Hot Toys Avengers Speculation

[The Josh]

That sequence should be pretty badass.

 

[ryanbayliss]

Well, after Thor and Captain America movies are released, HT should have enough material for the likeness of the figures...

IMO, Thor's figure was awful because they released it BEFORE the movie.... You just have to see the hair and the poor sculpt it has, I think it's because they didn't have enough point of reference to make a good job (posters, some random pics of trailers, etc..)

Hopefully they will do an awesome job this time with Thor's head/hair.

I should imaging HT gets all the reference they need for these figures, WAY before the movies are released. Especially now that Marvel is part of Disney. Disney are, after all, the kings of merchandising. I highly doubt HT only uses the few images we have seen and the trailers as a point of reference. This is probably the same for all the toys companies linked with big movie franchises.

 

[dedguy]

I don't think the Mark VII looks and closer to the Mark III than the Mark IV or the Mark VI look to the Mark III. Not to mention that Saunders' conceptuals if he is the artists on this were taken and tweaked four times from Friday for the first film and even his War Machine was scrapped for the second and started over. If you look at the legs and arms there are obvious visuals mimicking the Mark VI and if you've been following the rumors then the reasoning for that is fairly simple.

Spoiler

According to rumors, when Thor returns to Earth he is confronted by Tony in the Mark VI suit. Iron Man engages Thor thinking he is the threat that is on-coming and throughout their battle his suit is damaged and so he needs to replace his parts to where we see a small armory (including the Hulkbuster but it won't ever be used) and the parts used to replace are what you see here.

Now that may not be exactly what we get on screen although the teaser would enforce some of that but at least it makes sense.

I disagree, the arms and legs mimic the Mark III far more than the Mark VI and Saunders final Mark III concepts are pretty damn close to what ended up on screen.

Just look at the shape of the leg and arms, ignore the coloring and details. The Mark IV and VI, especially in the legs, had a silhouette evokative of the human form. The legs on the Mark7 and the Mark III are much more linear and more evokative of an aircraft than human musculature. The arms, particularly the gauntlets have a much sleeker less muscular look to them.

I don't see what about the Mark7's legs and arms mimic the Mark6 at all. Even the coloring with the gold part before the elbow and above the "glove" mimics the Mark3.

I couldn't find an angle of the Mark VII that matched exactly, but I think gets across the general gist.

 

[The Josh]

Looks like the Mark VI to me more than the Mark III. Especially on the pic of the legs. The Mark VII will probably blend the Mark IV and the Mark VI but little of the Mark III.

 

[dedguy]

Explain to me why, other than just "it is". Because I don't see it at all. Just look at the lower leg. Below the knee the Mark7 is identical to the III and the VI's lower leg design is dramatically different. The shape is totally different and it's broken up into more panels.

 

[The Josh]

The upper part of the leg mimic the Mark VI almost to a T while the lower part looks like the Mark IV to me.

 

[dedguy]

That makes no sense as the lower part of the leg is identical on the VI and IV.

The upper leg totally lacks the panels on the inner thigh and outer thigh that are modeled after the human muscle groups of the leg.

I recall having similar discussions based on my assertions that War Machine was built over the Mark II just based on the design of WM.

 

[The Josh]

I don't know what to tell ya man. The thigh piece looks exactly the same to me for the front part. Yes, the outter part is a little different but its different from both the Mark III and Mark VI in the pics you're using. The area over the foot as grainy as the Mark VII pic is I'm pretty sure I see enough slits to more match the Mark VI.

 

[dedguy]

What about the arms then? You can't say the mk7 arms look more like the VI than the III.

 

[The Josh]

The part over the hand and forearms does resemble the Mark III in those pics.

 

[dedguy]

What I'm saying could even work with what you said in the spoiler tag. Because the Mark III isn't all that badly damaged and it's the closest thing to a functional suit he has, he quickly bashes together a new suit using the Mark III as a base chasis.

 

[The Josh]

Its not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[The Mike]

The hard part is that Iron Man's suit is heavily CGI'd. Which means they can just pick and choose whatever they want.

I mean for Iron Man 2 we had this:

So it's completely possible that the Mark VII just had bits and pieces that the animators chose with approval without any actual connection to the previous suits.

