Hot Toys Avengers Speculation

[Gully Foyle]

That second poster may be fanmade . . . just not sure.

The spoilers are set pics. Can't get the embedding right.

Just copypasta in a new window . . .

 

[Mister D]

Cap = Superman.
Iron Man = Batman.

The Iron Man/Batman comparisons have been done to death. Now Superman is the perfect human, he has more humanity than anyone on Earth, a set of deep set morals and a farm boy charm. The irony play is that Superman is not human. That is part of the evolution of the mystique where he is more human than human. Cap is all of those things without the super powers.

Here is the thing, Kal-El doesn't have powers except when near Earth's yellow sun. Without it, he is still all of those things with no power. Steve Rogers is all of those things except without the Super Soldier Serum he had no power. Even Clark Kent who used to be portrayed as a puny bumbling human was what Steve was before the serum enhances him. At their root and before Sentry was added in, Captain America was Marvel's Superman. Remember back in the 1960s Lee and company wanted a more humanic group of superheroes, more real than DC which is why we have heroes with issues. Captain America is a Superman created by humanity's science and bringing him from the Golden Age into the Silver Age amongst their new heroes made him a man out of time, a man with an embedded set of problems.

I can't wait for the Avengers HT figures.

"Humanic"?

 

[Mister D]

I have this crazy theory about Iron Man in the Avengers. I'm probably wrong. I think that Stark is not Iron Man, at least early in the film. I think this because the suit pictured in promo artwork has a round chest RT. It's not inconceivable, but given how purpose-driven the suit designs are, I don't thing they would go back to a circle without reason. You also clearly see a triangular RT in some shots in the post-credits Captain American footage. Additionally at the end of IM2, Fury tells Stark they want Iron Man but not Stark in the Iron Man suit himself.

My belief in this theory is further bolstered the more I see the new Mark7 suit.

War Machine, if you knew where to look, was clearly build on top of the Mark II and even had parts of the Mark II still peaking out. This new Mark 7 really looks like it was either built on the Mark III chasis or at least based on the Mark III design. Saunders even appears to have re-used some of the design ideas for the "snap on" weapons kit for the Mark III which was never used in the final film. Most notably the larger silver weapons pods on the shoulders and the silver plates on the front of the thighs.

The simplest explanation is that Joss Whedon is an old school comics fan, and probably prefers the round unibeam over the various angular models.

 

[Mister D]

Is it just me... Or did Captain America seem to be the most underpowered superhero out of all the recent Marvel films? He seems to have nothing that would give him an advantage over someone like Thor (who actually seems overpowered lol). I'm surprised Thor doesn't wield both his hammer and Cap's shield lol

I'll bet almost anything that by the time the Avengers credits roll, you will have seen Cap pick up Thor's hammer.

 

[dedguy]

The simplest explanation is that Joss Whedon is an old school comics fan, and probably prefers the round unibeam over the various angular models.

Except that an armor with the triangular RT is also in Avengers footage. They have also yet to do any Iron Man armor design changes without some plot reason.

- Mark II, rebuild and improve on Mark I
- Mark III, solve icing problem
- Mark IV, replacement for damaged Mark III
- Mark V, specialized purpose
- Mark VI, to accomodate the new arc reactor

The look of the Mark VII also just has too many visual queues from the Mark III to be coincidence. Phil Saunders is a much better conceptual designer than that. If there's visual similarity between the Mark III and VII it's for a reason. Much like how War Machine shares many distinct details with the Mark II. My guess as to the reason may be off, but there's gotta be one imo.

 

[The Josh]

Well let's assume that HT is working on this now. Why? I have a feeling they'll want both Cap and Iron Man out in May when the film is out similar to what they did with Thor especially since the Iron Man tooling isn't that far off of what they've established other than coloring and chestplates and Cap will most likely be a costuming issue and HS to match the molded cowl. I think they'll go this route because they in theory might have a full team to be out for the film which means just from that poster a possible 7 figures. 2 for Q2, 2 for Q3 and probably 3 for Q4 with the Hulk coming in the later end of the year.

That means we'll see a Preview and Order in January of next year which means we'll get teases probably in December (if they follow the Thor idea) so we are only about 4 months give or take from seeing some HT Avenger product.

Agreed! We'll see something by the end of the year with a PO following shortly afterwards. No way they miss the chance to have some of these ready to go when the movie hits.

