Re: HT Batman 1989 Coming
I loved the first Burton Batman film. It probably would have been better if he had stopped with one.
Batman Returns always felt (to me) more like a sketchbook of ideas than an actual film. I could deal with the more surreal and weird parts of the film if it weren't so goofy and campy as well. It borders on comedy. Most of all it lacks a clear plot thread. It's a bunch of detached ideas that never fully overlap.
I didn't like how cheap they made Batman's tech look. The Batmobile has a cardboard undercarriage you can punch through. The engineering blueprints are public domain. His armor is clearly shown to be rubber and worthless against the tiny needles on Catwoman's fingertips. Even his cowl can be easily town off.
The biggest sin of 'Returns' is it's hardly about Batman. He's just someone who's in the film.
well its a commonly and understandable critic heard from a lot of "Batman fans"
since Batman Returns isn't a real Batman film...so its understandable from a Batman point of view.
The first movie got me into films when I was like 8 years old (I saw it about 1 or 2 years after it hit the cinemas) and it was I think the first serious movie I saw.
So it made me into a film buff, and I think that is the reason I am more of a movie buff in general than a Batman fan, thus it could explain why I absolutely adored Batman Returns!!
You could see Tim Burton letting all brakes lose and letting his fantasy set free on this movie and Batman just happens to be the subject.
Its clear he didnt care much about the Batman universe, but since I was not a real Batman fan, I dont care, it was a tour de force from Burton and I enjoyed it a lot as a film fan
You could notice that Burton was somehow held back in the first one and that he enjoyed the freedom he was given in the sequel, only too bad the producers didn't take the shot with Burton to direct the 3rd movie.
Who know what kind of dark horror Batman movie we would have seen
He would have been Harvey Dent:
But I would suspect the Batman fans would't like a third Tim Burton directed move if they see what Burton had done in Returns.
I myself, as a film fan in general, would have loved the idea of a 3rd Batman movie from Burton, but we will never know what it would have been...
and IF we HAVE to make lists, I would make a list from a movie fan perspective since I am not a die hard batman fan
1. Batman '89 together with TDK
2. very closely followed by Returns
3. Begins
But it can alter depending on moods to be honest...sometimes I would prefer the Burton approach than again the Nolan approach.
For the Nolan universe i prefer TDK, but for the Burton movies I cant make up my mind
they both have flaws and at some points both films rock hard!
The Schumacher films aren't even worth mentioning, not even as a filmfan in general (although I can see Bat fans crediting Forever higher than Returns, but thats just lame imo, Returns is a way cooler movie
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In general I prefer the Burton movies slightly over the Nolan movies perhaps, but I think it has a lot to do with nostalgia and the fact that the Burton movies had atmosphere in overload proportions