It's also completely possible that it goes along the spoiler and that Tony is just cycling suits but given that he still has the fully function Mark V base if he wanted and that we haven't seen the full Mark before this conceptual suit other than a shadowed shot we don't if it is the Mark VI.

It could be something that is different from Iron Man 2 and technically be the Mark VII and this Avengers suit in the poster is the Mark VIII. We really don't know.

 

[dedguy]

Saunders said the suit in the poster is the Mark7. That could change storywise but that's what it was designed. We do know for sure that it (the mk7) was designed by Phil Saunders, he states as much.

In regards to the comic con poster:

Illustrated by my good friends and colleagues Ryan Meinerding, Charlie Wen and Andy Park from their costume designs for the movie, it includes the first appearance of the Mk 7 Iron Man suit I designed for Avengers. Thanks, Ryan, for doing it better justice than I ever would!!

Looking forward to posting my own design sketches of the Mk 7 when the movie comes out. And watch out for this one in 2012, people. I don't usually make predictions on movies I've worked on, but if it's half as good as Joss Whedon's script we were working from, it's going to kick some serious ass!! And Joss is directing it himself, so how likely is it he'll screw that up? 2012 is going to be massive

It's not explicitly stated, but it's implied that all the Avengers costumes are all designed by different people. Which is cool, maintains a unique look for each character. I'm guessing all the Shield stuff would be designed by the same person/team to give them a uniform cohesive look.

 

[LipSmack]

all the suit designs are probably on his drives, i doubt he would pull the mk3 and just add onto it, he would probably just machine a whole new design which i would assume he'd build on his holgrahic design table

 

[dedguy]

Well… he pulled the Mark IV and just added to it.

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

I swear sometimes it seems like dedguy just argues for the sake of arguing lol

 

[Mister D]

I'm thinking if I worked in the Special FX field and came across this forum, I would intentionally change small details from scene to scene just to forment discord.

 

[dedguy]

I swear sometimes it seems like dedguy just argues for the sake of arguing lol

Really? I'm just into conceptual design and like discussing it, in particular the "conceptual" aspect of it. I love strong concept-based design and the Iron Man movies are full of it.

Like the aforementioned War Machine. I think it's so cool how the design incorporates shapes and silhouettes and even just straight lifts from the design Mark II. They could have easily just done a totally different unrelated design. Instead they incorporated the story of the suit in the context of the film into it's design.

Likewise with the Mark VI, it makes sense that it would be based on something he already had designed since his focus was more on the new Arc and he had to throw together something quickly due to the time constraints within the story.

Which is why I am digging on the Mark 7 design because it's fun to guess and pick apart why what design decisions where made. At least it is for me. What I love so much about all the work done by various insanely talented designers on the Iron Man movie suit designs, isn't just the look of them. It's the real extensive thought put into each detail of each design.

There's some cool stuff in this interview about the thinking that went into the Iron Man 2 designs.

https://thetechjournal.com/tech-news/design-secrets-of-iron-man-2.xhtml

In particular I like this bit about the design of the VI:

Meinerding: The Mark VI design is meant to be a bit sleeker than the Mark III. What Adi Granov and Phil Saunders did with the Mark III is so successful and was received so well, though, it became a struggle with how far to deviate from it. It was decided early on that we wouldn’t change the helmet and just try and find a way to make the rest of the suit feel a little bit more advanced. There was talk changing the RT to a triangle shape for the final suit design, and so I was trying to come up with a design that could work with both a triangle and a circle.

In the end, the major changes are in the shoulders and legs. The Mark III legs are very strong but also very linear… they do a great job making Iron Man look like he’s built for flying. In Iron Man 2, though, there was going to be a lot more fist fighting on the ground, and it felt like trying to get a bit more human gesture in the front view of the legs would help with posing. The aim for the shoulders was to reduce the bulk from the Mark III, but through the variations and revisions for the practical vs. digital suits, I don’t think they got a whole lot slimmer. The slightly hunched posture that is iconic to the Mark III is something we definitely didn’t want to lose, and so we ended up taking the shoulders back to that in the end.

 

[lerath666]

going back in the direction of a different avenger... am i the only one who feels that cap looks not as good in his avengers suit as he does in his original costume?
It may just be my predisposition towards disliking rubber suits, but meh.

PErhaps i'll like it more when i see it onscreen.