 

[jye4ever]

I miss my Hulk PF, HT making one can't happen fast enough for me.

I want it to be one huge green rubber body

Stupid Hurricane, GTFO out of NY, and from everywhere else for that matter!

i'm moving to the Bahamas.

 

[The Josh]

I'm very curious how they will do the Hulk. If it will be a full rubber body or sleeves like Whiplash.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm very curious how they will do the Hulk. If it will be a full rubber body or sleeves like Whiplash.

Maybe paper mache

 

[dedguy]

Hot Toys seems to have abandoned the rubber bodies, which I am very happy about. I'd expect the Hulk to be all ball jointed like the Avatar blue cat and the newest Preds.

 

[The Josh]

Maybe paper mache

Sweet!!

Hot Toys seems to have abandoned the rubber bodies, which I am very happy about. I'd expect the Hulk to be all ball jointed like the Avatar blue cat and the newest Preds.

Thats fine to be honest. Those figures look great and shouldn't have the issues some of the all rubber body figures have had.

 

[jye4ever]

Sweet!!



Thats fine to be honest. Those figures look great and shouldn't have the issues some of the all rubber body figures have had.

Yeah, i'm all for having no issues with the costs involved.

 

[The Josh]

Yup, withe cost that Hulk will cost lets keep it to something that will work and look good. No need to go crazy.

 

[ryanbayliss]

I'm betting Hulk will be similar to the Avatar figure when it comes to articulation. The cost also may be kept down because he will have 0 accessories and only 1 item of clothing (pants). So Hulk may not be as expensive as we first feared.

I'm thinking we'll see the first images of at least 2 of these before the new year. Probably Ironman and Captain America.

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

Hulk could have a sweet base of like crushed cement from him landing and some debris on it

 

[Kenmk1]

Well, after Thor and Captain America movies are released, HT should have enough material for the likeness of the figures...

IMO, Thor's figure was awful because they released it BEFORE the movie.... You just have to see the hair and the poor sculpt it has, I think it's because they didn't have enough point of reference to make a good job (posters, some random pics of trailers, etc..)

Hopefully they will do an awesome job this time with Thor's head/hair.

 

[dedguy]

I don't know. I re-watched Thor last night and HT seems to have captured the helmet hair he has throughout that movie pretty well. I mostly have issue with his costume, not the head.

 

[jye4ever]

Well, after Thor and Captain America movies are released, HT should have enough material for the likeness of the figures...

IMO, Thor's figure was awful because they released it BEFORE the movie.... You just have to see the hair and the poor sculpt it has, I think it's because they didn't have enough point of reference to make a good job (posters, some random pics of trailers, etc..)

Hopefully they will do an awesome job this time with Thor's head/hair.

Thor is fine. The likeness is dead on.

He's definately not the best HT Marvel figure but he's more than acceptable.

They definately got the helmet wrong and his pants are tissue thin and some have loose joints, that's about it.

Some, including me, complained about his arms.

There are shots from the movie where it looks just like the color scheme HT went with and others where it looks like shiny silver armor, especially when he's under the New Mexico sun.

I don't know. I re-watched Thor last night and HT seems to have captured the helmet hair he has throughout that movie pretty well. I mostly have issue with his costume, not the head.

 

[dedguy]

Yeah that's another thing I did notice, a lot of inconstancy in the post-processing they applied to the rubber armor all the peeps wear in the movie. Sometimes you get lots of specular highlights and it looks very highly metallic and others it looks like dull metallic colored rubber.

 

[The Mike]

The look of the Mark VII also just has too many visual queues from the Mark III to be coincidence.

I don't think the Mark VII looks and closer to the Mark III than the Mark IV or the Mark VI look to the Mark III. Not to mention that Saunders' conceptuals if he is the artists on this were taken and tweaked four times from Friday for the first film and even his War Machine was scrapped for the second and started over. If you look at the legs and arms there are obvious visuals mimicking the Mark VI and if you've been following the rumors then the reasoning for that is fairly simple.

Spoiler

According to rumors, when Thor returns to Earth he is confronted by Tony in the Mark VI suit. Iron Man engages Thor thinking he is the threat that is on-coming and throughout their battle his suit is damaged and so he needs to replace his parts to where we see a small armory (including the Hulkbuster but it won't ever be used) and the parts used to replace are what you see here.

Now that may not be exactly what we get on screen although the teaser would enforce some of that but at least it makes sense.