Hot Toys Batman V. Superman Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread

[Sevreed]

Regardless of the reviews I'll go see it this week, however, if it sucks then I won't be getting any of the figures.

 

[juanca33]

Seriously I've never felt so anxious and nervous for a movie. I wanted it to be liked by everybody like the higly praised avengers but like my friend says, you can never pleased the hype.

 

[Motuxmen]

Man of Steel didn't hit the 700 million mark. It made 668 million. That's a major distinction for Warner Brothers simply because the second Captain America movie made 714 million, and Guardians of the Galaxy, a film based on a property no one had heard of, made 775 million, and Iron Man 3 made 1.2 billion. The reintroduction of Superman was expected to do much better than it did compared to those Marvel movies. Man of Steel wasn't a disaster financially but it was a disappointment. Remember also that Amazing Spider-Man 2 made 709 million and that was considered such a disappointment by Sony that they rebooted the franchise.

I think it would have been better for DC's film universe, ironically, if Man of Steel had only made 400 million. That way they would have fired Zack Snyder and gone in a different direction. Henry Cavill is a fine Superman. The problem was Zack Snyder and he is going to be a problem going forward because his vision for these movies is simply out of step with what audiences want. How he managed to convince Warner Brothers that their DC movies should be so ultra grim and ploddingly serious that parents may not want to let little kids see them is just completely beyond me. That's a lot of money being left on the table. Superhero movies, with the rare (Deadpool) exception, should be four quadrant movies--they should appeal, ideally, to every segment of the audience, not just adult comic book readers who idolize Frank Miller.

I think if the Rotten Tomatoes percentage doesn't at least hit 60% (minimum for a "fresh" rating), the box office for this movie will take a hit. How significant a hit, we'll see, but it isn't helped by the fact that some geek sites are starting to review this movie too and they don't seem enthralled by it either. It isn't just the usual group of film critics that are saying this movie is a disappointment, it's people like us. I still think BvS will have a huge opening weekend, but it could be that repeat business will be a lot less than it could have been, and then we'll see what kind of legs it has in the weeks ahead.

You don't see why DC would want dark? Lol really? Let's look at just a few of their hit films from CB...89 batman. Dark. Batman returns dark. (The subsequent lighter batman films universally considered awful but batman and robin actually did very well at the BO ticket wise) then you have Nolans three batman films. Returns superman not so good at the BO. MOS did better and was dark. Do you see a pattern? Lol it's not just Snyder who wanted dark or would prefer it. The studio has its best success in that vein.

And just Becuase a movie does well, or not, at the box office doesn't mean it's good. Batman forever, adjusted for inflation, outsold batman returns at the BO. And home alone beat them both.

We already have had five campy bright superman films. And two of those ended up being a couple of the worst movies I've ever seen (superman 3 and 4). But just Becuase the new ones are different people act like they are destroying something. I don't get it.

 

[melkorjunior]

You don't see why DC would want dark? Lol really? Let's look at just a few of their hit films from CB...89 batman. Dark. Batman returns dark. (The subsequent lighter batman films universally considered awful but batman and robin actually did very well at the BO ticket wise) then you have Nolans three batman films. Returns superman not so good at the BO. MOS did better and was dark. Do you see a pattern? Lol it's not just Snyder who wanted dark or would prefer it. The studio has its best success in that vein.

Not every DC character is Batman nor should they all be forced to adopt his grim style.

 

[cillafcollector]

well, after came back from seeing the movie, gotta say that the movie kinda have a Watchmen vibe, regards, it do feels that Snyder is kinda pulling punch on some of the scene,
probably because of critics onMoS

 

[SilverStar17]

You don't see why DC would want dark? Lol really? Let's look at just a few of their hit films from CB...89 batman. Dark. Batman returns dark. (The subsequent lighter batman films universally considered awful but batman and robin actually did very well at the BO ticket wise) then you have Nolans three batman films. Returns superman not so good at the BO. MOS did better and was dark. Do you see a pattern? Lol it's not just Snyder who wanted dark or would prefer it. The studio has its best success in that vein.

