1/6 Hot Toys - BvS: Dawn of Justice - Batman

[Yorick]

I do have a question about the figure that might have been lost. Do you like the current body now even though it's a bit slimmer than the movie or do you want to see it get beefed up a little more? I was thinking I wanted it to bulk up a bit more but now I'm starting to like the slightly trimmer look.

I don't have a problem with the current body, cause I don't expect that degree of perfection. That said, it certainly could be bulked up a bit more.

In the end, I'm ok with it as it is, but I would be glad if improved.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

He already looks less bulky in footage we have seen so far for Suicide Squad, which is a good thing in my opinion. He looked a little too bulky in BvS.

 

[Remy]

If you want to look it like that, then there really is no way to prove that a film is good or bad. I could say that TDK is terrible and Batman and Robin is brilliant and there would be nothing prove otherwise.

I know why you're getting confused. You're thinking, so quite simply...there is no good or bad movie if everything is subjective.
The difference is if the opinion is unanimous...where there are more people, than the lesser, whose opinion sway towards good or bad.
Batman and Robin is an example. More people can say, the movie was just too cheesy.
Its still not a fact, cause believe it or not, there's a lot of people that did enjoy that movie.
But most people can talk about how horrible that movie is.

The thing with this movie is that you dont really have a unanimous view where there are simply more people that feel the movie is good/bad.
Its pretty much split.
Its ok to discuss if you didnt like the movie. But the problem here is you have the same people regurgitating the same things over and over and trying to pass their opinion as fact.
Its almost like...well, I didnt enjoy the movie so I'm gonna convince people that its not a good movie.
that's when it gets annoying cause you may not like the movie, but there's a lot of people that do.

 

[spindrift]

I know why you're getting confused. You're thinking, so quite simply...there is no good or bad movie if everything is subjective.
The difference is if the opinion is unanimous...where there are more people, than the lesser, whose opinion sway towards good or bad.
Batman and Robin is an example. More people can say, the movie was just too cheesy.
Its still not a fact, cause believe it or not, there's a lot of people that did enjoy that movie.
But most people can talk about how horrible that movie is.

The thing with this movie is that you dont really have a unanimous view where there are simply more people that feel the movie is good/bad.
Its pretty much split.
Its ok to discuss if you didnt like the movie. But the problem here is you have the same people regurgitating the same things over and over and trying to pass their opinion as fact.
Its almost like...well, I didnt enjoy the movie so I'm gonna convince people that its not a good movie.
that's when it gets annoying cause you may not like the movie, but there's a lot of people that do.

 

[spindrift]

Seriously, people... if you don't like something, fine. But do you really have to harp on it in multiple threads? That's just... bizarre, imho. When I dislike something I have no interest in even entering its threads, much less carrying on the same arguments in multiple places. But others apparently feel differently, and there's no respite from negativity these days.

Ah, The Internet. I think I've finally outgrown it.

Agreed! as soon as someone posts something they like about it, one of the "experts with great taste" put the statement down or say "it's just a bad movie". How brilliant.....

 

[SilverStar17]

I know why you're getting confused. You're thinking, so quite simply...there is no good or bad movie if everything is subjective.
The difference is if the opinion is unanimous...where there are more people, than the lesser, whose opinion sway towards good or bad.
Batman and Robin is an example. More people can say, the movie was just too cheesy.
Its still not a fact, cause believe it or not, there's a lot of people that did enjoy that movie.
But most people can talk about how horrible that movie is.

The thing with this movie is that you dont really have a unanimous view where there are simply more people that feel the movie is good/bad.
Its pretty much split.
Its ok to discuss if you didnt like the movie. But the problem here is you have the same people regurgitating the same things over and over and trying to pass their opinion as fact.
Its almost like...well, I didnt enjoy the movie so I'm gonna convince people that its not a good movie.
that's when it gets annoying cause you may not like the movie, but there's a lot of people that do.

In several threads might I add, as another poster mentioned earlier. Which I concur that I find a bit odd, especially if you don't like something. I wouldn't see the need nor feel the urge to go in several threads vehemently expressing my disdain for something and telling others that they are blindly liking something that is horrible.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I'm not trying to press my personal opinion on anyone, nor have I visited different threads with the intention of spouting mindless abuse.

And a movie isn't technically good because a lot of people like it. A lot of people like lots of bad films, that doesn't make them good.

 

[SilverStar17]

I'm not trying to press my personal opinion on anyone, nor have I visited different threads with the intention of spouting mindless abuse.

And a movie isn't technically good because a lot of people like it. A lot of people like lots of bad films, that doesn't make them good.

That goes back to my question to you yesterday though that you never answered, in what the end all be all, final say is in who or what determines that a film is good or bad in the first place?

I get what you're trying to say in that you're under the impression that there has to be some sort of hard line of demarcation that makes the "official" decision in what makes a movie good or bad because if it's all subjective and left to the opinion of the viewer, then you feel it's an insult to the art of film making because there is sometimes more effort put into making a certain film than there is others. And I feel that may be where the confusion is here.

