point he has all this specific clothing and we know there is a story but they didn't tell it. Bums me out. Personally I would trade all that for the bomb stuff

 

[Chuck72586]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

It supplies him with an anesthetic. Not to be snarky (really, just a question here) but what more did you need?

I realize that came off with an attitude, please don't think I had one, I am honestly asking what more was required. He was in constant pain due to the morphine addicted haphazard work of the prison doctor. The mask is a means "to keep the pain at bay."

I don't think it was absolutely necessary to explain and I'm fine not knowing, but I thought it would have more of an explanation given how much detail and other explanation went into the technical aspects of Batman's arsenal. But I suppose it's consistant with the Joker where there's little backstory and much of his background is a mystery.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I've witnessed retard strength.

Um... I could go in a million directions here.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Um... I could go in a million directions here.

It's a real thing man. The head coach is a special ed teacher. Everyone once in a while we get some "special" kids on the team. There's one on the team right now who refuses to learn any moves but he nearly surprised a returning state qualifier with his weird *** strength. He got pinned, but still, the looks on the other team's coaches were priceless. I know its not really called retard strength but its just what I call it. Actually in the room we call it "mat strength" which really means strength you can't get in a weight room. Have you ever seen a guy hold on to something so hard that his arms were trembling? It happens on my team with those "special kids." Most people just release eventually but not those guys. So it makes them seem "stronger."

Anyway my point was that the same kind of same strength could be applied to Bane who shouldn't have felt the fatigue/pain. Which makes him a much more dangerous dude. I wish they played that up though

 

[Lee in MI]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I wanted the mask to deliver some type of aerosol/weaponized steroid. That would have tied back better to the comic version of Bane and been a basis of why his brute strength was so formidable. Then he could have been on venom without them actually calling it venom.

Just a little cookie for the fans and it would have strengthened the take down scene IMHO.

The whole plot device of Bruce is old...retired...with a busted knee just didn't work for me. His transition back into the swing of things was just too quick from me.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I want bane dx. He rocked in the movie.

 

[Tortfeazor]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Well, I'm fine with the movie as is so I don't feel that there's much they should have done instead. I will say I'm surprised they didn't really explain Bane's mask. All the technical aspects of Batman's arsenal were explained to death in all three films so I would have thought there would have been an explanation for Bane's mask. I guess they thought less was more, though.

It supplies him with an anesthetic. Not to be snarky (really, just a question here) but what more did you need?

I realize that came off with an attitude, please don't think I had one, I am honestly asking what more was required. He was in constant pain due to the morphine addicted haphazard work of the prison doctor. The mask is a means "to keep the pain at bay."

When I first saw Bane revealed I was very curious regarding the very prominent scar on his back . . . I was really hoping to see or at least be told what that was from. I initially figured he'd have some sort of pump that was wired up his back leading to the mask, or the mask/anesthetic would be wired directly into his spine epidural-style . . . but such was not the case and it's just kind of there. I just thought the explanation that was given was the least amount of explanation they could possibly provide, almost like they realized they'd forgotten to explain anything and threw it in at the last minute.

Anyway . . . this figure, as I've watched the movie more and more, has really grown on me despite the nose/mask weirdness . . . I wish there weren't so damn many good figures coming out at the same time. After the first quarter of 2013 I think the only thing I can possibly imagine looking forward to is a Cavill Supes

 

[ronri]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

When I first saw Bane revealed I was very curious regarding the very prominent scar on his back . . . I was really hoping to see or at least be told what that was from. I initially figured he'd have some sort of pump that was wired up his back leading to the mask, or the mask/anesthetic would be wired directly into his spine epidural-style . . . but such was not the case and it's just kind of there. I just thought the explanation that was given was the least amount of explanation they could possibly provide, almost like they realized they'd forgotten to explain anything and threw it in at the last minute.

According to the production crew, Bane's scar was the result of the poor treatment by the doctor on his spine injury (since supposedly his injuries extended beyond his face). Apparently it's the reason why he wears the large brace around his waist, sort of as a body crutch keeping his spinal muscles in proper alignment (or at least something like that). Another trivia they mentioned was how Bane's intelligence extended beyond tactical planning, as even his military vest was crafted by him by and him alone. It's such a shame that details like those were left out from the movie, as I felt that it really would've enhanced Bane's presence in the film. Don't even get me started on the deleted scenes that elaborated on his backstory.