And just Becuase a movie does well, or not, at the box office doesn't mean it's good. Batman forever, adjusted for inflation, outsold batman returns at the BO. And home alone beat them both.

We already have had five campy bright superman films. And two of those ended up being a couple of the worst movies I've ever seen (superman 3 and 4). But just Becuase the new ones are different people act like they are destroying something. I don't get it.

My sentiments also. Like I've stated before, we got SR in 2006 which was essentially a carbon copy of a Reeve film, and many criticized it because there was little action and it was too campy like a Reeve film, which is out of place for the times we live in today. Then we got MoS which had action in spades and was an entirely different interpretation of the character while still remaining true to the canon, then people complained about that too. So....what does one want?

Even with Reeve's films, it was a total different interpretation of the character from any previous rendition and it fit the times. We live in a completely different society today than 1978.

And even back then, people wouldn't have seen a man who can fly and carry jet liners and essentially just shrug and say, "Oh, ok. Cool!"

As I've also stated before, I'm not sure why Superman fans feel the need to "choose a side" so to speak. As if it's not possible to realize that each rendition is meant for a different time and that one can simply enjoy both. Let yourself be entertained instead of wanting to find something wrong with a film to give yourself something to complain about. You only end up ruining a movie for yourself when you do that.

Being that I enjoy several renditions of any particular character, it allows me to be able to acquire the figure of each rendition and enjoy them all.

 

[bunnyfreakz]

Not every DC character is Batman nor should they all be forced to adopt his grim style.

DC Trinity always serious. TBH movie is dark for a reason, the only downer for sure is Batman. Superman try figure out to fix thing when people murder each other. Wonder Woman there to save the day

 

[Motuxmen]

Not every DC character is Batman nor should they all be forced to adopt his grim style.

Never said they where all batman. But there have been 5 of those light superman movies. And 3/5 of them bombed. And it's not like it's way off the source material. There is a ton of comics that have superman very dark. And I don't think calling superman dark in mos is accurate. It's different. Just because he's not running around smiling while he beats people up doesn't mean it's dark. Over simplified I think. There's plenty of humor in mos. People just want to bash it. Look at all the comments here and other places slamming BvS by people who have NOT even watched it. You can't tell me that's Becuase it's dark. Lol

 

[BlueberryJerry]

Just saw the movie. It definitely had some flaws, but I liked it. I didn't like MOS, but Batman and Wonder Woman saved this movie for me. Looking forward to the solo Wonder Woman film and Justice League. (also Suicide Squad is my most anticipated movie of the year.)

 

[melkorjunior]

Never said they where all batman. But there have been 5 of those light superman movies. And 3/5 of them bombed. And it's not like it's way off the source material. There is a ton of comics that have superman very dark. And I don't think calling superman dark in mos is accurate. It's different. Just because he's not running around smiling while he beats people up doesn't mean it's dark. Over simplified I think. There's plenty of humor in mos. People just want to bash it. Look at all the comments here and other places slamming BvS by people who have NOT even watched it. You can't tell me that's Becuase it's dark. Lol

Just read some Zack Snyder quotes from an interview in the wall Street Journal defending his concept of Superman:

"I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman. I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

On Superman's upbringing:

“The kid grew up in Kansas, raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent, pretty solid salt of the earth people. Superman is the dream of a farmer from Kansas. Righting wrongs for a ghost. It’s sort of the Kansas morality, that black and white, unrealistic morality of fighting crime.”

He also goes on to defend the mindless destruction in Man of Steel by comparing it to Star Wars: The Force Awakens:

"I went, really? In ‘Star Wars [The Force Awakens]’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”

I'll just let Snyder's comments speak for themselves.

 

[Azrael23]

Just read some Zack Snyder quotes from an interview in the wall Street Journal defending his concept of Superman:

"I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman. I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

On Superman's upbringing:

“The kid grew up in Kansas, raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent, pretty solid salt of the earth people. Superman is the dream of a farmer from Kansas. Righting wrongs for a ghost. It’s sort of the Kansas morality, that black and white, unrealistic morality of fighting crime.”