But that still doesn't answer the question of what you feel is the final, end all be all determining factor that makes the final decision on what makes a movie good or bad in the first place.

 

[epitaph04]

So a lot of people can like a bad movie, and a lot of people can hate a good movie...is that correct? The semantics wars continue...

 

[dario2739]

If you want to look it like that, then there really is no way to prove that a film is good or bad. I could say that TDK is terrible and Batman and Robin is brilliant and there would be nothing prove otherwise.

Say whatever you want fella, but doesn't change anything... you didn't like BvS, that's your opinion nothing more.
Some people will love Batman & Robin. Take another film - Titanic... I hated that movie, and still do. I thought DiCaprio was awful and miscast, but that's my opinion. A lot of people loved it on the other hand and it made a fortune.

Maybe you did. But there were still bits that were skimmed over too fast and others that were lingered on for too long

I'd love to know which bits you mean.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Ok let's bring this back to the figure itself.

Is there anyone here planning on making dioramas for this figure?

I've got a really cool one that will take some time to do. Can't give any details just yet...but it's gonna look DOPE....DOPE I TELLS YA!

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Of course there isn't one simple factor that makes a film bad or good. It's a combination of many things.



Haha yeah, it's purely my opinion that makes this film bad.

Titanic was a well made film. Leo played the part pretty well, it's maybe his most iconic role to date. You're allowed to dislike it, but it's not a bad film.

The paralysed Wayne Enterprises employee subplot went on for far too long. In fact, you could say the same for virtually all of the subplots included in the film. The apocalypse Knightmare could have been about five seconds long and still had the necessary impact. Batman's armoured suit would have benefitted from a better explanation, or any explanation at all for that matter.

The film as a whole was unbalanced, there was next to nothing in the first hour and a half and then all action was squeezed into the last hour. It wasn't exactly cohesive.

 

[jedijim3002]

Of course there isn't one simple factor that makes a film bad or good. It's a combination of many things.



Haha yeah, it's purely my opinion that makes this film bad.

Titanic was a well made film. Leo played the part pretty well, it's maybe his most iconic role to date. You're allowed to dislike it, but it's not a bad film.

The paralysed Wayne Enterprises employee subplot went on for far too long. In fact, you could say the same for virtually all of the subplots included in the film. The apocalypse Knightmare could have been about five seconds long and still had the necessary impact. Batman's armoured suit would have benefitted from a better explanation, or any explanation at all for that matter.

The film as a whole was unbalanced, there was next to nothing in the first hour and a half and then all action was squeezed into the last hour. It wasn't exactly cohesive.

I can agree with that. But that doesn't make it a bad film. There are plenty of bad films but it only comes down to is it bad in my opinion?

In my opinion, a bad film is something that I'd never want to watch again. This is not one of those films. I can't wait to see it again. If I had time I would be going to see it again right now but I worked for 36 hours straight and I'm exhausted.

Was it perfect? No
We're there parts I didn't like? Yes
Do I think it should have been recast? Maybe. Redirected? Maybe. Rewritten? Maybe.
Did I enjoy it? Yes

And really that's all anyone cares about. Did you enjoy the movie? Was it entertaining?

I've met people who loved movies I hated.
Watchmen
District 9
Wanted
Battleship
To name a few.
I've found equal number of people who love and hate the ones I hate and in my opinion they are bad movies. I never want to watch them again. I wish I had my money and time back wasted seeing them.

I'm not a fan of the bats costume so I won't be getting the bats figure but the new superman is very tempting. Of course I will be getting Wonder Woman because let's face it this is the first time we've had a chance to own a kick *** ww.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Of course there isn't one simple factor that makes a film bad or good. It's a combination of many things.



Haha yeah, it's purely my opinion that makes this film bad.

Titanic was a well made film. Leo played the part pretty well, it's maybe his most iconic role to date. You're allowed to dislike it, but it's not a bad film.

The paralysed Wayne Enterprises employee subplot went on for far too long. In fact, you could say the same for virtually all of the subplots included in the film. The apocalypse Knightmare could have been about five seconds long and still had the necessary impact. Batman's armoured suit would have benefitted from a better explanation, or any explanation at all for that matter.

The film as a whole was unbalanced, there was next to nothing in the first hour and a half and then all action was squeezed into the last hour. It wasn't exactly cohesive.

You keep posting the same **** in two different threads lol.. we get it, you didn't like the movie. Jeez.

Some marvel fan boys on these boards aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be reasoned or negotiated with. They just want to see the dc universe burn. ..

you my friend, with the ironman avatar, are obviously one of those people.

 

[dario2739]

Of course there isn't one simple factor that makes a film bad or good. It's a combination of many things.



Haha yeah, it's purely my opinion that makes this film bad.

Titanic was a well made film. Leo played the part pretty well, it's maybe his most iconic role to date. You're allowed to dislike it, but it's not a bad film.