The entire debate over which is more of a villain for Batman of Bane versus the Joker is irrational. They're different threats.

Joker is an agent of chaos. No real rhyme or reason "I just do...things..."

Bane is completely the opposite. He is a tactician, every move is carefully calculated with redundancies for his redundancy. He has the exact training that Batman does and therefore can think like he does "Theatricality and deception are powerful agents to the uninitiated... but we are initiated, aren't we Bruce? Member of the League of Shadows."

They're opposite and pose different threats. For those saying "pssh, Bane... whatever." Well consider this... he accomplished what Joker never did.

I wouldn't rule out the Joker just yet. Not so much in disagreement with you, but I thought I'd add to the discussion:

Bane and Joker are different threats. Joker's goal was based on him proving a moralistic point. He wasn't just a loose cannon, and that's part of the character's deception, in that he tried to fool the people that he wasn't at fault due to his "craziness". He wanted to watch the whole world burn as people lost themselves, and that was the point he was trying to prove. It's definitely something that's frightening and because Joker's goal is more of an idea, his tactics tended to be more theatrical and psychological in their execution. Nolan had described Ra's Al Ghul as more of the antagonist with religious ideals, whereas Joker is more of the anti-system foe.

Now on the other hand, Hardy once described Bane's relationship to the criminals in that "some people want to watch the world burn, well Bane is here to pull the pin on the grenade". Unlike Joker, his goals were more absolute. Admittedly this makes his schemes more direct and less theatrical, as he tends to go for the direct source. He took over Gotham under the false pretense of liberation when in fact he established a dictatorship (with plans of killing everyone) for one reason: to torment Bruce Wayne. In contrast to the other two villains, Nolan described Bane's character as more militaristic, in that it combines both ideological and religious notions. He didn't need to prove a point about the city (like Joker), and as such he didn't need any moralistic justification since he recognizes himself as actually being "evil" (unlike Ra's Al Ghul). He wasn't acting like the judge, more than anything he was the sadistic executioner.

Their goals and depiction were most definitely different but both villains were absolutely brilliant in representing what they stood for.

EDIT: Sorry for the walls of text.

 

[eczamurai]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I agree that Nolan was thinking of something other than Batman vs Bane when he wrote the story. I want to say he got "sidetracked" but I know this is not true. He definitely made the movie he wanted to make, but I just look at Bane's character and I feel like he was wasted.

As an amateur mma champion, I can tell you that someone who doesn't feel pain would be a nightmare opponent. What if he didn't feel fatigue either? A large part of beating someone is changing their mind about whether they can win. Fatigue and pain both do this. To show that effect would have been really something. Instead, it just showed Bane letting Batman punch him...did anyone really think that was cool? I might be wrong but that's a really cliche thing for the tough guy right?

The other thing is the strength issue. As a wrestling coach, I've witnessed retard strength. The kids just don't let go. That makes them freakishly strong. So if Bane didn't feel the pain or the fatigue, he's a monster. So Batman has to compensate for that. He has to adjust to the level of strength he's dealing with and that's a steep learning curve. They sort of touched on it with that line "Victory has defeated you." And it's good that Batman lost, because he should have. The first fight isn't bad, even though the catwalk part is soooo fake, but I wish more of this stuff was evident in the fighting.

But the second fight just suuuuuuucked. Batman should have had to find creative ways to cut the pipe. Basically they did their sloppy boxing and grunting and then batman hit the pipe. Then Bane should have felt the pain, which would have paralyzed him if he wasn't used to it. And even if he was, he should slow down, which they made him do. But where was the fear?? If someone winds up a punch and breaks your nose, the next time he winds up you get scared. Where was Bane's fear? And then think of how menacing Batman could've been made to appear then. Ahh I guess it's just a missed opportunity.

All i can say is: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate.. leads to suffering.
Yoda describes the final fight well enough. Watch the movie again. You can see bane's pain, and his fear for a few seconds, but he uses it and gets angry. Yoda rocks.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Do you really believe that Talia orchestrated the plane attach? I don't.