He also goes on to defend the mindless destruction in Man of Steel by comparing it to Star Wars: The Force Awakens:

"I went, really? In ‘Star Wars [The Force Awakens]’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”

I'll just let Snyder's comments speak for themselves.

What are you exactly trying to prove by posting Snyder's comments? Because neither of these negate the things previously stated. Snyder has intentionally approached the DCEU in a less tongue and cheek angle than the MCU and that's perfectly fine. Its good to have another cinematic universe that's tonally different and DC isn't a stranger to dark adult oriented content. Granted not every character is as dark as Batman, however many of the prominent DC and Justice League characters (including Superman) has on many occasions dealt in darker themes throughout his history. Many of the most loudest critics with Snyder's approach are typically the ones that never even picked up a comic or a stagnant silver age sensibility.

 

[SilverStar17]

Never said they where all batman. But there have been 5 of those light superman movies. And 3/5 of them bombed. And it's not like it's way off the source material. There is a ton of comics that have superman very dark. And I don't think calling superman dark in mos is accurate. It's different. Just because he's not running around smiling while he beats people up doesn't mean it's dark. Over simplified I think. There's plenty of humor in mos. People just want to bash it. Look at all the comments here and other places slamming BvS by people who have NOT even watched it. You can't tell me that's Becuase it's dark. Lol

What are you exactly trying to prove by posting Snyder's comments? Because neither of these negate the things previously stated. Snyder has intentionally approached the DCEU in a less tongue and cheek angle than the MCU and that's perfectly fine. Its good to have another cinematic universe that's tonally different and DC isn't a stranger to dark adult oriented content. Granted not every character is as dark as Batman, however many of the prominent DC and Justice League characters (including Superman) has on many occasions dealt in darker themes throughout his history.

I still can't fathom as to why Superman fans feel the need to be divided. And the ones that seem to feel the urge to be divided are the ones that want to believe (which there is nothing wrong with) that Reeve is the only true Superman. I've seldom seen Superman fans say that the Reeve films were utter crap (not I and II at least) and that Cavill is the only Superman, only the other way around. If you're a true Superman fan, it's pretty much axiomatic you acknowledge that Superman and Superman II were classics and that Reeve was a great Superman, but it doesn't mean you have to reject any future interpretation of the character if it isn't EXACTLY like Reeve.

Most Reeve fans bash anyone who liked MoS and say that they are just trying to justify the actions in MoS by comparing it to similar actions in the Reeve films. If anything, I actually think it's the other way around: Most of the staunch Reeve fans simply bash MoS (and a lot of times grasp for straws in attempting to do so) to find a way to justify why the Superman they hold so dear to heart is the best Superman ever.

Nobody has to like nor dislike a certain movie. If you don't like it, that's fine. If you do, that's fine also. However, it doesn't mean that I or anyone else has to dislike it simply because you or any other person doesn't and that I need to choose what my favorite version is. When I go into a film, I go in expecting to be entertained; I don't go in wanting to find something wrong with it. If you want to ruin it for yourself, go right ahead. However, your opinions aren't going to ruin it for me.

 

[spindrift]

I still can't fathom as to why Superman fans feel the need to be divided. And the ones that seem to feel the urge to be divided are the ones that want to believe (which there is nothing wrong with) that Reeve is the only true Superman. I've seldom seen Superman fans say that the Reeve films were utter crap (not I and II at least) and that Cavill is the only Superman, only the other way around. If you're a true Superman fan, it's pretty much axiomatic you acknowledge that Superman and Superman II were classics and that Reeve was a great Superman, but it doesn't mean you have to reject any future interpretation of the character if it isn't EXACTLY like Reeve.

Most Reeve fans bash anyone who liked MoS and say that they are just trying to justify the actions in MoS by comparing it to similar actions in the Reeve films. If anything, I actually think it's the other way around: Most of the staunch Reeve fans simply bash MoS (and a lot of times grasp for straws in attempting to do so) to find a way to justify why the Superman they hold so dear to heart is the best Superman ever.