The paralysed Wayne Enterprises employee subplot went on for far too long. In fact, you could say the same for virtually all of the subplots included in the film. The apocalypse Knightmare could have been about five seconds long and still had the necessary impact. Batman's armoured suit would have benefitted from a better explanation, or any explanation at all for that matter.

The film as a whole was unbalanced, there was next to nothing in the first hour and a half and then all action was squeezed into the last hour. It wasn't exactly cohesive.

Wally Keefe being paralysed didn't seem to drag on to me, and was integral in Lex sewing more distrust in Superman, and Superman to doubt himself.
The Apocalypse knightmare - don't agree with you on that either. People complain about it being confusing now, imagine if they only got 5 seconds of it? Also that is necessary to set up the threat of Superman going bad that Flash comes back to confirm.
Finally - why does Batman's suit need explaining? That statement I find a little strange, and seems like reaching for anything to beat the movie with to be honest... Batman, a hero with the biggest rogues gallery in all of comics... that include guys like Bane, Croc... hell even Solomon Grundy... a hero who's known for gadgets like the Batmobile, Batwing, Batboat etc... the guy has gadgets for most situations, and the movie showed that Alfred was continually working on stuff! It's just nitpicking and a fne example of DC getting pulled apart where Marvel gets off! Funny nobody says "why isn't it explained how Tony Stark can afford to build all those suits" or "They need to explain how Cap can call his shield back to him".
As for unbalanced... don't agree there either. Seen the film 3 times now and the film never drags at all for me. I like the first hour in all honesty there's lots going on. I especially liked that you saw Bruce being detective - moreso than previous movies, and it also showed Clark being a reporter, again moreso than any previous movies... even the Donner movies, where you never actually see Clark do anything but spill coffee or be clumsy in general around the office. Also it's a pretty standard device for the movie to scene set for a big finale.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Wally Keefe being paralysed didn't seem to drag on to me, and was integral in Lex sewing more distrust in Superman, and Superman to doubt himself.
The Apocalypse knightmare - don't agree with you on that either. People complain about it being confusing now, imagine if they only got 5 seconds of it? Also that is necessary to set up the threat of Superman going bad that Flash comes back to confirm.
Finally - why does Batman's suit need explaining? That statement I find a little strange, and seems like reaching for anything to beat the movie with to be honest... Batman, a hero with the biggest rogues gallery in all of comics... that include guys like Bane, Croc... hell even Solomon Grundy... a hero who's known for gadgets like the Batmobile, Batwing, Batboat etc... the guy has gadgets for most situations, and the movie showed that Alfred was continually working on stuff! It's just nitpicking and a fne example of DC getting pulled apart where Marvel gets off! Funny nobody says "why isn't it explained how Tony Stark can afford to build all those suits" or "They need to explain how Cap can call his shield back to him".
As for unbalanced... don't agree there either. Seen the film 3 times now and the film never drags at all for me. I like the first hour in all honesty there's lots going on. I especially liked that you saw Bruce being detective - moreso than previous movies, and it also showed Clark being a reporter, again moreso than any previous movies... even the Donner movies, where you never actually see Clark do anything but spill coffee or be clumsy in general around the office. Also it's a pretty standard device for the movie to scene set for a big finale.

Here is one you didn't list..

Thor caused all the damage in new York during the avengers. Loki only wanted to rule earth because he knew thor cared about the people. He could have got the stone and left, which was his real mission. He wanted to hurt thor by killing the people of the planet he cared about. All the avengers did was clean up the mess thor caused.

 

[SilverStar17]

Some marvel fan boys on these boards aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be reasoned or negotiated with. They just want to see the dc universe burn. ..

Of course there isn't one simple factor that makes a film bad or good. It's a combination of many

Please feel free to list them. That's what I've diplomatically asked you now three times.

If it's not the opinion of each individual viewer and how it personally affected them that determines whether or not a film is good or bad to them, then what do you feel makes the official and final declaration that the viewers need to go by?

 

[thedarkknight]

I thought this thread was about discussion of a Hot Toys Figure.

Please keep the debate about the movie in the appropriate parts of the forum. It is getting very annoying.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I thought this thread was about discussion of a Hot Toys Figure.

Please keep the debate about the movie in the appropriate parts of the forum. It is getting very annoying.

So your one of those people eh?? Not much to talk about with the figure... no new pictures and it hasn't released... I guess you prefer this thread falls to page 4..

 

[SilverStar17]

So your one of those people eh?? Not much to talk about with the figure... no new pictures and it hasn't released... I guess you prefer this thread falls to page 4..

Ah, I would actually agree with him.

What I noticed what usually happens though in several threads on here is the respective figure for that thread is being discussed, someone references a particular scene, then people who disliked the film feel the need to disparage that scene and state it was poorly written, executed, etc. Which is fine if they think that, but the issue is that most of them pass their opinions off as fact and then the conversation devolves into an argument about opinion vs. fact. And they keep regurgitating the same things over and over and over again in many of the threads in this section.