Do you really believe that Talia mapped out the hit on the stock exchange? I don't.

Do you think it's just a ruse when Bane says: "I am the League of Shadows"? I don't.


Did he care deeply about Talia? Yes. Was Talia an evil genius, avenging her fathers death? Of course. But how do those two facts imply in any easy that Bane was 'just a henchman'?

Bane was a tactical mastermind and he believed in the ideals of the LoS. They worked together... Once and for all.


I never said you were a liar. One can honestly believe something that is untrue. Honest people can repeat lies. It happens all the time.

What people get mixed up about Talia, is that she's NOT taking down Gotham for the LOS. She's doing it for revenge. She even outright states she could never forgive her father, until Bruce killed him. Talia is in it for personal reasons. Bane is in it to actually fulfill Ra's plan. He actually believes in the motives, and actions of the LOS. Where Talia, doesn't.

Bane is the leader of the LOS.

Talia uses the LOS for her personal vendetta.

 

[Racer]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Question for fellow collectors in the UK, if I order this dude from Sideshow will be the extra charges be a *****? just played around on a calculator thingy online and it reckons the extra charge from importing will only be around £6.80... that sound right?

 

[samwise_09]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Question for fellow collectors in the UK, if I order this dude from Sideshow will be the extra charges be a *****? just played around on a calculator thingy online and it reckons the extra charge from importing will only be around £6.80... that sound right?

nope hugely wrong will be around £40 if you go with fedex

 

[Frank]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

wasn't the point of my post but ok...

Only jokin around.

Do you really believe that Talia orchestrated the plane attach? I don't.

Do you really believe that Talia mapped out the hit on the stock exchange? I don't.

Do you think it's just a ruse when Bane says: "I am the League of Shadows"? I don't.


Did he care deeply about Talia? Yes. Was Talia an evil genius, avenging her fathers death? Of course. But how do those two facts imply in any easy that Bane was 'just a henchman'?

Bane was a tactical mastermind and he believed in the ideals of the LoS. They worked together... Once and for all.

Talia might have been better served if she came into the picture (another movie) after Bane was long gone. As it was, she did compete with Bane for mastermind status. I think she could have been written out of the entire movie without too many problems. The added badassery of Bane would have made it worthwhile.

As an amateur mma champion, I can tell you that someone who doesn't feel pain would be a nightmare opponent. What if he didn't feel fatigue either? A large part of beating someone is changing their mind about whether they can win. Fatigue and pain both do this. To show that effect would have been really something. Instead, it just showed Bane letting Batman punch him...did anyone really think that was cool? I might be wrong but that's a really cliche thing for the tough guy right?

The other thing is the strength issue. As a wrestling coach, I've witnessed retard strength. The kids just don't let go. That makes them freakishly strong. So if Bane didn't feel the pain or the fatigue, he's a monster. So Batman has to compensate for that. He has to adjust to the level of strength he's dealing with and that's a steep learning curve. They sort of touched on it with that line "Victory has defeated you." And it's good that Batman lost, because he should have. The first fight isn't bad, even though the catwalk part is soooo fake, but I wish more of this stuff was evident in the fighting.

There appears to be a inverse relationship between fine-motor control and raw strength. We never saw Bane's art skills, but I'm sure it would be somewhere on the 3rd grade level.

 

[Stealth V3teran]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Just bought mine from timcent £192, bit more than i wanted to pay, but me being Mr impatient lol i wanted this earlier. if i'd have gone with my UK seller i'd have been waiting another 3/4 months for the sake of £30. Now the wait bloody starts lol

 

[omegaglory1]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Bane monkey

 

[Racer]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

nope hugely wrong will be around £40 if you go with fedex

WTF that's INSANE! Thanks for the info!

Screw that, I can get this dude on eBay for cheaper!

 

[eczamurai]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Pics like this make me unsure wether or not to order it. I love how it looks here, but am afraid a better one will come out. And the pants really are not baggy enough, I didn't know the pic posted before was shopped.. <_<

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I was fleeced for 62 euro by Fedex on top of the full DX10 plus shipping from Sideshow. It killed any joy for the figure I might have had.