Nobody has to like nor dislike a certain movie. If you don't like it, that's fine. If you do, that's fine also. However, it doesn't mean that I or anyone else has to dislike it simply because you or any other person doesn't and that I need to choose what my favorite version is. When I go into a film, I go in expecting to be entertained; I don't go in wanting to find something wrong with it. If you want to ruin it for yourself, go right ahead. However, your opinions aren't going to ruin it for me.

Because some guys here "who shall remain nameless" love to go up to you and poke a finger at you and say "NAH NAH see I was right about this!!!!!!!"

Makes 'em feel important I guess

 

[SilverStar17]

Because some guys here "who shall remain nameless" love to go up to you and poke a finger at you and say "NAH NAH see I was right about this!!!!!!!"

Makes 'em feel important I guess

Ah, true. A lot of people do have the impression that their mere opinions are fact. Your opinion itself, isn't a fact. You use facts to substantiate your opinion.

 

[Stryker2011]

Looking forward to the solo Wonder Woman film and Justice League. (also Suicide Squad is my most anticipated movie of the year.)

I just hope the negative reviews, and possible lackluster financial returns, don't kill any chance for a WW or JL film. Anyone see the Red Sonja movie that was supposed to be made a few years ago? No... yeah, that's because the idiots that be in Hollywood decided to revamp Conan first as a test, and f&$?ed that movie up so bad with a horrible script, bad acting, unnecessary 3D effects, etc., that the movie bombed, and killed any chance of their being a Sonja film.

 

[ASTRO13ZOMBIE]

I just hope the negative reviews, and possible lackluster financial returns, don't kill any chance for a WW or JL film. Anyone see the Red Sonja movie that was supposed to be made a few years ago? No... yeah, that's because the idiots that be in Hollywood decided to revamp Conan first as a test, and f&$?ed that movie up so bad with a horrible script, bad acting, unnecessary 3D effects, etc., that the movie bombed, and killed any chance of their being a Sonja film.

The movie will do fine financially and that's all that matters to the studio.
WW is already well into filming. It's happening.

 

[Chuck72586]

Wonder Woman is either done filming, or close to done I believe. I think it's safe to assume we'll see that film. Also, JL is due to start filming next month, so I'm pretty sure it's a bit too late in the game to put the brakes on that. I guess there's a small chance they could if BvS under-performs really bad, but I'd be shocked if they did. They're pretty much committed at this point.

 

[JorjeCroft]

I watched movie today. I give 9 from 10. because I'm fan of Supes/Henry Cavill and this movie is more about Bats. WW is totally badass. it was emotional and beautiful !. can't stop talk about it. I love it.

 

[Ppk487]

I could care less about the reviews. I remember I stupidly waited till the Monday after MOS was released to see it leaving it to be spoiled for me before hand. I knew the reviews were bad and I went into it with low expectations only to walk out having loved it. I still think its a solid 8/10, not a masterpiece but I love'd it as a DC diehard. I pretty much expect the same from this. I just hope it makes $$$ so we can ensure the survival and continuation of a DC universe.

 

[SilverStar17]

I could care less about the reviews. I remember I stupidly waited till the Monday after MOS was released to see it leaving it to be spoiled for me before hand. I knew the reviews were bad and I went into it with low expectations only to walk out having loved it. I still think its a solid 8/10, not a masterpiece but I love'd it as a DC diehard. I pretty much expect the same from this. I just hope it makes $$$ so we can ensure the survival and continuation of a DC universe.

Yeah, I was really looking forward to MoS, even before it broke ground, so I was a little bummed and concerned the week it came out and I was hearing nothing but poor reviews of it. I went with my cousin who assured me not to pay attention to what the critics say, and that all that matters is what I think.

I've probably seen it more than 10 times now, fully understood what was intended and what was going on, and I'll probably give it a solid 8.5/10. For me personally, definitely one of the best recent CBM I've seen.

In fact, my cousin is the one who ended up not really liking it after seeing it the first time, but after having seen it a few more times, actually changed his opinion and thinks it's well done in part to me helping understand what the intent is and what is going on.